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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Dollars to donuts, those are Japanese standard Tamiya paint codes. The same ones which have been used for decades.

Can't be. The paint guides took center stage for MONTHS as "putting in the final touches on" guest stars.

At a glance, unless someone can find me the Tamiya paint code for "FFFFFF", "000000" and "FF0000" I'm pretty sure it's hex codes.

Merijeek wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Dollars to donuts, those are Japanese standard Tamiya paint codes. The same ones which have been used for decades.

Can't be. The paint guides took center stage for MONTHS as "putting in the final touches on" guest stars.

Sure, though Tamiya paint codes have been standardized for decades, and all Macross kits have reference for which colors to use. It's not hard for Palladium to simply look them up, given that they appeared to have scaled down existing kits for inspiration.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


Sure, though Tamiya paint codes have been standardized for decades, and all Macross kits have reference for which colors to use. It's not hard for Palladium to simply look them up, given that they appeared to have scaled down existing kits for inspiration.

Apparently, it was too hard for Palladium to do that though, as those codes, as stated by Forar, are HEX CODES which your computer uses to set your monitor to display the correct colour. Naff all use to us unless you can translate that into a Tamiya/Humbrol/GW/Vallejo colour (And good luck with that, BTW, I bet none of those just happen to do "Inexperienced Valyrie Brown"!)

It would have been simple for PB to just say to whoever painted the models used in the rulebooks and promo materials "Jot down which paints you used so we can pass that on to the customers", but presumably they are too afraid of getting a C&D from the paint manufacturers! <Sheesh!>

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Apparently, it was too hard for Palladium to do that though, as those codes, as stated by Forar, are HEX CODES which your computer uses to set your monitor to display the correct colour. Naff all use to us unless you can translate that into a Tamiya/Humbrol/GW/Vallejo colour (And good luck with that, BTW, I bet none of those just happen to do "Inexperienced Valyrie Brown"!)

It would have been simple for PB to just say to whoever painted the models used in the rulebooks and promo materials "Jot down which paints you used so we can pass that on to the customers", but presumably they are too afraid of getting a C&D from the paint manufacturers! <Sheesh!>

I agree that it's stupid, though I think they didn't use actual names more because they didn't want to give free advertising to someone and nobody wanted to pay PB. Similar to how you can always tell in TV shows who paid for their product to be there by whether or not the logos are showing.

However, to say that the hex codes are useless isn't entirely true; people have pretty much figured out the approximate hex codes of various paints. For example, courtesy of B&C:

Vallejo - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/Tyler/VallejoColors.pdf
GW - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276702-painter-resource-new-gw-paint-line-hex-codes/

For information far beyond what you'd ever care about or in case the lines don't have an exact match: http://encycolorpedia.com/

Again, it's dumb to have yet another step rather than just reaching some agreement with your painters and some paint company to standardize on a line, but isn't short-sighted moves that don't help their customers kind of the motif for the entire campaign?

It boggles the mind how stupidly it's been done. Pretty much any paint manufacturer would *love* to have their paints as the reference for the models. It's like a 5 minute conversation with CDA, Reaper, whomever.

New PBWU.

We have so much underway for this product line. And not just the engineering aspect of Wave Two items, we just requested a quote for a handful of new items. I have been wanting to write and post a couple of comprehensive Updates about this game line, but we have all been overwhelmed with work on several fronts from conventions and the Open House, to new product releases, plus some of the details are not yet known. Will try to get something out to our supporters soon.

That's it, pretty much. Other than them spruiking their existing products, on the RRT front, that's pretty much it in it's entirety. The "plans" they talked about in last week's PBWU? Yeah, not so much with the eventuating. Kick the can down the road for another week, and hope people don't notice, ie, business as usual.

They've been so overwhelmed. Boohoo. If they took all the time they spent on apologizing for being busy, and for promising it'll come soon, they could have a frikkin' update done. Am morbidly curious to see if they post a similarly useless message on the KS. Cause it's been almost 5 weeks since they posted anything at all, and 7 weeks since it was anything useful. And with PenguiCon this weekend, I doubt there'll be anything until the following weekend at earliest. Though as I posited previously, I wouldn't be surprised to see an Update before the back end of May.

