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 Alpharius wrote:
Is it already time for the next PB KS?!?

Is everything from Wave 2 finalized and in production?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is it already time for the next PB KS?!?

Is everything from Wave 2 finalized and in production?

I have it on good authority from the horse's mouth that it is 98% done and finally finalized. At least I think that was the end of the horse it came from but now that I think about it...

 Forar wrote:
But it'd be a hell of a lot classier than raising questions as to whether or not they're taking Peter's money to pay Paul, as has been alluded to a hundred times now (Hi Rick!).

 warboss wrote:
In any case, I'm no longer a customer of theirs so it doesn't affect me.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders if a few companies out there in the market really, truly, understand the concept of "repeat business" or "repeat customers."

I guess I must have been absent that day, you know, where a lesson was taught on how selling nothing to no one covers overhead and allows new things to be produced.
Because, especially for a few prime examples, too many companies keep trying to prove that somehow having things to sell to folks who're willing to buy them doesn't matter.

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 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:

All kidding aside, I sincerely hope they only do so (if they choose to) once this campaign is done. As in, not "the molds are done and we're working on production and delivery, you can totes trust us!", but "the last box just left the warehouse".

As evidenced by the sham vote, I don't think most backers would sadly care. That said... I would point out that 5+ months after shipping "started" (Gencon or bust!), only a single continent has received wave 1. If they say that the molds are done, that is in no way a guarantee of anything arriving in a timely fashion. In any case, I'm no longer a customer of theirs so it doesn't affect me. After I get wave 2 and pick up a single zentraedi infantry box at my FLGS, I'm done with palladium again.

Well, that's only true if you don't count South America...

 warboss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is it already time for the next PB KS?!?

Is everything from Wave 2 finalized and in production?

I have it on good authority from the horse's mouth that it is 98% done and finally finalized. At least I think that was the end of the horse it came from but now that I think about it...

That was no horse, it's a cow, man! And I also believe it's a male that they're milking!

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:

All kidding aside, I sincerely hope they only do so (if they choose to) once this campaign is done. As in, not "the molds are done and we're working on production and delivery, you can totes trust us!", but "the last box just left the warehouse".

As evidenced by the sham vote, I don't think most backers would sadly care. That said... I would point out that 5+ months after shipping "started" (Gencon or bust!), only a single continent has received wave 1. If they say that the molds are done, that is in no way a guarantee of anything arriving in a timely fashion. In any case, I'm no longer a customer of theirs so it doesn't affect me. After I get wave 2 and pick up a single zentraedi infantry box at my FLGS, I'm done with palladium again.

Well, that's only true if you don't count South America...

Are they done with South America? If they did, I missed that. In that case, they're done with 1/3 of the continents instead of 1/6... a year late... for 1/3 of the sculpts. And, yes, I'm excluding Antarctica as I assume they didn't get any orders to be mailed to the various polar research stations.

 warboss wrote:
Are they done with South America? If they did, I missed that. In that case, they're done with 1/3 of the continents instead of 1/6... a year late... for 1/3 of the sculpts. And, yes, I'm excluding Antarctica as I assume they didn't get any orders to be mailed to the various polar research stations.

Ah, no, what I mean is that usually "America" is counted as one single continent, so arguably they haven't even finished the one yet.

It is?

*looks at WIkipedia*

Depending on the system used, there are between 7 and 4 continents?!?

... what?

Mind. Blown.

Wow, Kickstarter comments has become a troll-fest (not lola... some Jor person, one should not drink and contrive).
I now have been "pleasantly" reminded why I do not tend to post there.
I am somewhat impressed what kind of interesting words can be used, I have a new appreciation of moderation here.
The only problem is that the more public means of raising issues with a kickstarter just becomes some person's personal soapbox for attention.

Gah! Creeping up on our anniversary of being funded May 20 2013: 1/4 year to go and 2 years of RRT kickstarter and no Wave 2 in sight!
Sorry, plus a report of ships in the night heading out to UK and Australia so our friends overseas can finally get something.

