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 Swabby wrote:
I just want to say that I am enjoying this game so much that it has inspired me to put an entire 40k army and a warmachine army before my RRT stuff in my hobby queue.

Obviously this is because I want to be in the zone when I actually start painting these mouthwatering minis.

Fed into the Simbieda®©™ Translato®©™r:

Swabby just told me that he didn't think his painting skills were up to par as far as painting mouth watering RRT®©™ miniatures. So he's going to become a better painter by painting some other companies' inferior easy to paint miniatures. That way when he finally gets around to tackling his mouth watering RRT®©™ miniatures he can give it his best effort. Because he is a True Fan.

Merijeek wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
I just want to say that I am enjoying this game so much that it has inspired me to put an entire 40k army and a warmachine army before my RRT stuff in my hobby queue.
Obviously this is because I want to be in the zone when I actually start painting these mouthwatering minis.

Fed into the Simbieda®©™ Translato®©™r:
Swabby just told me that he didn't think his painting skills were up to par as far as painting mouth watering RRT®©™ miniatures. So he's going to become a better painter by painting some other companies' inferior easy to paint miniatures. That way when he finally gets around to tackling his mouth watering RRT®©™ miniatures he can give it his best effort. Because he is a True Fan.

It could be further stated that the game is such a jewel collector's item that the fans cannot bring themselves to open the box!

In all seriousness, this site I found through "Warboss"'s blog is really good:
http://rpgandtactics.blogspot.com.au/
It gives the motivation to crack open the box and make some stuff.

Yes, it is not a confused message if we bash PB and make the miniatures awesome despite the challenges? Right?

Yeah, it's a good site. I still love Robotech, just not how Palladium treated it and us over almost two years. The only thing I wonder about (that blog) is why a guy in California is using the aussie google blog platform. Yay! My blog was useful!


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Also, good luck to any dakkites that may be attending adepticon tomorrow and participating in the tourney. Take pics and let us know if there is any sunshine flying out from the back of the palladium booth!

my issue with the recent 3d images they showed us, is they are not new, could have sworn the showed us the actual 3d sculpts of these drawings at GC last year.

that and they chibied the hell out of the Lancer.

Mysterious package being sent from Good Games weighing 6.7 kilos. No tracking, no info, must be Palladium related.

Yeah I got no tracking either.

Joyboozer wrote:
Mysterious package being sent from Good Games weighing 6.7 kilos. No tracking, no info, must be Palladium related.

I got the same

I know they say the product is "drool inducing" but it may not need the stealth delivery:

Oddly, the packaging was rather non-descript.

Well, as I said, it arrived... now I only need to know where to send a mail for missing bases and dice >_>.

Congrats to those in far flung parts of Narnia (apparently since it took 4-6 months additional to get there) who finally have their stuff or at least tangible proof that they will soon.

So apparently the Adepticon Robotech tourney that didn't sell out had only half the folks who did sign up actually turn up. A friend of mine who played seemed like he had a fun time and it sounds like everyone who played got some sort of a prize/thank you for playing. I haven't seen much youtube video in my nightly adepticon searches but in the beast of war live dealer room walk through before the doors opened you can see a few seconds of the palladium booth (completely separate and away from Ninja Division/Soda Pop).

From what my friend said, Palladium mentioned they're shooting for November for Wave 2. Whether that means US backers in November and ROW in STFU 2016 I don't know so take the statement with the usual pinchful of salt. I personally was surprised that they weren't shooting for Gencon but maybe this time they're padding the dates more realistically instead of hoping to hit every green light on the road for 20 miles in rush hour.

Heh. "November". Aka "Black Friday".

248 days and counting, in that case.

Let's see if they can actually avoid being a full 2 years late.

Looked like there was a pretty small turn out at Adepticon, my guess is that everyone is probably still assembling stuff.

My guess is most of them are assembling other stuff, like 40k stuff.

 paulson games wrote:
Looked like there was a pretty small turn out at Adepticon, my guess is that everyone is probably still assembling stuff.

Did you go this year? Just curious if you were recounting first hand or commenting on the second hand accounts above. It's always good to get some of the former in the thread.

I went, the game didn't seem to have a very big draw. Firestorm Armada, Saga, even Bloodbowl had much bigger turn outs and I don't typically see anyone playing those locally so I'm curious what that projects for Robotech's future.



Robotech had 8-9 people, they had 28 people for BB, and over 30 for Saga. Didn't get an exact count on FA but they had a lot of tables and they were all completely full. Battletech had 3 tables and looked like a ghost town (like normal). Robotech looked like it did a bit better than the battletech turn out but that's a really low bar to reach past. I've been at Adeption for the last five years and I'd don't think I've ever seen more than 4-5 people at the battletech tables at a given time. Most of the people around their table are usually other demo agents, they seem to have a better showing at gencon.


