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Talizvar...a suggestion on the wing missiles. Do the mini however you want so that it looks cool. Use extra missiles and create a missile type stand on the base where you can put the missile there with a magnet. The missile on the base will indicate the missile type the VF is using. That way you can re-purpose the VF's as needed. It's something a few have been doing and posting pics of on the FB page.

Could you post a pic here on dakka for those of us not members of the Robotech Super Adventure Club on facebook?

 Mike1975 wrote:
Talizvar...a suggestion on the wing missiles. Do the mini however you want so that it looks cool. Use extra missiles and create a missile type stand on the base where you can put the missile there with a magnet. The missile on the base will indicate the missile type the VF is using. That way you can re-purpose the VF's as needed. It's something a few have been doing and posting pics of on the FB page.

But it is not on the model! (I am damaged goods forever because of 40k gaming).
This is like harkening back to the day of them being like cardboard chits for wargame maps (the horror!).
It will break the illusion of realism.
<sigh> Forget it, the bloody "swoosh"(tm) flying stand does that well enough.

The lazy side of me REALLY likes this and they look better without the darn things glued on, never mind the gaming flexibility.
I would strongly recommend this method for the beginner modeler: lining these up so they look good is hard work.
This could be a cool opportunity to model them looking like they were just launched, you know: to preserve the needed "realism".

I may continue with gluing the load-out on the wings out of pure stubbornness to then later-on tear them off in a fit of rage...
Thanks Mike.

You could model the missiles on a wire and swap them out that way - as if they've just been fired.

Give them a smoke trail and you could even hide most of the wire by making it go back to the Veritech instead of into the ground.

Here's a few pics and some goodies


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Many plan on painting the missiles for MLOPs and Bombs and Heavy different colors to distinguish them

@Talizvar - the Battloid with the bent leg can be posed "running".

Also, At $50 for the base game at CSI, that is roughly equal to the KS discount. It is a *very* fair price, if you want the stuff in the box.

Too bad that sale is over and it's back up to $75.

Get creative with the standard pose....

Looks almost like a Darth Vader head being kicked around!

 Talizvar wrote:
So would a legitimate fear be that soon what we received we would have paid more than what we could buy with the various "sales"?
I know the wave 2 items throw a proper comparison out the window but still...

Depends, Battlecry was still like 99% off retail or whatever insane number it was.
Even though I just bought a ton of boxes of destroids I still paid more than the costs in my Battlecry pledge. (Unless you did destroid add-ons that were $20 per box during the KS, in which case you paid like 50 cents more per mode, but only through the CSI sale... at normal 25% off, KS backers still got a better deal)


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 Talizvar wrote:
The real damage done to this whole thing in order to get ANY kind of market is the models are not suitable for an amateur model builder.

People keep saying this but I keep seeing the opposite, including first time model builders and painters posting on the Robotech facebook group with their models (and the community offering tips and tricks).


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Asterios wrote:
Actually right now Forar, the individual components for the system are cheaper then they cost thru the KS, the base game thru CSI $50, the base game thru KS $80, add on packs about $20 thru KS, thru CSI $16-18. only when you get into the BC and above does the value favor the backer, but only if we see wave 2 and with the lack of any info from PB regarding wave 2, there is no guarantee of that, sine we see PB has a track record of lying to their backers.

Shock and surprise, unfortunately the time-limited holiday sale was indeed time-limited and CSI is back to 25% off.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
@Talizvar - the Battloid with the bent leg can be posed "running".

Understood, just modifying stances so I can get at least part of the second foot on the base. The 90 degree bent leg looks strange and I see breaking the figure rather easily like this.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Get creative with the standard pose....

Ha! Veritech kicking a 40k space marine head around, I am sure there is a bit of symbolism somewhere in there...


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 judgedoug wrote:
People keep saying this but I keep seeing the opposite, including first time model builders and painters posting on the Robotech facebook group with their models (and the community offering tips and tricks).

I am glad the new people are finding sufficient support.
Finding sufficient motivation, anyone can do anything.
I guess I should clarify that the models could discourage the "casual player", but in this case, I would be happy to be wrong.

@Tal -

My "running" Battloid is very stable - the styrene and base materials glue up very well with Testors orange.

Also, I'm not at all worried that CSI had a deep discount sale (which is now over).

I do believe that these models require a fair amount of traditional plastic modeling skills. And sprue cutters / clippers.

Hey ladies and gents,

I've asked for Robotech to be added to Dakka's Player Finder, and was asked to provide evidence of usage. If anyone else would be interested to also have it added to the Player Finder, can you voice your support for it on my thread in Nuts & Bolts here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/622411.page

Thanks!

Sprue clippers are basically a requirement for these things.

I brazenly did my Shadows of Brimstone figures with nothing but a blade, and it both took longer and probably stressed more pieces than was necessary. It worked out fine and I enjoy the models (though I can see why die-hard minis folks might not be super thrilled about them), but trying that with these tiny things would've led to a LOT of damaged or outright broken pieces.

As it is, clipping, and trimming/filing, even to my minimal expectations, takes plenty long enough as it is. Trying to support such tiny pieces without ruining them would've been a giant pain in the ass.

I haven't put them to work yet, but I've got some small clamps from a local hardware store. Hopefully those will speed up assembly (not needing to hold and apply pressure to so many parts) and minimize some of the gaps (my first Battloid has a leg that's apparently open for maintenance while in combat. In that I gave up after trying to get it to set 'sealed' while working on it).

