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With regards to Mike's example of people not wanting to come here, I'm sure we've had people in this thread express the same of his facebook group.

And to be honest his group can't take criticism very well. There was a guy who posted several Robotech Fans against Harmony Gold links on the page and he got lambasted for being so negative and how people were sick of his negativity and how this had nothing to do with RRT. Meanwhile random deviantart or kickstarters that certain people have an interest in? Perfectly ok to post and no complaints.


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Plus this whole handling of PB with kid's glove is utter bs imo. Seriously, if they don't have the mental maturity to run a business then maybe they shouldn't be running one

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
$1 donation for their next KS anyone? At least to say "get out while you can!" in the backer comments?

I'm pretty sure some long-time RIFTS players gave warning the first go, but nobody listened because 100 minis for $100.

And because Robotech/Macross. And because TOTES NOT PALLADIUM!!! NINJA DIVISION, FOR REALS!!!

By the time we were told otherwise, the chargeback time for my credit card was already way over. Had it not been, I probably wouldn't be here, right now.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

Funny. You could say the same thing about the palladium forums, in terms of having driven the haters away.

So define larger.

2 people? 5? 35000?

 Mike1975 wrote:

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

If I never need to provide a perfect example of irony, I now know exactly where to point them.

 Mike1975 wrote:
If it was not for me the Long Range Missile upgrade would still be 8 missiles. So I readily admit they don't listen to all I say, sometimes they can be made to listen. Small changes can alter the course.

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

You had developed a relationship directly with PB from the beginning, not many of us have had the opportunity.
I can say you worked for it and umm.. not sure if "earned it" is quite the words but they will have to do!
When able to have a direct dialogue it is easier to tailor the message (because you get direct feedback!).
Glad you had some impact on our "Itano Circus".

"PB is evil" seems an oversimplification of even the most negative of comments at least in this forum I can attest.

About chasing away those who do not agree with us, I tend to see our fine MODs do that to people who get into personal attacks, I can attest the PB forums tend to ban for hearing things they do not like in general like criticism which tends to limit discussion.

I hear many comments of "love for what they do", I am sure a few in the PB company are hard-core and passionate in what they do.
The top man however, who makes almost all the decisions will not even follow his own rules when game mastering an RPG as he has happily pointed out, he likes to "wing-it".(some write-up I had read by him after a convention... yes, do not have link handy so use salt...).

I have tried to appeal to him in the most logical way I can: to appeal to his greed.
How to get fans to happily hand over money and not be an inconvenience: plan ahead, be efficient, inform as incremental goals are met and get the smart people to handle the complicated stuff and whip them mercilessly if they do not perform as was discussed.
If he can only address the timeline creep many other "evils" could be forgiven or at least overlooked.
A "reach goal" would then be for them to put out what we want rather than what they think we want: big difference.

Now comments such as these are not all that bad right?
Not spreading lies or anything?
Not anything they want to hear I know, but they have this last opportunity to show turning over a new leaf before they try to hit that KS button again.

I just want all my darn models, all other details at this point are rather irrelevant.

Remember, though, at what was the second or third chance offered, there were the "Ten Questions" that were agreed upon and forwarded through a Trusted Fan-Friend. And I'm certain said Fan-Friend phrased them in such a way as to not get his relationship status downgraded.

What was the result of that, again? Deflection, blame shifting, and "we'll get back to you on that" crap. Same as before and after.

My point being, Mike's way of 'gentle kisses instead of confrontation' was tried. And it was given the finger.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

you want to talk persecution? how about people who are getting banned from the palladium forums for speaking the truth, you claim persecution all you want, but if you speak the truth on the palladium forums you will be banned, and I just got banned permanently from the forums for telling NMI he can't handle the truth.

maybe its those people who you claim to persecuted are not being persecuted, maybe they just can't handle the truth? they see their rockstar god being shown off in his true light and they can't handle the revelation.

Sining wrote:
With regards to Mike's example of people not wanting to come here, I'm sure we've had people in this thread express the same of his facebook group.

And to be honest his group can't take criticism very well. There was a guy who posted several Robotech Fans against Harmony Gold links on the page and he got lambasted for being so negative and how people were sick of his negativity and how this had nothing to do with RRT. Meanwhile random deviantart or kickstarters that certain people have an interest in? Perfectly ok to post and no complaints.


