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 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Soul Samurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Protoculture.

Joyboozer wrote:

Soul Samurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Protoculture.

And hundreds of little rubber caps to hold the joints together.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.

I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straightforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.

Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.

Here's a pic of some of my completed models, including a Gerwalk I assembled tonight.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/676316-Robotech%20minis.html?m=2

I think they will look just fine on the tabletop.


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Soul Samurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Yes, these were kits with lots and lots of parts:


The wings swing. The tailfins fold up. The arms and legs move. The thrusters open and close. The missiles and landing gear plug in. The head guns swivel. Very posable model.

Not for the faint of heart.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Soul Samurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Yes, these were kits with lots and lots of parts:


The wings swing. The tailfins fold up. The arms and legs move. The thrusters open and close. The missiles and landing gear plug in. The head guns swivel. Very posable model.

Not for the faint of heart.

Damn, I'm sorely tempted to try to get my hands on one of those now...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.

I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straightforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.

Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.

Here's a pic of some of my completed models, including a Gerwalk I assembled tonight.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/676316-Robotech%20minis.html?m=2

I think they will look just fine on the tabletop.


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Soul Samurai wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.

Do you mean that there were actual model kits (not pre-assembled and painted toys) that would transform between modes? That sounds very interesting, how did they work? Magnets, some kind of pre-assembled ball joints?

Yes, these were kits with lots and lots of parts:


The wings swing. The tailfins fold up. The arms and legs move. The thrusters open and close. The missiles and landing gear plug in. The head guns swivel. Very posable model.

Not for the faint of heart.

They do look good when competently assembled, can you keep posting pics as you go for those of us who haven't received theirs yet?
How were you planning on painting the whoosh stands?

It is somehow fitting that this thread has now been totally overtaken by conversation about full size model kits.

you would think with all the pieces they made these "models" not minis, but models, they would have made it so you could angle the wings however you want.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
See, this tjhread does a great job of confirming everything negative I've been thinking about the RRT backers. Good job, team.

And with that, I'm out. Hope you can enjoy your toys. I know I'll enjoy mine.

by the way John thought you left this topic?

Asterios wrote:
you would think with all the pieces they made these "models" not minis, but models, they would have made it so you could angle the wings however you want.

Looking at the models that lack of options is the only real indictment I can see. Part count is high, sure, but it's not unheard of at this size. Even the fiddliness of the bits isn't unprecedented (says the person who had to spend too much time this weekend finding a fingernail-clipping-sized 15mm Sherman hatch on the carpet).

The seemingly limited options allowed by the kits is the only thing that really sticks out to me as a negative of the models themselves (separate from the overall handling of the KS). However, that could simply be that the early adopters are building them in more "default" poses to start with. Has anyone given a go at something more ambitious? I'd be curious to see how different you can get some of the models just out of posing and assembly and without cutting or doing major green stuff work. The comparison I'm thinking of is how Yonan took Dreamforge's Eisenkern and made a DreadBall player out of the parts provided (which it should be noted included the accessory kit) without having to do much, if any, tool work. Viewable at: http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/562482-Eisenkern%20Dreadball%20test%20conversion%20side.html

Not looking for a direct analog, but could you slap together parts creatively like that to make something markedly different from the "standard" or will it take a great deal more extra doing to make that happen?

The parts count itself never bothered me. It is the unecessary splitting of parts (like the legs and arms) that bothers me about these kits.

That reminds me of my realization that one out of every 2 Battloids needed to be jumping or sliding or kicking or stepping up or something because of that stupid 90 degree knee.

Or I need to learn to cut and greenstuff like a pro.

But I hadn't anticipated "multiple poses" meaning "I sure hope you like this angled knee thing, 'cause you're going to be using it a lot."

I mean, I'm not a huge fan of how the Battlepod legs worked out either, but I'd somehow assumed the 90 degree leg would be an option, not a requirement.

VT's already being the most work intensive figure to field, this certainly isn't helping my waning enthusiasm for building a pile of them. Got 27, had planned on building 15, and now I'm kind of thinking I might trim that back to 9 or fewer.

Yes, granted, I *could* just leave unbuilt sprues laying around somewhere until I get around to them. I have friends who have unbuilt Warhammer stuff that's been sitting in boxes for years, but I'm trying to not be like that, especially living in an apartment.

And yes, I'm aware that having a building/painting backlog is a path to immortality.

On the up side, people have finally started buying figures, so at least I have an outlet for some of the extra sprues.

 Forar wrote:
On the up side, people have finally started buying figures, so at least I have an outlet for some of the extra sprues.