It's only been a few months since stuff started arriving so it very well could be that people are still building and painting their stuff, or they were playing more mainstream stuff like 40k. I paint at the speed of a snail, doing an army is a year+ project for me. With the game just released in Nov if I were interested in playing I wouldn't be able to until next year or longer based on how quickly I tackle stuff. It's one of the main reasons I don't actually game at Adepticon beyond skirmish scale stuff as I never have a complete painted army. The most I can typically manage is a warband or kill team sized event. I've been wanting to play my Tau army for 5 years running and not even close to having it finished as their re-release about doubled the amount of models I needed to paint, sigh.

Thanks for the clarification. While I seriously doubt anyone would call me a palladium fanboy, I don't think enough time has passed to make much of the lack of players at this adepticon. Gencon IMO will be the first indicator if the game has any legs and if we don't see folks playing or running games outside of just the megaversal ambassadors then that might be troubling. IIRC NA shipping finished sometime in November and, as you said, that may not be enough time for the average hobbyist to finish a 300pt force with the multiple holidays inbetween.

Out of curiosity (and a bit off topic), did your interest in the tau spur you to make the alternate add on bits or did the add on bits spur your interest in making your own tau army? I've very recently started redoing some tau starting with a tiny 200pt kill team plus an HQ myself after years of not really doing much with 40k other than finishing what I already owned and couldn't sell. I started with some primarchs and then moved onto some crisis suits.

I started collecting Tau when they were first released 12-13 years ago. Cooled on 40k for a while and most my Tau and Grey Knights ended up getting lost in transit somewhere between Iraq & Germany while my brother was borrowing it during his army stint. Started rebuilding my collection about 8 years ago, and began making my own bits and minis 5-6 years ago. I've been converting and sculpting stuff since I started gaming but selling stuff didn't happen until then.

Been playing 40k on and off since 91-92 when I was hooked with spacehulk, had both orks and marines back during rogue trader days. (Started playing battletech back around 85-86 so that predates my 40k days by a good shot)

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, as I said, it arrived... now I only need to know where to send a mail for missing bases and dice >_>.

NO! Please say you were kidding...

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, as I said, it arrived... now I only need to know where to send a mail for missing bases and dice >_>.

kickstarter@palladiumbooks.com

According to the couple of times they've shared it in updates, at least.

 paulson games wrote:
Battletech had 3 tables and looked like a ghost town (like normal). Robotech looked like it did a bit better than the battletech turn out but that's a really low bar to reach past. I've been at Adeption for the last five years and I'd don't think I've ever seen more than 4-5 people at the battletech tables at a given time.

Sad to hear.
My friends are disappointed I am spending the time building Robotech than build up my forces for some Batter-tech alpha-strike game of insane proportions (800 models per side last count?), some 7 regiments (108 models per regiment).
I would be lucky to field 1.

Hell, at my peak I could only do a regiment. But then again, that's when they were all metal, and most of them had had at least one arm superglued between my thumb and forefinger while I was waiting for something to dry.

Disd looklike low numbers at Adepticon but the fact that 90% of the armies on show were Zents and the other Destroid based one does seem to tell a tale? It does appear assembly and the need to get to a three colour minimum has played its part.

I was surprised - well a little at least - that PB were not actively pushing the game, with at least one or two videos of what was going on and more demoing. I thought they might have fought for a little limelight?

The rumour of a November date for Wave 2 (just in time for Black Friday again?) is a real coffin nail and one I would have thought PB would be working hard to offset, given their grandiose -all be it pie in the sky - plans.

Did they still do the demo games they had planned or was it just the tournament? If they're going through the effort of going to a con, I'd hope they'd have some sort of fun but quick scenario running largely round the clock to showcase the game in the minis hall. The palladium employee in charge of the rules who gave players a choice of whether they wanted him to be a donkeycave during the demos at gencon went to the con as well IIRC from the weekly update but I don't know if he was trying to pWN n00bs again to discourage them from buying or just selling stuff at the booth.


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wilycoyote wrote:

The rumour of a November date for Wave 2 (just in time for Black Friday again?) is a real coffin nail and one I would have thought PB would be working hard to offset, given their grandiose -all be it pie in the sky - plans.

Would it be better for all involved (them as a company and us as consumers) if they got it out sooner, perhaps by gencon? Sure.. but I don't see it as a nail in the coffin personally. Honestly, if they publicly come out with that date and god forbid for the first time in the history of this project actually hit a deadline, I'd see that as a positive thing. Again, my friend just asked about wave 2 (I made sure to remind him to do so) and that is what they told him. I don't know if that is a "play it safe" date with lots of padding or a "please god.. please god... oh my god, please!" date like last year's gencon deadline is anyone's guess. At this point, I'm mentally flagging wave 2 in time for Black Friday/Xmas. If it comes early, I'll celebrate. If it comes later, I won't be surprised given the history of the folks behind this game.

As I've said before, I think Gencon 2015 will be the first real indication of if the game has any long term viability but it certainly is NOT the only deciding factor in my opinion. YMMV.


