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On the plus side, RRT is outselling #15 Star Wars Armada, so that's kind of nice.

But yeah, X-wing is the 800-lb gorilla of tabletop hotness.

For those that have built Zentraedi models, can someone post a pic with the various pods next to a ruler to gauge their heights? Basically a line of the tallest normal pod, recon, arty, and glaug next to a standing ruler (kind of like the pic below) as that would help me alot. I finally started looking at my carrying case with custom foam that I bought long ago for robotech among other things and I'm not sure if the slots are big enough. I fully admit that this is laziness as I don't have the motivation to build them all myself just to find out that they're too big. If you throw some RDF stuff in their as well, that would be much appreciated.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
On the plus side, RRT is outselling #15 Star Wars Armada, so that's kind of nice.

Funny you should say that.

Look again.

Armada is now number 13. RRT core is down to 18.

Well that shifted quickly.

 Forar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
On the plus side, RRT is outselling #15 Star Wars Armada, so that's kind of nice.

Funny you should say that.

Look again.

Armada is now number 13. RRT core is down to 18.

Well that shifted quickly.

Also relevant to the conversation is the fact that FRP is asking for $80 for the Armada core set versus CSI, MM and others (including Amazon sellers with Prime shipping) at $69. Walmart has it at $60, but shipping in a month (if they honor that price). Outside of people with major loyalty to FRP as an online retail outlet or orders that include things that can't be found elsewhere, it's hard to see where Armada would be a particularly big seller for them in general due to the price point. When it's almost 15% cheaper from your competitors for the same product, the volume of sales is going to be lower than those competitors on that product.

What that says about RTT I'll leave for the peanut gallery.

FRP has the RRT core box for $80, CSI and MM have it for $75.

If I lived in the US, CSI and I would be simply the best of friends, instead of gazing longingly at one another now and then.

So dreamy...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
On the plus side, RRT is outselling #15 Star Wars Armada, so that's kind of nice.

Probably nicer if Armada would have been on sale for more than a week, though. It got released this week, if I'm not mistaken.

 Forar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
On the plus side, RRT is outselling #15 Star Wars Armada, so that's kind of nice.

Armada is now number 13. RRT core is down to 18.

Well that shifted quickly.

Literally overnight. Maybe they update weekly?

Joyboozer wrote:
That's his post he keeps repeating? I thought it was just a really long signature he kept adding!

that too.

Well, last I saw FRPGames claims to update their stuff at the end of the month.

So...yeah, I wouldn't believe a word they say.

No way, anyone saying FRP games is anything but the most important thing to consider (because they're the web store arm of the largest distributor in the US of course - if you don't know who that is it's your own fault look it up newb) is just wrong and lol worthy.

Saying you need more context is just another way of saying the sky is falling.

 Forar wrote:

Some dude's painting manual being number one seems strange though. How many of those things are they selling?

That's the house painter for Infinity, it originally had a limited print run of about 5000 that he funded from his own pocket, which sold out about 20 seconds after they went on sale and crashed the Infinity website. I think this might be the second print run he relented on.


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 warboss wrote:
For those that have built Zentraedi models, can someone post a pic with the various pods next to a ruler to gauge their heights? Basically a line of the tallest normal pod, recon, arty, and glaug next to a standing ruler (kind of like the pic below) as that would help me alot. I finally started looking at my carrying case with custom foam that I bought long ago for robotech among other things and I'm not sure if the slots are big enough. I fully admit that this is laziness as I don't have the motivation to build them all myself just to find out that they're too big. If you throw some RDF stuff in their as well, that would be much appreciated.

This is exactly why I'm working on my shelf of robits and other wonderful mechanical men, a comparison between and across ranges... I just haven't had a chance to do anything from Robotech yet

 NTRabbit wrote:
Well, mine arrived today. Those are a lot of little parts.

Who's doing the local distribution for this one? A box arrived at my mailing address from Good Game today and I'm trying to work out what it is...

That'll be it.

 Azazelx wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Well, mine arrived today. Those are a lot of little parts.