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Plus this whole handling of PB with kid's glove is utter bs imo. Seriously, if they don't have the mental maturity to run a business then maybe they shouldn't be running one

the way Mike says PB should be handled is how we are in this mess to begin with, hate to say it but PB needs a shock to the system or it will be going belly up, also sining you notice how Mike's group is a closed group so people can't post or even read posts in his group unless their a member, that does not speak of a group being open and honest now does it?

Merijeek wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

If I never need to provide a perfect example of irony, I now know exactly where to point them.

You've obviously never read bad syntaxs' rage fit after he got a c&d for selling his 3d robotech mechs on shapeways. It involved calling people who disagreed with him Isis and how he was so ashamed of his fellow robotech fans

His "come at me, bro!" stance on IP law is... it's something else.

Asterios wrote:
people who are getting banned from the palladium forums for speaking the truth, you claim persecution all you want, but if you speak the truth on the palladium forums you will be banned, and I just got banned permanently from the forums for telling NMI he can't handle the truth.

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"




Tho I am curious, what did you expect as the result over there?

Palladium suddenly seeing the light and making a radical change in the way they do things? To suddenly become a big fuzzy huggin' bear?




Does Palladium take criticism better than Prodos?

Sining wrote:
You've obviously never read bad syntaxs' rage fit after he got a c&d for selling his 3d robotech mechs on shapeways. It involved calling people who disagreed with him Isis and how he was so ashamed of his fellow robotech fans

To be fair, his mood swings would give Jorel a run for his money.

If someone could paste his meltdown it would be hilarious.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Does Palladium take criticism better than Prodos?

Well, at least one person seems to think that if you spend enough time politely on your knees, they will at least deign to listen to what you have to say.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Asterios wrote:
people who are getting banned from the palladium forums for speaking the truth, you claim persecution all you want, but if you speak the truth on the palladium forums you will be banned, and I just got banned permanently from the forums for telling NMI he can't handle the truth.

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"




Tho I am curious, what did you expect as the result over there?

Palladium suddenly seeing the light and making a radical change in the way they do things? To suddenly become a big fuzzy huggin' bear?




Does Palladium take criticism better than Prodos?

funny thing John that's the same scene I used to tell NMI he couldn't handle the truth, then he perma banned me. no I don't expect PB to change, but because they have surrounded themselves with yes men, they will never change and that's thanks to the yes men.

Great minds think alike!

But yeah, if NMI simply confirmed what you expected, then it's probably for the best. The whole IDGAF thing is very freeing, no? And now that you're no longer dealing with them, there's less stress in your life, because you're no longer talking to people who don't listen, right?

IMO, expecting change is something that pretty much always fails. The only change comes from within, whereby someone really wants to actually change, as opposed to the appearance of change or the idea of change. If you've ever tried changing your spouse, well, you know how that goes... And she's officially, legally invested in you. Not like some random dude on the Internet.

At this point, I am just hoping PB manages to get Wave 2 out in some semblance of matching Wave 1. That's all.

 Forar wrote:
His "come at me, bro!" stance on IP law is... it's something else.

Bad Syntax's posturing is pretty funny, in a lot of ways it's pretty close to how Chapterhouse was acting before they ended up in court. He started ranting about how the C&D wasn't real, then when he found out it was in fact issued by HG he switched to saying it wasn't issued legally and that he can pick and choose which laws he will follow based on if they make sense to him or not. Despite receiving a C&D he still intends to challenge them by releasing and distributing the files, all the while posting about it in a venue that is monitored by employees of both HG & PB, his logic is flawless.

I've never seen anyone so intent on getting his own butt sued. Derp.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
IMO, expecting change is something that pretty much always fails. The only change comes from within, whereby someone really wants to actually change, as opposed to the appearance of change or the idea of change. <snip>...At this point, I am just hoping PB manages to get Wave 2 out in some semblance of matching Wave 1. That's all.

I typically find getting quick and prompt change only happens when you hit someone in the pocketbook / wallet.

KS is a bit contrary to that when they already have your money and they misinformed you long enough you cannot get it back.

I think this is why there is a heightened willingness to complain: hoping to discourage others from throwing money at a company that is misbehaving with consumers.
The problem is PB will most likely not equate lower than expected income due to prior customer dissatisfaction (much like what GW has demonstrated).