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 paulson games wrote:
I started collecting Tau when they were first released 12-13 years ago. Cooled on 40k for a while and most my Tau and Grey Knights ended up getting lost in transit somewhere between Iraq & Germany while my brother was borrowing it during his army stint. Started rebuilding my collection about 8 years ago, and began making my own bits and minis 5-6 years ago. I've been converting and sculpting stuff since I started gaming but selling stuff didn't happen until then.

Been playing 40k on and off since 91-92 when I was hooked with spacehulk, had both orks and marines back during rogue trader days. (Started playing battletech back around 85-86 so that predates my 40k days by a good shot)

Ah, ok, thanks. Nice stuff in any case and if I expand my little farsight force (so far only 4 models planned in total for it!), I'll likely be placing an order for some variant bits. It's the first time I'm worked on tau in years myself as well.


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 Talizvar wrote:

My friends are disappointed I am spending the time building Robotech than build up my forces for some Batter-tech alpha-strike game of insane proportions (800 models per side last count?), some 7 regiments (108 models per regiment).
I would be lucky to field 1.

Is there something either in Robotech Tactics or Alpha Strike that would preclude using the models you've built in both?

wilycoyote wrote:
The rumour of a November date for Wave 2 (just in time for Black Friday again?) is a real coffin nail

I would hope they'd be ready for GenCon.

FWIW, I pre-approve for GenCon sales, because I know PB is going to do it anyways, so might as well not bother fighting it.

 warboss wrote:
Is there something either in Robotech Tactics or Alpha Strike that would preclude using the models you've built in both?

Only gluing the models on the big round bases.
The extra veritech robot could be an old style Wasp (bit big though).
I do have some extra Destroids I will use for Battletech but the push is to get a little more than 3 colours on the Robotech stuff, get decals on and clear-coat.
At least with all the practice I got in, re-doing some Battletech models in Steiner colours will be really easy.

I stopped by the Palldium booth at Adepticon and picked up a box of the veritechs just because I wanted to paint them. They were also nice enough to give me the sprue that was supposed to come in my full swag bag.

I hope this game takes off, but I didn't see them demonstrating the game except for one side table at their booth that most people passing by probably didn't see. They should have had at least a couple of standing tables set up like they did for warmachine.

As for Palladium delaying releases from a kickstarter - seems about par for the course. Relic knights, from what I understand, was a lot worse.

Side note - Also didn't get the Relic Knight figures that were supposed to come in the full swag bag. Adepticon really dropped the ball on their swag bags this year.

I'd have to go looking, but I'm pretty sure Relic Knights started delivery about 1 year late, and while there were fulfillment issues and some figures that held up shipments, in general they at least seemed to get everything out within a year and change or so.

We'll be lucky if this delivers in full 2 years late, and if Wave 2 is anything like Wave 1, Australian/NZ/ROW/European backers could be closer to 2.5+ years late to receive their packages.

So, apologies if this seems pedantic, but no, Relic Knights wasn't "a lot worse". Palladium has been blazing a trail in terms of slow delivery. Even Ogre got out the door faster and that used to be a running gag in KS circles.

Funny how one terrible embarrassment only needs a few years to become the new normal? People get actively snotty and even hostile for expecting anything remotely resembling on time delivery, as those a 3-12+ month delay is an expectation, rather than something creators take for granted.

Relic Knights was delivered by CMoN all at once, but almost exactly 1 year late (June 2014 vs "May 2013" estimated). I believe a large portion of the delay was related to CMoN launching Wrath of Kings as a competing product and ultimately parting ways with Soda Pop Minis.

Robotech wave 1 was delivered by Palladium a full year late (Nov 2014 vs "Dec 2013" estimate). Palladium still has wave 2 to go...

As far as embarassing lateness, I still point to Steve Jackson Games' Ogre DE Kickstarter. They promised "Nov 2012", delivered wave 1 a full year late in Nov 2013, and they are still have several open items from the Kickstarter unfulfilled and undelivered.

By the end of 2015, Palladium may well be able to close this out, but there is minimal chance to say the same of Ogre.

wilycoyote wrote:

I was surprised - well a little at least - that PB were not actively pushing the game, with at least one or two videos of what was going on and more demoing. I thought they might have fought for a little limelight?

I'm not from what I've seen of Palladium, the only thing they promote is Kevin's ego, they have no clue about promotions or such for their games.

The rumour of a November date for Wave 2 (just in time for Black Friday again?) is a real coffin nail and one I would have thought PB would be working hard to offset, given their grandiose -all be it pie in the sky - plans.

my figuring is the only way we'll see any of wave 2 this year is if they split it up again, but considering they have yet to send out games to the RoW outside of the UK or Australia shipments is troubling at best.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Robotech wave 1 was delivered by Palladium a full year late (Nov 2014 vs "Dec 2013" estimate).

A ton of backers still don't have their stuff.

Hell, a bunch of people don't even have things in the mail yet, far as we know.

They absolutely did not have "wave 1 delivered in November 2014".