I just stopped looking at eBay the prices are just continuously dropping and it seems the base game and the BC pledges are just not selling now, it is sad and at this rate doubt we will see any other series.

Could just mean that the interest in buying bulk amounts has fallen off. And after shipping I doubt many ebay sellers can compete with CSI's $100 free shipping (within the US), so core set sales dropping off isn't surprising either.

I'm breaking even on Battle Cry's with just wave one, so I'm ahead of the game on that end. The wider market has a lot of options I can't be bothered tracking day to day.

As for other series; eh. We'll see. Even if it happens, it could be 1-2+ years away, so no point worrying over something that's long term even if it does happen, unlikely as that might be.

 Forar wrote:
Could just mean that the interest in buying bulk amounts has fallen off. And after shipping I doubt many ebay sellers can compete with CSI's $100 free shipping (within the US), so core set sales dropping off isn't surprising either.

I'm breaking even on Battle Cry's with just wave one, so I'm ahead of the game on that end. The wider market has a lot of options I can't be bothered tracking day to day.

As for other series; eh. We'll see. Even if it happens, it could be 1-2+ years away, so no point worrying over something that's long term even if it does happen, unlikely as that might be.

speaking of CSI I just picked up 4 games of the sedition wars put out by CMoN for under $90 shipped (bought $10 + dollars of other stuff to get free Shipping) which I guess had a bad rep like the RRT game but at less then .50 a mini that's a good deal, and from what I heard the minis were good, it was the game mechanics that sucked, so we'll see when they arrive.

The bases for Sedition Wars are awesome, the minis are not bad. But for that cheap - yeah, why not. I've got 3 boxes I'm going to use for IG and Chaos stuff eventually.

Soul Samurai wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Yes, these were kits with lots and lots of parts:


The wings swing. The tailfins fold up. The arms and legs move. The thrusters open and close. The missiles and landing gear plug in. The head guns swivel. Very posable model.

Not for the faint of heart.

Damn, I'm sorely tempted to try to get my hands on one of those now...

Bandai has a really nice line of 1/72 high grade transformable Valkyries.
http://www.amazon.com/Macross-VALKYRIE-Focker-Variable-Fighter/dp/B00DGN8AFK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420566953&sr=8-1&keywords=bandai+1%2F72+variable+valkyrie
overview of kit: http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/2013/vf1as_valkyrie

Hehe, I am sure we can all slap down our mad X-odd years of modeling skilz like we got a pair.

I do not doubt judgedoug took-on a few strange model kits that wanted some forming done, it kinda creates that "challenge accepted" moment.
I think mine was the original garbage X-wing kit where the fuselage was warped and a large F-14 Tomcat kit where it was modeled with landing gear out and I was insistent it had to be in.

I do not find the models "difficult" other than the Glaug chin-gun clipping out, I think I got it licked by cutting the sprue up above it (thank goodness near the edge of the sprue) perpendicular to it first, to isolate it, so when I clip next to it = no downward stress is applied.

Any model is "easy" given enough time.
I can file, green stuff and create with polystyrene bits as needed and make a fine looking model.

But I want to play a game, a big one, to make a playable model under 2" tall and make about 30 or 40 of them (assuming both factions so 15 to 20 per side) at about 30 minutes per model is about 15 to 20 hours of just assembly work assuming no messing around. I am not talking about painting and decals.

Oh, I am looking forward to doing this justice but I am also making sure these are assembled in a way to ensure survival when played with. I agree the plastic is quite hard and durable, fits I think are quite good.

The complaint is the detail vs number of parts and actions taken to clean-up seams and injection points (nice link to really sharp X-acto blades JD! I expect to bleed more shortly) seems it could have been avoided. Have you seen the number of connections on the Veritech arms? Really? I use some fancy toenail clippers that happen to be curved and cut flush so they save on those unwanted features. That glue JD recommends I have, yes, brute force does close the gaps well, I would agree. The brush is a wee bit big, the Tamiya green cap and white cap glues appear to work as well and have a little more control.

I can still remember being a beginner with models, this kit would suck, plain and simple.
Forar, please have a go, see what you think, I am truly interested of impressions.
I think the Zen. battle pods will be okay, destroids ok, veritech: each form has some challenge, jet is rudders but not bad, guardian and bot is arms holding gun together.

JohnHwangDD I think there is a misunderstanding of "easy" vs. "expedient assembly". A single larger sized model or a small version is not a big deal, it is getting a nice looking horde of them in reasonable time that is the true frustration. Try timing your assembly. I will have another go when I can drag myself away from Wasteland 2.

