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**n815e**

Suddenly he knows how to use email?

**warboss**

n815e wrote:
Suddenly he knows how to use email?

Like I said, now it's his stuff missing and not that of 5,000+ backers so he can set up a special email. I bet you he'll respond almost instantly to emails about his missing doodles unlike queries about where the feth 2/3 of our sculpts and almost half of our minis are.

**Forar**

I'd say that if they don't finally cough up something about Wave 2 by next weekend (having a rapt audience of Fan Friends on board to gush and coo and high five them being something I can't see them passing up), we might actually have a sign that there's serious trouble afoot. (like, moreso than usual, that is)

Spending nearly 3 months teasing an info dump and letting that kind of opportunity pass them by would be highly out of character.

After that, it might just be time to start believing the conspiracy theories about them being broke (or on the verge of it). And y'know what? At this point if they had to eat a gak sandwich and face some consequences of their terrible business practices, I might be willing to accept that trade off.

Oh, and something funny. Y'know how they never seem to ever participate in the comments? Like, it's literally been 10 months since they last said anything? That counter can be reset.

Creator Palladium Books 1 day ago

@Howard Browning: We are not going to deny you or anyone else their rewards. Rest of World packages have been shipping for weeks now and continue to do so. That you have not yet received yours is simply luck of the draw, and not the result of a plan to rob anyone. I'm am very sorry for how long it is taking to get them all shipped, let alone the time it is taking to get Wave Two manufactured and shipped.

So apparently they do read the comments and will respond.

You just have to push the right button to make it happen.

**Merijeek**

Like I said on KS, the "button" that was questioned wasn't because Howard was missing his stuff and wanted a refund. The "button" was that Howard questioned their license to sell in Asia.

**Forar**

Oh no doubt, it's a fine point.

But getting them to actually poke their head out is surprising all the same.

Funny. Rick can rant about legal action for months and we all know its toothless. Say just the right thing though...

**JohnHwangDD**

I would like to at least see something of the MAC-II Monster. That is really the only item I backed for.

**stanman**

After years of successfully flogging their first installment PB announces Crisis of Treachery II

Spoiler:

Somehow this doesn't generate any sympathy.

**Forar**

What happened to:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
January 14th, 2015:

If Wave 2 takes another year, fine by me.

?

By that standard, they have at least another 8 months!

Surely PB's lackadaisical approach to conveying information on this project isn't getting to you too?

:-P

**Conrad Turner**

warboss wrote:
Another weekly update from Palladium hit my inbox and it is just bursting at the virtual seams with new info on RRPGT after all these weeks of waiting. I don't want to bombard you all with it in one go so I've spoilered it below to prevent massive page down tapping. The following is the massive update on 5,000 folks missing stuff.

Spoiler:

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
We have never stopped working on a number of RRT items and I hope to have some exciting news to announce very soon. It’s coming.

In comparison, his missing doodles from before most of us were born or out of diapers got this much coverage in the update.

<Snip>

warboss wrote:

I'm just glad that he values the missing $700,000 USD worth of Robotech items that we're waiting for now going on two years so much compared to the sketch he did of the Star Trek TOS cast 30 years ago so that the later got a higher word count than the former.

In comparison, he spent more time saying "Happy Birthday" than he did about RRT. That's probably why he learned to write an e-mail, to say Happy birthday.

Can anyone say for definate that this missing artwork is a recent event? Or is it that he has only just opened his eyes after the Crisis of Treachery (TM) and just noticed that they're missing? If the latter, we may get some news and actual progress on wave 2 and beyond, in about 7,060 days. (Just after I retire!)

**Albertorius**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
It just gets better and better.

How is it that Kevin has zero security for valuable stuff? Did he learn nothing from Crisis of Treachery?

Oh, he absolutely learned something. That begging to his hardcore fans gives him money.

**JohnHwangDD**

Forar wrote:
What happened to:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
January 14th, 2015:

If Wave 2 takes another year, fine by me.

?

By that standard, they have at least another 8 months!

Surely PB's lackadaisical approach to conveying information on this project isn't getting to you too?

:-P

I'd just like to see a sign that the stuff I split and paid for is actually going to deliver by then. That's all. I think that 2 months silence is excessive if they are going to finish production mid-October to complete delivery by mid-Jan.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I wonder if he stored all that art in black refuse sacks right beside the bins?

**wilycoyote**

Hmmm Probably just my conspiracy theory mind, but this does seem to be a lot of stuff for someone just to walk up , casuallly put in a bag and walk away. Where was it taken from and why if it happenned before did yu not take better precautions? Need money from the insurance or the loyal fans?

That aside all of a sudden KS, in the middlre of a hectic 18 hour day, can put together a long rambling mail, plus birthday greeting, but noone at PB in two months can update the KS backers or even write more than one line in the update.

Sorry mate, I laugh at you rather than sympathise, who knows it might be a disgruntled backer, holding your suff ransom in lieu of getting their stuff - hope they make you wait a couple of years with promises of its coming , homest it is.

**warboss**

I don't know for sure this is a new event. When the original CrisisTM ofTM TreacheryTM occurred, it also included a bunch of stolen art including his own doodles along with the original cover art and plates to reprint older 1990's rifts titles that weren't digital at all. That was supposedly one of the reasons they "embraced" digital files on drive thru rpg because they literally couldn't reprint some titles and doing a proper digital version would require work that is best spent on copy/pasting weekly updates and dice bagsTM.