Still pounding out models and have not opened the second box yet: the one and the add-on bags have been sufficient so-far.
I do admit, the box contents are rather impressive.
BTW the "guide" for pairing sprue bits I found here: http://imgur.com/a/vqSaO.
Just in case I am not the only one late in finding it (pretty much figured it out by now).

Any thoughts on Veritech missile load-out?
I have been going with the standard so-far.
MLOPS is looking good for stopping cold missile attacks received, good for missile pod hunting squadron.
Not sure what to use to model "gravity bombs", I was thinking of putting a rounded end instead of normal for the MLOPS pod.

The other burning question: black base or colour (thinking grey)? Fine gravel the base or not at all?

Whoever this is: I hate you with the utmost respect:But is guardian and jet mode modeled as well??

See you all.

 Talizvar wrote:
Wow, Kickstarter comments has become a troll-fest (not lola... some Jor person, one should not drink and contrive).
I now have been "pleasantly" reminded why I do not tend to post there.
I am somewhat impressed what kind of interesting words can be used, I have a new appreciation of moderation here.
The only problem is that the more public means of raising issues with a kickstarter just becomes some person's personal soapbox for attention.

Gah! Creeping up on our anniversary of being funded May 20 2013: 1/4 year to go and 2 years of RRT kickstarter and no Wave 2 in sight!
Sorry, plus a report of ships in the night heading out to UK and Australia so our friends overseas can finally get something.

Still pounding out models and have not opened the second box yet: the one and the add-on bags have been sufficient so-far.
I do admit, the box contents are rather impressive.
BTW the "guide" for pairing sprue bits I found here: http://imgur.com/a/vqSaO.
Just in case I am not the only one late in finding it (pretty much figured it out by now).

Any thoughts on Veritech missile load-out?
I have been going with the standard so-far.
MLOPS is looking good for stopping cold missile attacks received, good for missile pod hunting squadron.
Not sure what to use to model "gravity bombs", I was thinking of putting a rounded end instead of normal for the MLOPS pod.

The other burning question: black base or colour (thinking grey)? Fine gravel the base or not at all?

Whoever this is: I hate you with the utmost respect:

Spoiler:

But is guardian and jet mode modeled as well??

See you all.

Personally I see it as poking a dog with a stick now that it's stuck between the slats on a fence since that same dog always snarls and barks and runs back and forth on the other side of the fence even when all you are doing is walking by to get mail out of the mailbox. I have a neighbors dog that does that.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Personally I see it as poking a dog with a stick now that it's stuck between the slats on a fence since that same dog always snarls and barks and runs back and forth on the other side of the fence even when all you are doing is walking by to get mail out of the mailbox. I have a neighbors dog that does that.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are the commenters the dog or palladium? Is palladium's lack of meaningful wave 2 info despite weekly updates for months the "stick" or the pointless and redundant insulting commentary between 4 posters the stick?

 warboss wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

Personally I see it as poking a dog with a stick now that it's stuck between the slats on a fence since that same dog always snarls and barks and runs back and forth on the other side of the fence even when all you are doing is walking by to get mail out of the mailbox. I have a neighbors dog that does that.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are the commenters the dog or palladium? Is palladium's lack of meaningful wave 2 info despite weekly updates for months the "stick" or the pointless and redundant insulting commentary between 4 posters the stick?

hahah...No I was referring to the people getting on Jorel for saying some really dumb things. Instead of backing off or apologizing he doubles down and gets torn apart. Jorel always like to attack people even when they are not talking or referring to him so that analogy was fitting.

He's always been like that. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (including his own experiences that he now uses as evidence himself), he was a faithful knight of the order of Palladium during the kickstarter. Hypocrisy is his middle name. He criticized Jaymz for spamming his robotech message board links once a day when Jorel himself spammed palladium's RPG sales links every few hours for weeks during the kickstarter. He got singled out a few years back by Kevin S. for derision in a murmur yet came crawling back to lick his master's hand. I don't put any stock in what he says as he's shown that he can flip the light switch whenever it suits him. He's always been at war Eurasia until Big Kevin tells him it's actually Eastasia.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Personally I see it as poking a dog with a stick now that it's stuck between the slats on a fence since that same dog always snarls and barks and runs back and forth on the other side of the fence even when all you are doing is walking by to get mail out of the mailbox. I have a neighbors dog that does that.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are the commenters the dog or palladium? Is palladium's lack of meaningful wave 2 info despite weekly updates for months the "stick" or the pointless and redundant insulting commentary between 4 posters the stick?

hahah...No I was referring to the people getting on Jorel for saying some really dumb things. Instead of backing off or apologizing he doubles down and gets torn apart. Jorel always like to attack people even when they are not talking or referring to him so that analogy was fitting.