<edit>BTW: My favorite model to put together that was Robotech(ish), first time I spent over $100 on a model at that time:
http://gbmshop.blogspot.ca/2011/08/vf-2sapf.html

The sucker was pose-able and had more add-on stuff than you can shake a stick at.
No-one needs to ask what happened to my younger brother when he used it for pellet gun practice right?

 judgedoug wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Yes, these were kits with lots and lots of parts:


The wings swing. The tailfins fold up. The arms and legs move. The thrusters open and close. The missiles and landing gear plug in. The head guns swivel. Very posable model.

Not for the faint of heart.

Bandai has a really nice line of 1/72 high grade transformable Valkyries.
http://www.amazon.com/Macross-VALKYRIE-Focker-Variable-Fighter/dp/B00DGN8AFK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420566953&sr=8-1&keywords=bandai+1%2F72+variable+valkyrie
overview of kit: http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/2013/vf1as_valkyrie

If I am buying larger Macross kits, at this point, I'm saving for the good ones by Yamato!

or maybe a YF-21 / VF-22S...


It's not like I haven't spent that much on a single toy before...

Talizvar - I think you hit it right there.
These aren't really model kits (but could be used that way), so the unnecessary splitting of parts adding to build time is an issue for me (not having them in hand is irrelevant - but thanks for the reminder JohnHwangDD - just love being an unloved foreign type).

1/72 tanks are fun, but I'm not going to build 30+, unless they are the quick build ones. So the wrong comparison with gaming pieces.

 Forar wrote:
VT's already being the most work intensive figure to field, this certainly isn't helping my waning enthusiasm for building a pile of them. Got 27, had planned on building 15, and now I'm kind of thinking I might trim that back to 9 or fewer.

Even if you are slow, if you build 1 model each night while you watch TV, you will be done in a month or two as your little collection grows. Seriously. Just plug away, and you will be done soon enough.

In my case, I split a pledge for a mixed grab bag of models, tacking on a MAC-II, so I have much fewer models to deal with. I plan to have all of my Wave 1 models assembled before it is warm enough to prime them outside, and I am well over halfway through the pile.
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 Talizvar wrote:
I want to play a game, a big one, to make a playable model under 2" tall and make about 30 or 40 of them (assuming both factions so 15 to 20 per side) at about 30 minutes per model is about 15 to 20 hours of just assembly work assuming no messing around. I am not talking about painting and decals.

Oh, I am looking forward to doing this justice but I am also making sure these are assembled in a way to ensure survival when played with. I agree the plastic is quite hard and durable, fits I think are quite good.

The complaint is the detail vs number of parts and actions taken to clean-up seams and injection points seems it could have been avoided. Have you seen the number of connections on the Veritech arms? Really? I use some fancy toenail clippers that happen to be curved and cut flush so they save on those unwanted features.

That glue JD recommends I have, yes, brute force does close the gaps well, I would agree. The brush is a wee bit big, the Tamiya green cap and white cap glues appear to work as well and have a little more control.

I can still remember being a beginner with models, this kit would suck, plain and simple.

I think the Zen. battle pods will be okay, destroids ok, veritech: each form has some challenge, jet is rudders but not bad, guardian and bot is arms holding gun together.

JohnHwangDD I think there is a misunderstanding of "easy" vs. "expedient assembly". A single larger sized model or a small version is not a big deal, it is getting a nice looking horde of them in reasonable time that is the true frustration. Try timing your assembly. I will have another go when I can drag myself away from Wasteland 2.

<edit>BTW: My favorite model to put together that was Robotech(ish), first time I spent over $100 on a model at that time:
http://gbmshop.blogspot.ca/2011/08/vf-2sapf.html

The sucker was pose-able and had more add-on stuff than you can shake a stick at.
No-one needs to ask what happened to my younger brother when he used it for pellet gun practice right?

Experience matters when working a kit like this, because RRT doesn't include kiddie-build part-by-part instructions.

30-40 models is a month's work, tops; if motivated, you could probably knock them out over a couple weekends. The Kickstarter problem is that you're buying in bulk, all at once, so it looks like a hugely impossible task compared to buying small boxes and finishing them one-by-one.

In building them, yes, the injection points are more than I would have liked, and not as well-placed as modern Bandai or GW. I use a micro file to clean mine - it's fast and good enough for tabletop. Experience helps to know how to best cut a part from a sprue without breaking it.

Glue-wise, I'm still using the same orange Testors tube that I did 30 years ago; the difference is that I know how much glue I need, how long it should set, and how to manipulate the part to get a decent fit. I still don't trust the brush cement - it doesn't seem to glue up as strong.