Simbieda is creating DREAMS you peasant!

You can't expect everything to go perfectly smoothly!

They only posted something on the KS because there was A LOT of "Wave 2 won't happen".

This company is so single-minded it can only do one thing at a time (because it has to be filtered through Kevin for approval).

Right now, it's gets EU & AU out. Next step will be getting out ROW. Then back to Wave 2 renders. Then sending renders to factory for sprue layout. Wait for Chinese New Year to pass. Then producing sprue. Then fixing the issues with sprues. Then paying for incorrect sprues. Then having new sprue produced. Then saying F* it, go dig the old sprues out of the garbage bin. Then paying for revised sprues. Then waiting for sprues to be boxed in cheap cardboard. Wait - that's the wrong cardboard. Repackage in corrected cardboard boxes. Schedule a ship to pick up boxes. Wait - we forgot to order boxes. Put product in boxes. Arrange for trucks to transport to ship. Wait, the shippers want money? Pay to transport to ship. Pay for ship, or else they'll leave the stock on the pier and we'll miss Gencon. Wait for ship to cross sea. Realize it's going to land in LA. Route the other containers to NY through Panama. Pay a truck company to pick the LA shipment - oh, and while you're at it, get the stuff that's sitting in NY. Wonder why they haven't heard from the truck in 6 weeks - oh, truck was abandoned and no one noticed it was gone. Send another truck to get the first. Wait - gotta sell more Rifts to pay for that! Get the truck, realize its only 1/2 the shipment - the rest is still in China.

Announce Wave 3 and Southern Cross KS!

 Stormonu wrote:


Announce Wave 3 and Southern Cross KS!

And if they manage to keep the lights on and the doors open, there WILL be a Robotech KS 2!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:


Announce Wave 3 and Southern Cross KS!

And if they manage to keep the lights on and the doors open, there WILL be a Robotech KS 2!

You don't think maybe you've got your cause and effect reversed there?

I'll admit that they're inexorably intertwined, but they've got to get there to get there - get it?

 Alpharius wrote:
I'll admit that they're inexorably intertwined, but they've got to get there to get there - get it?

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of 'without another Kickstarter they're probably hosed anyway'. But, hey, maybe someone will buy a whole lot of dice bags.

Oh look, another week passes and still nothing more to say than "omg you guys OMG YOU DON'T EVEN!"

*eye roll*

*mildly obscene gesture*

*jazz hands*

Why only mildly obscene? What gesture was it, will you tell me eventually? How do you keep an idiot in suspense? Kevin knows.

So do I, but I'm busy right now, I'll tell you next week!*





*and when we get to Monday, 27th April, that'll be "This Week", but I'm still going to tell you Next Week!

 Forar wrote:
Oh look, another week passes and still nothing more to say than "omg you guys OMG YOU DON'T EVEN!"

*eye roll*

*mildly obscene gesture*

*jazz hands*

That just seemed so tired.

Like all your strong feelings have been drained away leaving the knowledge that you used to feel something.

 FacelessMage wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Oh look, another week passes and still nothing more to say than "omg you guys OMG YOU DON'T EVEN!"
*eye roll*
*mildly obscene gesture*
*jazz hands*

That just seemed so tired.
Like all your strong feelings have been drained away leaving the knowledge that you used to feel something.

If the definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect a different result, what translates to the audience watching the insanity?
You are left with not caring an iota for that person because they cannot be bothered to help themselves never mind recognize the damage they are doing.
Soon it will be a long silence interspersed with flogging non-core product to keep the lights on because, you-know, doing actual work is hard.

 Forar wrote:
Oh look, another week passes and still nothing more to say than "omg you guys OMG YOU DON'T EVEN!"