If this is a new theft/crisis, I hereby nominate it the Crisis of Treacheryer. When the inevitable dastardly loss of all the robotech wave 2 items they planned to ship us happens (which will of course not affect the separately store direct sale/con sale stock of the same stuff), that will be the Crisis of Treacheriest.

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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if he stored all that art in black refuse sacks right beside the bins?

If it is anything by Kent Burles (one of their older and worst artists), they stored it correctly.

http://www.kentburles.ca/rifts-juicer/

**Merijeek**

Puh-lease. Everyone knows that every half-assed sequel needs to be suffixed with "Electric Bougaloo" and have extraneous colons.

So it's Crisis of Treachery II: Electric Bougaloo: Treacher Harder

And wow, that Juicer is terrible. However, unlike Kevin Long's "art" that guy at least isn't interchangeable with every other character he drew. Long's are - just switch the hair and armor and it's yet another character with a new face.

**Alpharius**

OK - I'm probably going to regret this but...

...Crisis of Treachery?

Link to details?

**Cyporiean**

Alpharius wrote:
OK - I'm probably going to regret this but...

...Crisis of Treachery?

Link to details?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_Books#Embezzlement_case_and_financial_difficulties

**JohnHwangDD**

I haven't been to their page for a while, so I love that Palladium's Wiki page has been updated to note their delays on RRT - that's gold.

I guess it's time for another update to cover Crisis of Treachery II.
____

@warboss: "treacherier" doesn't work, because that presumes that there will be a third Crisis, and no more. You honestly believe that Kevin has his gak together to prevent Crisis 3 and Crisis 4?

**Merijeek**

Please note that the original "Crisis of Treasury" and the dollar amounts involved were mostly collectibles and stuff. So, while it may have sucked for Kevin, his original Data-Still-In-Box-With-The-Starfleet-Logo-On-The-Wrong-Side with a value of Infinity Billion dollars really shouldn't have affected the function of Palladium Books in the slightest.

ETA: Until a reread I didn't even realize I'd put "treasury". Paging Dr. Freud!

**FacelessMage**

You can get a lot more mileage out of Crisis of Treachery if you start using DC comics naming schemes.

Just off of the top of my head:
Infinite Crisis of Treachery
The Treachery Crisis
The Crisis of Infinite Treacheries
Crisis of Final Treacheries
Final Treachery Crisis

**warboss**

Merijeek wrote:
Puh-lease. Everyone knows that every half-assed sequel needs to be suffixed with "Electric Bougaloo" and have extraneous colons.

So it's Crisis of Treachery II: Electric Bougaloo: Treacher Harder

And wow, that Juicer is terrible. However, unlike Kevin Long's "art" that guy at least isn't interchangeable with every other character he drew. Long's are - just switch the hair and armor and it's yet another character with a new face.

Actually, Kevin Long is one of my two favorite gaming artists along with Ghislain Barbe. I'll definitely disagree there but to each his own and YMMV etc. The one thing I actually regret not being able to do is buy his art at the open house. I missed out on some of Kevin's stash sold on ebay during the Crisis part 1.

**Cypher-xv**

The artwork in dead reign is terrible as in most pb books. I like so far Chuck Walton and Amy Ashbugh. I notice that some of the terrible artist don't have any formal training. There just longtime fan friends. The lack of training shows when you see how badly the proportions are on the people and creatures in the books.

The Kevin Long art is ok. A bit to Cartoony for my tastes.besides I heard he got in trouble years ago for art plagiarism.

**warboss**

Cypher-xv wrote:
The Kevin Long art is ok. A bit to Cartoony for my tastes.besides I heard he got in trouble years ago for art plagiarism.

If you find a link about that, let me know as I'd be genuinely curious to read about it. After he split from Palladium, I remember seeing him at an indy game company booth at gencon (no pun intended) and then didn't hear anything for over a decade until I saw that he was the creative director for that Wolfenstein console/pc game a few years back.

**Sining**

So I've been looking at the RRT stuff I received recently. Opened the Stretch goal bag, tried to assemble a veritech, saw that its head was split into two and the scale of it... Glued some 1/2 arms together and then I promptly put the core box up for sale.

The miniature is really really horrible to put together

**warboss**

Welcome to the world of RRPGT! :( I'm not selling mine but neither have I put anything together after seeing it in person.

**Evil_Toast**

Well, got notification my Wave 1 stuff is on it's way from A Merry Car.

Now, an assembly question. What glue do you use on ABS plastic? Been using this glue for years, will it work?

Any other brands recommended?

**JohnHwangDD**

This is regular polystyrene plastic, not black ABS - you can use regular model cement. I prefer Testors gel in the orange tube, and mine went together just fine.

If you prefer liquid with the needle applicator, that should also work fine.

**Albertorius**

Evil_Toast wrote:
Well, got notification my Wave 1 stuff is on it's way from A Merry Car.

Now, an assembly question. What glue do you use on ABS plastic? Been using this glue for years, will it work?

Any other brands recommended?

I have that one. No problems whatsoever.

**Evil_Toast**

Strange. Thought it was ABS plastic. Oh well, looks like my list of things to try get here got slightly easier.

**legoburner**

While this is probably one of the worst possible places to push a kickstarter, I did want to take a moment to point out the latest robots revealed for Maelstrom's Edge, for those who are more about the mecha than robotech in particular:

You can see pictures of the sprues for the big guy here and the smaller one here. The sprues are sliding core, so no two-part legs to put together - they are extremely simple to assemble, and the sprues are already done, so you know exactly what you'll get with these.