In building the Gerwalk, I learned that the arms need to be the first bits you attach to the fuselage, especially if you're doing the 2-hand gun grip. But now that I figured that out, future Gerwalks will be easy. I was surprised that there weren't any locators for the wing missiles.

A newbie builder would be challenged, and they should Google & YouTube to search for buildup videos / tutorials and start with the Battle Pods before working up to Destroids, then Veritechs. The arms are a small challenge, as there are many parts to keep together. IMO, they could have reduced the arm pairs for an extra leg to solve the bent leg pose problem. Oh, well.

I find the builds to be a little time-consuming, but not really difficult. The parts are fairly obvious, if you know what the model is supposed to look like. I haven't timed the builds, as I have a number of distractions at home. I'm pretty sure any individual model can be knocked out in an hour, depending on how careful one wants to be. I'll see if I can build something with the clock running after the house quiets down.

By definition, a horde of models is going to take a while. How long would it take to build a DV starter box's worth of GW models, working from the multi-pose kits, I wonder?

Also, that kit is beautiful. I banned my younger sibling from entering my room after one of my models got destroyed by rough handling.

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 02Laney wrote:
Talizvar - I think you hit it right there.
These aren't really model kits (but could be used that way), so the unnecessary splitting of parts adding to build time is an issue for me (not having them in hand is irrelevant - but thanks for the reminder JohnHwangDD - just love being an unloved foreign type).

1/72 tanks are fun, but I'm not going to build 30+, unless they are the quick build ones. So the wrong comparison with gaming pieces.

What? No Flames of War?

Once I get through RRT (and Malifaux), I'll be starting into building my Flames stuff while I continue to whittle away at the 40k and other stuff in the Closet of Shame.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

If I am buying larger Macross kits, at this point, I'm saving for the good ones by Yamato!

It's not like I haven't spent that much on a single toy before...

Couple of points...
Firstly: that VF-1 is Yamato's first release - they are terrible. Avoid any 1/60 Yamato ver 1 Valkyries. You have to remove and replace parts in order to get them to transform. The ver 1 toys came in the big blister packs. The ver 2 kits came in nice boxes. The ver 2 have perfect transformation - no need to remove parts. Much higher quality components, too. However, all the 1/48 Yamato toy Valkyries are good (they all have perfect transformation)
Secondly: Yamato is now out of business and the prices have skyrocketed for the 1/48 and 1/60 ver 2 toys.
Thirdly: Arcadia bought Yamato's molds and are re-releasing them. In fact, the armored VF-1J 1/60 based on the ver 2 molds are coming in May! http://www.hlj.com/product/ACA82119/Sci

I have a 1/60 VF-1S Strike Fokker (DYRL) and a 1/48 VF-1J Hikaru and 1/48 GBP armor for it and they are the two awesomest toys I own.

overview of the sadly now out of print Yamato one that I have: http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/2008/vf1s_superstrike_valkyrie_do_you_remember_love

Ohh... thanks for the pointers!

On a positive note, I "get to" restore one of these:



Should be fun. Should I make the barrels actual barrels instead of just stickers? Definitely going to rebuild all the joints to be more poseable instead of flopping around.

edit: And yes, remove the transformer hands and the millenium falcon guns that 12 year old me thought were cool.

This thread needs more kickstarter unrelated gunpla.

Having finally broken down and looked up what "gashapon" and "gunpla" are, some statements in this thread make a lot more sense.

And thanks Talizvar. I've got 6 pods and 2 VT's (all 3 modes) built. I'm aware it's not an insurmountable issue, the problem here is a mix of "oh feth me clipping, trimming and building this gak takes time" and "why am I building these things if my friends aren't?".

Across my friends and I we bought 8 Battle Cry boxes.

Now, we're in the far frozen wastes of Canada, so we only got them about 3-4 weeks ago, but to date I think we've got a total of maybe 18 figures built between us.

Between "spending a couple of hours building 3-6 figures" and "spending a couple of hours playing Shadows of Brimstone, or catching up on shows/movies/games" (and not doing so peripherally while focusing on pieces small enough to be inhaled if not treated with care), RRT isn't winning out.

Look, we had this discussion months ago during "Spartangate"; even if we accept that 'scrub noobs who wouldn't know what end of the clippers to use' are the ones who are going to have problems with these things, that's still a pretty sizable portion of Robotech and/or Palladium's fan base.