*eye roll*

*mildly obscene gesture*

*jazz hands*

They apparently have something in that category, TBH:

Something new and exciting. In an effort to truly expand Rifts® across the Megaverse®, in cooperation with Palladium Books, another role-playing game company is currently adapting the Rifts® Earth setting to that company’s RPG system of rules, as well as producing adventure sourcebooks. This is only the second time in Palladium’s history that an outside company will create new game material under a different set of rules. Rumor Squashing: No, Palladium is NOT going to stop publishing Rifts®, nor change to a completely different set of rules. Far from it. In fact, Palladium expects to release six new Rifts® titles in 2015 and 98% of all Rifts® titles are in stock and available for purchase right now! The idea is that by offering Rifts® via another game company’s set of popular rules it creates a parallel dimension of gaming enjoyment. An expanding Megaverse®, if you will. This is a bit of an experiment, but we are excited to see how it all unfolds.

That is... really, really unexpected. As in "OMG YOU DONT EVEN" territory... and I'm not sure it says anything good about the company's status, seeing as they adamantly refused to release anything like that during the d20 boom.

Hah, I missed the 98% on the first skim through.

They really can't help themselves when it comes to either spurious rigor or that particular number.

I wonder how that'll apply to their "NO CONVERSIONS EVAR!" stance. Inconsistently, I'm sure.

 FacelessMage wrote:
That just seemed so tired.

Like all your strong feelings have been drained away leaving the knowledge that you used to feel something.

Eh. Meh. I've made my peace with most of their bull at this point, and picking low hanging fruit for so long leaves me with the sense I risk repeating myself almost as much as they do.

Plus I suspect there'll be plenty of shenanigans to come, when we find out the Super VT's are like 50 pieces each or something.

Gotta save the 'both barrels' moments for when they're worthy, and PB's holding pattern ain't it just yet.

I wasn't trying to knock on you.

You just sounded like a weary soldier on the frontlines of Palladium versus everyone else.

Wow. The jackass actually said "98%".

Merijeek wrote:
Wow. The jackass actually said "98%".

Think of it as a binary result.

100% = Done
- Being off the premises on a slow boat to a location near you!
- 3d Models sent incompatible with the manufacturer but they gott'er dun!
- As long as they are not touching it, it is DONE! 150 gazillion%!!

<100% = Not done, sounding like a whole lot got done!
- Being a barely formed idea.
- A napkin scratching based on a barely formed idea.
- Sent off for approval by Harmony Gold, any day now, yep, getting to it...

98% of the time is just spin to let it be known that the end result will be well in advance of the heat death of the universe.
To get fully in touch of my back-bitey (back-bitter?) ways, I could make the "Kevin interpretation guide" coming to a KS near you!

I view it like NASCAR.

I don't watch for the running around in circles. I'm watching to comment on the spectacular crashes.

I'd enjoy a Savage Worlds (or FATE) conversions of Rifts. Might make it playable.

 Stormonu wrote:
I view it like NASCAR.

I don't watch for the running around in circles. I'm watching to comment on the spectacular crashes.

I'd enjoy a Savage Worlds (or FATE) conversions of Rifts. Might make it playable.

Hahaha!!!
Great analogy!!!

Quick question for any other RoW people eg Sining.

Have you received your Wave 1 stuff or a notification of postage email yet?

I think I figured out this 98% number. Kevin must believe that coming up with the idea (and they obviously all come from him) is actually 98% of the work. The remaining 2% is the simple task of handing the idea off to another employee to turn it into a tangible product.

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Quick question for any other RoW people eg Sining.

Have you received your Wave 1 stuff or a notification of postage email yet?

So far, zip.

 HudsonD wrote:

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Quick question for any other RoW people eg Sining.

Have you received your Wave 1 stuff or a notification of postage email yet?

So far, zip.

So, what you're saying is that it's 98% complete. Excellent!

The Palladium creative process...

1) Thinking

2) Working

3) Congratulating

4) Procrastinating

5) Ignoring

6) Covering

7) Pretending

8) Misdirecting

9) Apologizing

10) Blaming

11) Repeat #3-10 another 12 times

.....

98) Paying

99) Working

100) Shipping


If you just follow the above, you'll quite clearly see that they could easily be right before #98 and therefore correct.