There is no need for clamps if you are using "hot" glue (e.g. Testor's orange). Just put a thin layer on the entire surface, wait a few seconds to let it soften the plastic, and then finger pressure will be enough to get a nice bond.

The models build up part by part. Build halves, then assemble from the feet up. Easy and clean.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The models build up part by part. Build halves, then assemble from the feet up. Easy and clean.

I would suggest with the destroids to build from the calves, match the feet, then do as you suggest.
I have found the curved large "toe clippers" work nice to get a close cut on curved surfaces or tight spots..
Inexpensive and cuts flush.

Anything with MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) will weld nicely with no gaps.
Some trimming of the "squeeze-out" may be needed however.

 judgedoug wrote:
Hey ladies and gents,

I've asked for Robotech to be added to Dakka's Player Finder, and was asked to provide evidence of usage. If anyone else would be interested to also have it added to the Player Finder, can you voice your support for it on my thread in Nuts & Bolts here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/622411.page

Thanks!

Heh, dakka made a funny

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
There is no need for clamps if you are using "hot" glue (e.g. Testor's orange).

It's what I've used to date, and has served me pretty well so far.

 Forar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
There is no need for clamps if you are using "hot" glue (e.g. Testor's orange).

It's what I've used to date, and has served me pretty well so far.

Gah!
Dude! Superglue bonds the surfaces, the other model glue actual "welds" the plastics (the two parts melt into each other).
It all works great short-term but tend to fall apart later, usually when you got around to painting them.
Just someone who has been down this road and cares enough to not wish it on others...

US Military stopped using MEK for a reason

Yeah. They have to cater to a 3rd grade education and stupid people do stupid things.

I say this as an ex-Army supply guy.

 Jihadin wrote:
US Military stopped using MEK for a reason

Perhaps they realized that using 1" tall toy soldiers with 20+ parts wasn't effective? I blame North Korea.

 warboss wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
US Military stopped using MEK for a reason

Perhaps they realized that using 1" tall toy soldiers with 20+ parts wasn't effective? I blame North Korea.

Liver damage

 Jihadin wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
US Military stopped using MEK for a reason

Perhaps they realized that using 1" tall toy soldiers with 20+ parts wasn't effective? I blame North Korea.

Liver damage

Yes, MEK is a VERY nasty solvent.
I had to clean a vacuum chamber (enclosed space) in a full bunny suit with my own air: this stuff is not nice.
I ventilate well when using the stuff, which we should be doing with any of the glues.
The super glues can permanently damage your cornea if you get any of it in the eye, many items of our hobby have some fun health risks, we just need to take appropriate care.
Our paints we sometimes choose to spray: anything with cadmium is also nasty for the lungs which GW has still refused to tell me if any of their paints have it.

Well, looks like the latest Update (the PB Weekly, not the KS Update*) doesn't even mention RRT, other than a few letters from the fanbase praising Kevin and Company.

And that might not be a big issue, except December 11th they were still working on sending the Australian orders. So two weeks later, no news that that's been resolved, meaning the 6-8 week clock on shipping (plus whatever the Aus distributor tacks on the end) appears to have yet to start.

* I think they've abandoned the KS Updates. Them forcibly (and in some places, illegally) signing people up to their newsletter is apparently an acceptable alternative.

Palladium, like the honey badger, doesn't care. In any case, I hope everyone who celebrates has a happy and joyous Christmas unlike Minmei!

Going to hazard a guess on them bumping into the International Business aspect. Customs, trade rights, etc etc etc. Taxes and Fee's to.

 Jihadin wrote:
Going to hazard a guess on them bumping into the International Business aspect. Customs, trade rights, etc etc etc. Taxes and Fee's to.

Oh, no doubt. It's too bad there wasn't a decent period of time earlier this year, when they knew all the relevant details (individual package weights and sizes, quantities ordered, etc) when those kind of details could have been hammered out. Like say, July through September (excluding two weeks for GenCon). And it's not like they couldn't have gotten relatively preliminary stuff done in the six months before that.

Sure, this stuff isn't quickly done. But it doesn't take more than a couple of hours of quotes and negotiation over a couple of weeks. Or at least it shouldn't. But it's Palladium. Where making the difficult seem easy is part of their gaming product, but making the easy seem difficult is apparently their company motto. The amount of straight up self-inflicted damage they've done to the product, and the brand, is outright astonishing.

Morgan Vening wrote:
December 11th they were still working on sending the Australian orders. So two weeks later, no news that that's been resolved, meaning the 6-8 week clock on shipping (plus whatever the Aus distributor tacks on the end) appears to have yet to start.

This isn't surprising - it's completely expected with international shipping, customs, taxes, fees, ForEx, etc.

On some other KS there's a retrospective on how things went, with a comment about how it would have been cheaper to set the international rewards on fire than to ship them. Funny stuff, and part of the reason why I don't back KS out of country.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
part of the reason why I don't back KS out of country.

Really? That's the direction you want to take this?

Because the vast majority of big KS's seem to be US based, so this basically comes across as 'feth you, got mine, woooo USA!', and surely that's not the intended message you wish to convey...

I'd also like to point out that PB has lauded the fact that they have been in business for over a third of a century. This isn't some company that just got on its feet. Unless the entire continent of Australia has written off their product lines, they knew that it would be expensive, time consuming and probably complicated, and yet still don't even seem to remotely have an answer.

If they didn't want to deal with the complexities of international delivery, they shouldn't have sold internationally. But international backer money spends just as well as anyone else's, and yet many of them get treated like second class citizens.

Want the funds, do the homework, and it's not AUS/NZ backers' fault that PB dropped the ball.