Yes, trolling the troll can feel like a perpetual bad karma machine.
But I do admit what Warboss said strikes a chord: give them something a little more productive to talk about, you can really see they are getting bored...

The shipping information IS important for those overseas, don't get me wrong, BUT it has been about 2 months now of fiddling with the new wave 1 stuff (in N.A.) and you have to wonder when we will see the rest.
There should be many lessons learned from Wave 1 so (one would think!) PB would have a little more confidence and a better handle on this next Wave.

It is funny that as I spend the time with the kits received and assembled models: much is being forgiven at least I am noticing with my own attitude.
Not enough to back another kickstarter!
It is more being accepting that the product is a reasonable standard, I got most of what I wanted (so far) and the price is good it was just the wait and the song and dance notices from PB we could have done without.
PB will continue to produce product in their own special way and now that we know it will continue no matter who they partner with: we have been warned.

lol, the models are not even close to as bad as they were portrayed. I will say that I have not started painting mine yet though.....so the seams will be more pronounced then.

 Mike1975 wrote:
lol, the models are not even close to as bad as they were portrayed. I will say that I have not started painting mine yet though.....so the seams will be more pronounced then.

It is such a long hard slog that I clean as best I can but get-ur-dun.
I will see if I have ambition to green-stuff and file a little more before the white prime hits the plastic.
Trying to have fully painted (& decal & clear-coat) before end of March to see if I have a hope to present at Hotlead.

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Are they done with South America? If they did, I missed that. In that case, they're done with 1/3 of the continents instead of 1/6... a year late... for 1/3 of the sculpts. And, yes, I'm excluding Antarctica as I assume they didn't get any orders to be mailed to the various polar research stations.

Ah, no, what I mean is that usually "America" is counted as one single continent, so arguably they haven't even finished the one yet.

Really? I would assume "America" = USA, along with "North America", simply because that is the largest market with the lowest cost. Canada, etc. are dramatically smaller markets with higher costs.

If they say "Americas", then that includes everybody else.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Are they done with South America? If they did, I missed that. In that case, they're done with 1/3 of the continents instead of 1/6... a year late... for 1/3 of the sculpts. And, yes, I'm excluding Antarctica as I assume they didn't get any orders to be mailed to the various polar research stations.

Ah, no, what I mean is that usually "America" is counted as one single continent, so arguably they haven't even finished the one yet.

Really? I would assume "America" = USA, along with "North America", simply because that is the largest market with the lowest cost. Canada, etc. are dramatically smaller markets with higher costs.

If they say "Americas", then that includes everybody else.

I was taught "America", without a prefix or pluralization, referred to the country. But that the continents were North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa and Antarctica. The Americas is North and South combined. Of course, it depends on what model of "continent" you're using, as it can range from 4 to 7 (with two different variations on 6, one being combining Europe and Asia, and the other being the two Americas). Though the seven continent model appears to be the most common international usage.

But even if we take that, to my knowledge, Mexico is part of RoW for RRT, as is Greenland and a couple of small islands. Not sure if there are any backers in Greenland, but I'm pretty sure there are some in Mexico. Meaning not even North America is done.

EDIT : Wow, that was a lot more geography-nerdier than I thought it was gonna be.

I'm basically agreed. Just note that Americans have this view that Mexico isn't part of North America. Also that Central America doesn't really exist.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I was taught "America", without a prefix or pluralization, referred to the country. But that the continents were North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa and Antarctica. The Americas is North and South combined. Of course, it depends on what model of "continent" you're using, as it can range from 4 to 7 (with two different variations on 6, one being combining Europe and Asia, and the other being the two Americas). Though the seven continent model appears to be the most common international usage.