Who's doing the local distribution for this one? A box arrived at my mailing address from Good Game today and I'm trying to work out what it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

 warboss wrote:
For those that have built Zentraedi models, can someone post a pic with the various pods next to a ruler to gauge their heights? Basically a line of the tallest normal pod, recon, arty, and glaug next to a standing ruler (kind of like the pic below) as that would help me alot. I finally started looking at my carrying case with custom foam that I bought long ago for robotech among other things and I'm not sure if the slots are big enough. I fully admit that this is laziness as I don't have the motivation to build them all myself just to find out that they're too big. If you throw some RDF stuff in their as well, that would be much appreciated.

I was going to joke about the phoenix hawk, when I zoomed in on the picture and realized it really was a phoenix hawk! Is that a kit you own Warboss? Does it fit the RRT game?

I've got a model kit that came with a "Leopard" dropship and a crusader/armored VT that FASA repurposed for their game. I've lost the dropship, but still have crusader around somewhere...

Did anyone get any pictures of the Adepticon tables, I was curious to see them?

 Stormonu wrote:


I was going to joke about the phoenix hawk, when I zoomed in on the picture and realized it really was a phoenix hawk! Is that a kit you own Warboss? Does it fit the RRT game?

I've got a model kit that came with a "Leopard" dropship and a crusader/armored VT that FASA repurposed for their game. I've lost the dropship, but still have crusader around somewhere...

Yeah, I've still got them and am actually selling them in my swap shop thread here (three almost new boxes and another dozen or so mechs built/rebuilt that I picked up used) . They're a bit too big for matching the RRPGT stuff though for a quick look but it's hard to tell exactly without building a model which I haven't done. I got them initially to try and get a heads up to recruit players for RRPGT but that was before palladium started screwing things up.

Joyboozer wrote:
That'll be it.

Nope. It was some FFG stuff that was on backorder (that I'd forgotten about).

Oh no, mouthwatering disappointment!

 Forar wrote:
A shame most of the people who got tickets (apparently 9/20 showed up, if I'm recalling the event numbers correctly?) neglected to actually attend.

If I lived near the event I would actually pay to attend and glue the models together so badly that they looked like crap on base, misaligning legs just glue missiles everywhere etc.

I would do it for the laughs. Imagine if everyone did it and palladium couldnt show a single pic of the games from the event because everything just looked crap.

I wouldnt stop laughing for weeks

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Forar wrote:
A shame most of the people who got tickets (apparently 9/20 showed up, if I'm recalling the event numbers correctly?) neglected to actually attend.

If I lived near the event I would actually pay to attend and glue the models together so badly that they looked like crap on base, misaligning legs just glue missiles everywhere etc.

I would do it for the laughs. Imagine if everyone did it and palladium couldnt show a single pic of the games from the event because everything just looked crap.

I wouldnt stop laughing for weeks

I'd point out that no one did that and Palladium still hasn't shown a single pic of the games from the event for over a week... Marketing, Siembieda style!

The only pics I've seen have been from attendees and put on Mike's page. I think someone might have shared a few links on the PBForums as well.

Whenever I'm at a convention, I make a point of selling our product as best I can, but I also have mastered getting people's attention/permission and snapping rapid shots. An ongoing photo essay entitled "the view from the cakes cove booth", as it were.

Which is to say I love chatting with people and showcasing the incredible work they put into their costumes.

I can only imagine if the booth business adopted a new product line that raked in more money than we'd seen in years, I sure as hell would snap pictures of it in action.

I don't think anyone reasonable is expecting a 6 hour video slickly edited with footage from every game, but c'mon, did nobody at the booth think "hey, I should wander over and see how the games are going, get some pictures, show some interest/enthusiasm"?

 Forar wrote:
Whenever I'm at a convention, I make a point of selling our product as best I can, but I also have mastered getting people's attention/permission and snapping rapid shots. An ongoing photo essay entitled "the view from the cakes cove both", as it were.

Dare I say it... it sounds mouth watering... literally!