I remember pre-ordering a book from Chapters once.
I was shocked to find the book I ordered on the shelf at the physical store.
When inquired, I found out they were finishing up delivering to their stores and the then the pre-orders would ship out.
Had an interesting discussion with their rep. of what is the benefit to the consumer if not at the very least to get the book first?
None?
Scary to say PB has managed to do better than this.
Wow, found something a little more positive to say.

So Wang: get your Wave2 Gencon 2016 thereabouts?
<edit> Too many bits to pick: John, or Wang or DD... keeps it from being repetitive anyway.

@Tard, we'll see.

Merijeek wrote:

Sining wrote:
You've obviously never read bad syntaxs' rage fit after he got a c&d for selling his 3d robotech mechs on shapeways. It involved calling people who disagreed with him Isis and how he was so ashamed of his fellow robotech fans

To be fair, his mood swings would give Jorel a run for his money.

If someone could paste his meltdown it would be hilarious.

There's like 200+ comments in that one thread alone iirc. People can just join Mike's group to see the whole thread, which is really quite funny. Especially when he starts ranting about how he's the only one in the group smart enough to 'rebuild the internet from scratch'. That's a direct quote. Yeah...

Sining wrote:
There's like 200+ comments in that one thread alone iirc. People can just join Mike's group to see the whole thread, which is really quite funny. Especially when he starts ranting about how he's the only one in the group smart enough to 'rebuild the internet from scratch'. That's a direct quote. Yeah...

Doesn't every internet meltdown eventually reach that point? In much the same way that every internet tough guy is an active duty Navy SEAL, almost all of them are also Master Hackers with double major in Hacking and Ninjitsu.

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know there is now another RRT facebook page that is not moderated by Mike and Peter. It may not be for everyone but it won't be an echo chamber of fanboys as anything goes

https://m.facebook.com/groups/772684339447170?ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_admin&actorid=100000219574372

Sining wrote:With regards to Mike's example of people not wanting to come here, I'm sure we've had people in this thread express the same of his facebook group.
And to be honest his group can't take criticism very well.

evilsmurf wrote:Funny. You could say the same thing about the palladium forums, in terms of having driven the haters away.

Not as a way of being negative to those folks trying to make actual open and welcoming communities on FB, but it puzzles me that with it being so easy to create a free web forum so many should still choose to try and get folks to join/rejoin FB.
Especially given as I understand it how many countries or company firewalls block FB, G+, dA, or whatever but not most forum venues.

There is also the not inconsiderable factor of how many of the vocal percentage types on/offline seem to actively dislike anything having to do with social media like Facebook, Skype, etc etc etc.
If I might venture an opinion I would go the web forum route to avoid further dividing what community remains/exists, I realize it's more work to set up but in the long run I wonder if it wouldn't work out for the better if the game actually does take off.

Merijeek wrote:What was the result of that, again? Deflection, blame shifting, and "we'll get back to you on that" crap. Same as before and after.
My point being, Mike's way of 'gentle kisses instead of confrontation' was tried. And it was given the finger.

Merijeek wrote:Well, at least one person seems to think that if you spend enough time politely on your knees, they will at least deign to listen to what you have to say.

100% agree - If humble disclosure, well-intentioned contribution, reasoned critique, hostile criticism, or outright "hating" didn't change anything at all for the better, somehow base appeasement and obsequious subordination is going to work? Right.....

Which is kind of the problem with a lot of argument, having to make the assumption the other party is rational and open to having a debate, discussion, or dialogue on the subject(s).

But more often than not the kind of folks you end up at loggerheads with over stuff such as this can't possibly change their mind about anything no matter how great the direct anecdotal evidence and demonstrable fact you might present along with your objective/subjective ideas.
Simply because what they believe is already fixed and determined in their mind before a single word is spoken or typed; that you might be presenting an equally if not more valid point of view never, ever, manages to illuminate such an adamant mindset.

Which I'm reasonably sure (most) everyone still talking or browsing here already knows, not that it makes things any less frustrating of course.

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Well, I mean, look at Dakka. There's a general chatter subforum, painting/modelling subforums, game play/rules questions, and even "off topic".

Trying to have essentially all of them crammed into one place makes for difficult reading and participation, no separation for ease of perusal (if I want to read about modelling I can head to that subforum and then further narrow my search just with a glance at the topic titles).

It's Mike's page and he's run it for ages, but honestly from what I've seen it seems to be hitting the issues with that many people with no segregation of ideas, topics or interests that such proximity can create.