Here we were taught the "classic" 5 continents: Europe, Asia, Africa, America and Australia (with Antarctica as a variant sixth), and over here "the Americas" is what we would call it when talking about Colon or the Conquistadores, otherwise the continent would be simply "America". Apparently, it's also the same notation that the UN uses, but I didn't know that until today, TBH.

GHQ SALE! 15% Off!
Use Code: Futuretech15

Doc Brookshire is already aware since he piqued the interest of the people over at GHQ and suggested that they might want to contact me. GHQ has modern 6mm stuff. They have seen a rise in people wanting to buy their stuff for use in Robotech Tactics. Often when people order they put in the comments that the order is for RRT or Battletech or something else. I offered to make stat cards for whatever you guys needed and wound up talking to a rep from GHQ on the phone today. I spoke to them for about 40 minutes. I explained what RRT is and about the Kickstarter and that it is new to the market. They know not everyone is interested but they want to gauge how much honest interest there is.


I suggested that they could do a small sale that lasted about a week. We could use a code like Future Tech or something. They are also interested in making things that we suggest or adding to what they have with a few futuristic vehicles as long as they stay away from existing IP.

So every time the coupon code is used they will track to see how many buy it and know how many want to use their stuff.

Here is a response I got from them just a few minutes ago via email...

Thanks again for everything! As I mentioned to you, we have been researching/discussing Robotech for a couple of weeks now, so when I ran out of my office to talk about our conversation everyone was ready to hear what you and I talked about. Your idea for the targeted discount code was a hit! Let’s run with it! We have set a discount code for 15% off on orders over $50.00 worth of merchandise. It runs through Feb. 23rd, 2015. The code is:

Futuretech15

Everyone is great with you posting it on your Facebook page, and suggesting that others post it on theirs. Please put it up as quickly as possible, and we can start to see what kind of effect it has! We all also think that it’s a good idea for you to let everyone in the Robotech community know that you have talked/e-mailed with us, and feel free to let them know anything that we discussed. We want them to know that their response to this targeted sale, and their replies to your posts can definitely have an influence.

I want you to know that every year when GHQ puts together our new release list, all of those items come from customer suggestions. We receive thousands of requests every year.

So feel free to share this on your FB page or whatever forums you frequent and lets make a good showing. Also let's get a dialog going on what else we would like to have and what we need to get Conventional stuff to work in RRT. Infantry need some rules is one example. The Dialog will also help keep this post at the top until the sale is over!

Enjoy all!

"Ran out of the office"? Occupational health and safety people are frowning.

GHQModels.com just in case

Thanks, I'll report them immediately, work safety is important!

LOL!

Thanks, for the opportunity to get 15% off.
I was beginning to panic since 1/285 scale was rather hard to select / find (N or HO!!!).
This helps: http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-pewter-buildings.html

Possible Convoy vehicles of interest:
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n96.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n129.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n128.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n26.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n511.html This is nice!

Light Generic Military Vehicle:
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n523.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/vn8.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n144.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n143.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n503.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n504.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n109.html

On sale:
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n3.htmlM113A1 classic... looks nice.

In the end: Good to look at for support vehicles to add some colour to the battlezone or objectives.
I was a bit disappointed in not being able to find any solutions for buildings.
I right now have to depend on the dropzone commander cardboard stuff.
I DO have a fair number of civilian cars I found elsewhere that I will be using.

Anyway, glad our little group can make a connection... I will see what I can throw at these guys for a little more flavor to RTT.

http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/combat-commands-modern.html

http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-modern-micro-armour.html

GHQ models?

Can somebody post a link to that? I think I missed it.

... Read the last, like, 5 posts?
Edit: sorry, 8.

Well, I've ordered a Destroid pack at Wayland, to use them for an old school Mechwarrior campaign we're about to start.

Let's see how long it takes for Palladium's stuff to arrive after I receive this >_>

Bitter? Me? Naaaaaaaa

At least I'll be able to see first hand how annoying the assembly is and how noticeable (and fixable) the gaps end up being, so there's that at least. I just would have preferred to be able to do it with my fething pledge, instead of from retail.