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 Forar wrote:

I don't think anyone reasonable is expecting a 6 hour video slickly edited with footage from every game, but c'mon, did nobody at the booth think "hey, I should wander over and see how the games are going, get some pictures, show some interest/enthusiasm"?

Because the same people who for many weeks a year ago thought we didn't want pics of their 3d printed that they touted as arrived and assembled and that still think we don't want/deserve updates of the wave 2 visuals attended the con? Because if they show actual pics of stuff that it won't jive with their claims made in text updates? At this point, I can't just throw it all in the laziness and stupid piles though. I suspect there is a fair amount of fear in that they'll post what they somehow thing is 98% done final mouthwatering info that will garner a collective "WTF???!?!" response for obvious reasons.

 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Whenever I'm at a convention, I make a point of selling our product as best I can, but I also have mastered getting people's attention/permission and snapping rapid shots. An ongoing photo essay entitled "the view from the cakes cove both", as it were.

Dare I say it... it sounds mouth watering... literally!

They just want to love you!

And yeah, snapped over 250 pictures at the convention last weekend. Lots of awesome costumes, and the next big local Con in September will be even better.

 warboss wrote:
Because the same people who for many weeks a year ago thought we didn't want pics of their 3d printed that they touted as arrived and assembled and that still think we don't want/deserve updates of the wave 2 visuals attended the con? Because if they show actual pics of stuff that it won't jive with their claims made in text updates? At this point, I can't just throw it all in the laziness and stupid piles though. I suspect there is a fair amount of fear in that they'll post what they somehow thing is 98% done final mouthwatering info that will garner a collective "WTF???!?!" response for obvious reasons.

There's a marked difference though. You can show pictures/video from the convention, and distance yourself from it at the same time if the quality isn't there, as it's not your product. Of course, having pictures/video of your product that you're proud to show off helps with that. It's been almost a year (Update 137, April 11th 2014) since PB thought the idea of gameplay videos and high quality pictures were a good idea, and a year later? Squadoosh.

As for the other issue, about showing 3D prototypes, and the like, and getting a "WTF???!?!", well, they should get some big boy pants, and fething own it. Either it's to the standard they think is acceptable (which given the remarks they think most of the last Update were), or they admit that it's still a work in progress like the Jotun, and use it as a means to get feedback (criticism, even if offensive, can still be constructive). This whole apparent "We're not gonna post because people are mean to us!" attitude does them no favors. It's one thing to ignore people you know will never see your way (either because they're donkey-caves, or because you've burnt your bridges with them), but to essentially punish everyone else for the actions of a few (because it's only a few, they keep telling us that)? They need to grow up, and get over themselves.

But as "the response to Robotech® RPG Tactics™ continues to be overwhelmingly favorable", which at least publicly, is easily shown to not be the case, they seem happy to sit in their delusional bubble. At this point, you've pretty much got to accept this is the norm. People keep saying "Oh, they've learnt from their mistakes!". Yeah, two years of following this campaign, and some research into the previous couple of years. No, they haven't. There's simply no need for them to.

I think the situation is worse than a denial bubble. I think they deny it publically but know how bad it is between themselves.

 Swabby wrote:
I think the situation is worse than a denial bubble. I think they deny it publically but know how bad it is between themselves.

Actually, from a business perspective, and for the future of the game, that's better. It's worse in that it'd be deceitful. But given the many public statements, and quite a few heresay private ones, I'm not convinced. I put it to some PBWK's a year or so ago, something along the lines of "PB are being either deceitful, ignorant, or apathetic, which is it?". Cause even at this late stage, I'm still not sure. It's basically a variation on Poe's law. Without a tacit admission by PB that they either know and don't care, don't know, or don't care, trying to discern the truth is quite difficult.

The Wave Two models they have shown are still cut into three times as many pieces as necessary.

They haven't learned a thing.

Merijeek wrote:
They haven't learned a thing.

And anyone who foolishly expected otherwise should get used to disappointment.

Found some pics from adepticon including this Robotech gem from dakka's own Eilif!



except that it wasn't Robotech but rather a mega scale Mech Attack game. That still counts, right?

http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2015/03/adepticon-first-timers-perspective.html