The 'pin up thread' is the perfect example. Tucked in an "off topic" style section, most people probably wouldn't even see it, and were it a thread marked "Robotech Pin Ups [NSFW]" I doubt it would've been remotely as contentious a matter.

It would have been contentious no matter how it was marked.

The fact is, worse has been posted on that page before, but it is really all about who posted it there.

 Forar wrote:
Speaking of groups, you might want to go look at yours. I think some of them probably have their pants off at this point. (edit for context: they seem to have decided that 'the prudes can feth off' and are busy posting from deviant art)

Also, kindly do not put words in my mouth. I have never. EVER. Said that I "wanted a forum where everyone agrees with me".

But you've got just that rolling on Facebook, and that you'd even think I wanted such a thing reeks of projection.

Hell, I don't generally post on the Comments anymore because watching Jorel and Jaymz and Rick and Lola desperately need to get a room in public got old and embarrassing. I think they're gushing about Conan and breasts at this point. And here? We disagree about things regularly.

But if your insular group is to be the future of RRT, it's in for a bumpy ride.

Ohhh, this is going to be FUN!

No Forar I was generalizing of the everyone agree with me idea. Rick, Merijeek, Boba and a few others have effectively taken over and pushed anyone else away from the KS comments. It's pretty obvious. So if you felt included sorry man. As others have said, the few people who usually like to go there now avoid them. Here is not quite as bad. As I pointed out, some legitimate gripes. None of the complaining has gotten them anywhere. I doubt it will. As has been pointed out I have built somewhat of a personal relationship with PB. Do I get frustrated at them at times. Hell yes. But I honestly think I've done as much as I can and will continue to do so. I'm here for RRT, not PB, not HG, but because I was a 10 year old kid that watched Robotech again and again. If what I do happens to help them oh well. My primary goal is the best for RRT. I started Battletech only because there was no Robotech game. I played for years. All that was quickly put in the garage when I found out about RRT.


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Sining wrote:
With regards to Mike's example of people not wanting to come here, I'm sure we've had people in this thread express the same of his facebook group.

And to be honest his group can't take criticism very well. There was a guy who posted several Robotech Fans against Harmony Gold links on the page and he got lambasted for being so negative and how people were sick of his negativity and how this had nothing to do with RRT. Meanwhile random deviantart or kickstarters that certain people have an interest in? Perfectly ok to post and no complaints.


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Plus this whole handling of PB with kid's glove is utter bs imo. Seriously, if they don't have the mental maturity to run a business then maybe they shouldn't be running one

The whole RRT has become highly polarized and for numerous reasons. ROW shipping, minis parts, and we could go on. Many people out there just want to enjoy the game and move on. Some just want to complain that PB lied and cheated them. These are not two things that can co-exist well. Being a moderator I get a lot of reported posts from both ends of the spectrum and do my best to understand and accommodate both. There is an ebb and flow on the site. Things are fairly calm but I'm sure with ROW shipping and Wave 2 things will flare up again.


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evilsmurf wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

Funny. You could say the same thing about the palladium forums, in terms of having driven the haters away.

So define larger.

2 people? 5? 35000?

Funny you should say that. I got banned for stupid reasons and leave those forum mostly untouched and NMI is aware of my opinion of him. If you can't take criticism you cannot learn and grow and improve.

 Swabby wrote:
It would have been contentious no matter how it was marked.

The fact is, worse has been posted on that page before, but it is really all about who posted it there.

Kind of like the pb forums.


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Also criticism and praise of the game can coexist unless you're like five. Your members constantly complain about any negativity at all but considering it's a Facebook thread, they can just ignore it or not open the thread to view the comments.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
If it was not for me the Long Range Missile upgrade would still be 8 missiles. So I readily admit they don't listen to all I say, sometimes they can be made to listen. Small changes can alter the course.

Now on the persecution thingy. Maybe it's just me but I have had a larger number of people openly comment on why they refuse to go here or the KS comments. Some have reaped what they have sown. You wanted a forum where everyone agrees with you....now you have it because just about everyone else left.

You had developed a relationship directly with PB from the beginning, not many of us have had the opportunity.
I can say you worked for it and umm.. not sure if "earned it" is quite the words but they will have to do!
When able to have a direct dialogue it is easier to tailor the message (because you get direct feedback!).
Glad you had some impact on our "Itano Circus".

"PB is evil" seems an oversimplification of even the most negative of comments at least in this forum I can attest.