I started with Malifaux. Sure, the Guild Riflemen box was cut into some kind of obnoxious pieces, but I built a box of 3 and that's all I'd likely ever use in a crew, and as a skirmish game I rarely fielded more than 5-10 pieces anyway. A single VT or Battlepod squad has more figures to it than any Malifaux crew.

And before someone points out 'omg this is a war game', they said in their earliest statements that the game would scale up and down. But that brings us to the skirmish version being 'pick a support or special card or two, lol'.

How about, instead of portraying some folks who are frustrated with the system/figures as the whiniest whiny crybabies who ever cried, folks take a step back and recognize that not everyone has 30 years of building things an inch or two tall out of dozens of pieces. That expressions of critique aren't indications of hated, malevolence or spite. I am perfectly happy to critique things I love to pieces. A culture of lacking criticism is a perfect environment for lacking improvement.

And if I wanted that, I'd go to the PB forums more.

... but I won't because I don't hate myself that much.

Edit: I'm sure some of those folks are tired of hearing from me (hell, I bet a bunch of y'all are too), but dealing with some of the "nothing is wrong, everything is awesome!" folks in a variety of places is killing my interest. And that's on me, but it is what it is.

Maybe I just need to get rid of as much as I can and come back to this in a year when (maybe) we've got some Errata/FAQ support and my friends have gotten around to building anything (or not, and then having gotten rid of my remaining sprues does me no harm).

Forar you totally just nailed a point that I hadn't even brushed on.

Currently in my off time the world of warcraft expansion is totally winning out every night that I look over at the ginormous box of sprues sitting over at my painting table.

I am an experienced modeler who has already put together and nearly finished painting 1 whole squad of these guys. The motivation to keep building keeps getting beat out by other things right now.

Hell there is a 40k tournament this weekend that may have me dusting off my eldar before putting more of these together.

Yeah, having come from playing 40k and just finished off a Imperial Guard horde with over 150 grunts put to together and some odd 8 tanks in addition, it was getting my dander up about skills possibly not being up to the task or just being a crybaby (note, standard guard of similar size of RRT models is ~7 parts).

It is just the impatient gnashing of teeth where I want to get at least 2 to 3 cards done of each faction.

That means at say 2 cards of Valkyries (24 models) and some battleroids (4 to maybe 6? with an add-on card?) = Total some 30-odd models.

For Zentradi, 2 cards of a battle-group = 18 battlepods, 2 Glaug, possibly artillery group of pods = 6 total = Total some 26-odd models.
I suspect I will need more to have an even points match-up (really need to make a list to be sure).

I got a wee bit sidetracked since I assembled every single unique model so I knew how all of them would be to do.
Is the above "list" about what everyone else is shooting for?

Grand total is 56 models as a target for an OK game so some 28 hours of assembly.
Yep, plug away at it, understood.
At least X-mas and new years is out of the way.

Got to go with this approach of building both armies since the ONE box of the game at my local FLGS is still unsold, the store owner is looking at it rather questioningly...

So, I feel this little tiny time constraint of needing to demo this game or it will die like a dog in my area but I WILL NOT lower my standards of assembly and painting so I feel rather doomed. THIS is the source of frustration. Less parts, less clean-up and fixing = faster assembly, why has it switched for me that I like painting more than assembly? Strange stuff.

Well, guess pictures will be the next step or "it never happened".

 Forar wrote:
dealing with some of the "nothing is wrong, everything is awesome!" folks in a variety of places is killing my interest.

I think the minis are 80-90% right. Not perfect, but definitely not bad. I think they look good, and build up about as well as one might expect for a 2" figure with the associated detail.

Based on my RIFTS experience, I do not much care for Palladium rules. I haven't played the game, and don't intend to unless requested. RRT is a Macross models Kickstarter for me, not a board game.

No flames of war for me... but if I did it would quick build all the way!

@JohnhwangDD... I suppose your Dark Vengeance example is perfect. 30 minutes from the box, clip, clip and play - beautiful (albeit monopose) models done (just got to paint them). A multipose equivalent is actually pretty quick if you want it to be - or takes ages due to extensive converting/kitbashing etc. The point being I have a choice. The boxed game should be relatively quick... not a month of hard graft.

Edit: Forar, talizvar and co. have said it all far more eloquently already.

Built so far.....
24 Battle Pods
4 Light Artillery Pod
2 ECM Battle Pods
2 Glaug Officer Pod
2 Recovery whatever Pod

10 Valk Fighters
12 Battleiods
10 Guardians

4 Spartans
4 Tomahawks
4 Defenders
4 Phalanx

One battle involving all of them. Knife fight in a phone booth