About chasing away those who do not agree with us, I tend to see our fine MODs do that to people who get into personal attacks, I can attest the PB forums tend to ban for hearing things they do not like in general like criticism which tends to limit discussion.

I hear many comments of "love for what they do", I am sure a few in the PB company are hard-core and passionate in what they do.
The top man however, who makes almost all the decisions will not even follow his own rules when game mastering an RPG as he has happily pointed out, he likes to "wing-it".(some write-up I had read by him after a convention... yes, do not have link handy so use salt...).

I have tried to appeal to him in the most logical way I can: to appeal to his greed.
How to get fans to happily hand over money and not be an inconvenience: plan ahead, be efficient, inform as incremental goals are met and get the smart people to handle the complicated stuff and whip them mercilessly if they do not perform as was discussed.
If he can only address the timeline creep many other "evils" could be forgiven or at least overlooked.
A "reach goal" would then be for them to put out what we want rather than what they think we want: big difference.

Now comments such as these are not all that bad right?
Not spreading lies or anything?
Not anything they want to hear I know, but they have this last opportunity to show turning over a new leaf before they try to hit that KS button again.

I just want all my darn models, all other details at this point are rather irrelevant.

You know full well things do not have to get to personal attacks before people are driven away. Modding can only go so far. I've seen it not only here but on my page. Do we have people on both sides of the fence go too far? Yes, sometimes I warn but FB is not like a forum. I can't temp ban. It's all or nothing.

On PB I could care less that they love what they do. They need to do what is best for Tactics. They mean well and are not all the monsters with evil intentions as some portray but more like exuberant children that run around with a lot of great desires and wishes and dreams but need a good hand and a guide to accomplish things. That is what is lacking. Organization and strong set of goals and strong management. Faith without works is dead. So I try to provide what guidance I can. Crap I wrote up a whole bunch of options as to what could be done next. It's frustrating to me how long something as simple as errata takes to get approved.


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Sining wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

Sining wrote:
You've obviously never read bad syntaxs' rage fit after he got a c&d for selling his 3d robotech mechs on shapeways. It involved calling people who disagreed with him Isis and how he was so ashamed of his fellow robotech fans

To be fair, his mood swings would give Jorel a run for his money.

If someone could paste his meltdown it would be hilarious.

There's like 200+ comments in that one thread alone iirc. People can just join Mike's group to see the whole thread, which is really quite funny. Especially when he starts ranting about how he's the only one in the group smart enough to 'rebuild the internet from scratch'. That's a direct quote. Yeah...

Funny thing is how many times I warned him via PM that that would happen....In fact I told him again 2 days before he got the notice.


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 Forar wrote:
Well, I mean, look at Dakka. There's a general chatter subforum, painting/modelling subforums, game play/rules questions, and even "off topic".

Trying to have essentially all of them crammed into one place makes for difficult reading and participation, no separation for ease of perusal (if I want to read about modelling I can head to that subforum and then further narrow my search just with a glance at the topic titles).

It's Mike's page and he's run it for ages, but honestly from what I've seen it seems to be hitting the issues with that many people with no segregation of ideas, topics or interests that such proximity can create.

The 'pin up thread' is the perfect example. Tucked in an "off topic" style section, most people probably wouldn't even see it, and were it a thread marked "Robotech Pin Ups [NSFW]" I doubt it would've been remotely as contentious a matter.

I honestly thought the pic was borderline but would have let it slide. But I back up Peter since I'm not there to second guess him or him to second guess me. What is fine for one is not for another and I actually did have a few complaints in and out of the thread. I'm there to do what I think is correct for the group and the page and not cater to the few. I feel that for the most part things go pretty well and we keep the pro modeling crowd vs more casual gamers from killing each other as well as the PB is bad vs the I just want to enjoy it group from tearing each other up. The group has grown way beyond what I ever expected so I might search for another person to help because things happen like these last few days where I have barely been able to look in to see what is going on due to work, school and the family.


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Sining wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
It would have been contentious no matter how it was marked.

The fact is, worse has been posted on that page before, but it is really all about who posted it there.

Kind of like the pb forums.


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Also criticism and praise of the game can coexist unless you're like five. Your members constantly complain about any negativity at all but considering it's a Facebook thread, they can just ignore it or not open the thread to view the comments.

Typically I have a bad memory except with a few that I pay attention to and don't worry about what people have said in the past. If people cross the line and start going at each other and I'm aware I'll try to diffuse or talk to them. I do have a life outside of the page that often prevents me from seeing the craziness until hours later.

Criticism can co-exist but not everyone can or does ACT like they are more than five and I think you know that pretty well. That goes for both sides of the fence.

You do realize that people like me that don't go to those forums or do Facebook at all isn't getting ANYTHING of what you're talking about, don't you.

Mike, last I remember you had one post on your entire Facebook group front page, criticising pb. From a guy who hasn't received his stuff. Majority of the negative comments were being expressed there and not spilling over into other threads. It's not like there was one guy spamming every single thread about why he was unhappy with pb. Instead what you guys did was go into that thread and complain about the complaints and the complainers. Not only that, someone apparently made a racist remark about me, which I couldn't see because the guy blocked me anyway, which you then replied to without chastising him until some other people brought up the fact that it was a pretty resist remark. Now again I haven't seen the remark so I can't say how racist it was, if it was. But don't act like your group isn't biased in any way

Is that why NMI banned you Mike? Do you enable racists on the internet? It would have to be something serious like that or surely someone from palladium would have stepped in to defend you, they don't just hand out bannings willy hilly over there...

Alleged racists since I never saw the comment. I do know it had something to do with the way I speak/read on the internet though thanks to mikes reply to the guy

Sining wrote:
Mike, last I remember you had one post on your entire Facebook group front page, criticising pb. From a guy who hasn't received his stuff. Majority of the negative comments were being expressed there and not spilling over into other threads. It's not like there was one guy spamming every single thread about why he was unhappy with pb. Instead what you guys did was go into that thread and complain about the complaints and the complainers. Not only that, someone apparently made a racist remark about me, which I couldn't see because the guy blocked me anyway, which you then replied to without chastising him until some other people brought up the fact that it was a pretty resist remark. Now again I haven't seen the remark so I can't say how racist it was, if it was. But don't act like your group isn't biased in any way

I never said there were completely unbiased. People always have biases. But I try to allow for a more open forum especially knowing how PB is. Also you pointed out that there are few posts criticizing PB, actually there are a number and fairly often so I find your comment lacking. Also If I remember right it was Alex that made that remark and I did speak to him in a PM and tell him to cool it or he would be banned. I have done that to a number of people. Luckily things come and go and only 2 people have had to be thrown off other than the few robots selling sunglasses. Also keep in mind that your response supports my point more than anything. There are a large number of players, who upset at differing levels just want to enjoy the game. These players are the ones that by and large get upset at each other on both ends. So if you say there are a lot of people shouting down people who criticize I would say that of the 1700+ members that shows that there are also a significant percentage of RRT backers and players who just want to enjoy the game. Some do honestly care and are sympathetic to ROW and some may not care. Again, you point reinforces mine. Thanks.


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Joyboozer wrote:
Is that why NMI banned you Mike? Do you enable racists on the internet? It would have to be something serious like that or surely someone from palladium would have stepped in to defend you, they don't just hand out bannings willy hilly over there...

NMI banned me and told me to be the better man because I openly criticized a poster who is known for slavishly and blindly backing PB. He jumped on players complaining about the minis and more and from his comment it was plainly obvious that despite his attempts to say otherwise he had NOT A SINGLE CLUE as to what the factors were driving the upset people. He jumped in to defend PB without having any idea as to what they were upset about or why. I told him he needs to understand a complaint before he jumps in to defend something and that he needed to go back and read the complaints. He complained to NMI and I got a warning telling me to "Be the Better Man". I thought that was stupid and made a thread about being the better man that showed the hypocrisy in how I was treated and was banned. I rarely go over there at all except to answer the occaisional rules question and to be aware to help with the errata.

I was actually surprised and skeptical when NMI asked to join my FB group and have warned him a few times for jumping on people for criticizing PB. PB...Kevin, Wayne, and Jeff are big men and if they think something is too much they are free to come and answer on my page. But openly attacking someone just for criticizing was too much and I told NMI so. I even gave advice for the PB forums, not that I expect him to take any of it. I do the best I can on my page keeping things on task but sometimes I'm at work or out of the house and can't read and keep up with every single post.

If I remember right the post against Sining was something I did not see till a few hours after it happened. I realized I needed some help and asked Peter to help moderate since things have grown and I'm contemplating asking another person to help. Like this weekend. I'm out of town and also have a ton of homework for my masters to work on.