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Tried out a new 2000 point list today and had a really good game with it...let me know what you think:

HQ
Coteaz, divination - 100 points
OM Inquisitor, power armour, psyker (divination) - 63

Elites
10 Purifiers, 2 hammers, 2 incinerators, psybolt - 270
10 Purifiers, 2 hammers, 2 incinerators, psybolt - 270

Troops
10 Terminators, 2 hammers, 8 halberds, 2 psycannon, psybolt - 470
Henchmen Warband, 5 bolter acolytes, 2 crusaders, 3 plasma cannon servitors - 115

Fast Attack
Stormraven, multi melta, assault cannon, hurricane bolters, psybolt - 255

Heavy Support
Land Raider Crusader, multi melta, psybolt - 270
Nemesis Dreadknight, greatsword, heavy incinerator - 185

Coteaz goes with the henchmen for rerolling plasma goodness and hope for misfortune or perfect timing. The OM inquisitor is with a purifier squad in the landraider while the other purifier squad is in the stormraven. The terminators and dreadknight deepstrike.

Hardly a Purified list I have more purifiers at 1500. And more fire power... purifiers without psycannons makes me sad also Halberds are too cheap not to take.

Terminators are meh.

Solo landraiders are a very bad idea against competent players.

Coteaz is basically wasted in this list.

There is literally nothing in this list that pulls in the same direction or is well thought out.

Ouch! Those are some fine interpersonal skills you have there my friend.

What can I say I'm just a naturally nice guy. Though I feel I should warn you I don't get sarcasm.

Or laid?

Really? On a forum to discuss a game of toy soldiers you're going to try "smack talk" about how often someone pulls? You really think that is a way to improve your social standing?

Believe it or not, improving my social standing in life isn't one of my main reasons for posting here. Constructive criticism however, is. With that in mind, I apologise for questioning your virility...I'm sure your life is full of tang...now, what would you run at 2000?

All your Purifiers need as many psycannons as you can take. If you want Purified heavy then take Crowd as Terminators don't dovetail well with Purifiers.

My preferred load out for Purified is 5 guys with 2 Psycannons 2 Halberds a hammer and a Rhino. Just sit in the rhino firing both psycannons out of the top all day. For this list good support options are Psyrifle Dreads, Coteaz and gunboat Stormravens.

If you're running a Landraider you need to take 2 at least. Everyone can deal with a landraider but with the reduced melta around in 6th, 2 or 3 Landraiders will cause most people problems. Terminators and Paladins and Dreadknights dovetail well with Landraiders.

But first you need to have an idea what you want the list to do as a whole. Shooting is key to Grey Knights and psycannons are the best gun in the game so everyone should always take them if they can. So decide if you want to be defensive then pick units that sit in midfield all day shooting. If you want to be aggressive make sure you have a way to get into assault. But remember that shooting is still a massive part of your army. If you have a unit that is a threat you need to have 2 of them. You need to have in your army redundancy, duel threat and target saturation. Everything needs to have a plan and then you need to get stuff that helps the overall plan and not take options that don't.

Hope this helps.

But surely Crowe's lack of ID and the incredible squishiness of rhinos means you're always giving away first blood? Also, 5 man squads in 6th don't last long.

This is designed to be an aggressive force...the two large squads of purifier get into combat asap with their assault vehicals, hence the incinerators which, coupled with cleansing flame, make a hefty dent even against entrenched units. No point paying the extra 40 point per squad for psycannons for a unit which will be spending most of its time in close combat, plus wall of flame is invaluable for a melee based unit.

Coteaz and the henchmen sit on a back objective providing support with plasma and dealing with deepstrikers in a fairly fatal fashion, while the terminators drop either as a 10 man or two 5's to hold forward objectives depending on the level of attrition the enemy has suffered when they arrive. The dreadknight arriving behind their lines is an added big scary worry for them to deal with.

I really don't see the problem with this list...it's been working well for me...

Cleansing flame and incinerators do the same job and with casualties being removed from the front incinerators become a liability. Psycannons help you more against heavy infantry and crucially help you against transports and other vehicles. Incinerators are terrible on Purifiers they also reduce combat res from CF.

Crowd shouldn't give up FB unless you're a moron. Rhinos can and that is a danger. But with 6 squads pumping out 48 S7 rending shots a turn supported by psyrifle dreads you should table most armies.

As for your plan if you want to do that then both squads need to be in a LR or both in a SR. They need Halberds so they go first and still need psycannons to ensure they are not scratching at rhinos.

The Terminators and DK do a similar job in different ways. You should decide which you want and take 2 of that option. DK would fit better with your assault focus.

Coteaz gives very little benefit to a PC. No reroll on the gets hot can scupper you before you roll any dice to hit. Whilst the rest of the squad is also not doing too much. With no transport to hide in they are easy to deal with. Again literally nothing in your list is taken in an effective manner. Against a competent opponent you lose.

Coteaz can give rerollable scatter, ignore cover, invulnerable saves...plus rerollable plasma is crazy with I've Been Expecting You.

The DK and termies fill nowhere near the same roll, DK isn't scoring.

Psycannons wound from the front too, so your anti-incinerator stand is rubbish. They certainly don't need psycannon to pop rhinos...hammers, strength 6 templates and weight of strength 5 fire should do fine.

Sooo many inconsistencies in what you're saying...think I'll be ignoring this. Thanks though.

Yes hammers kill Rhinos but if you're using them you're doing something wrong. Just a question how many Tournaments have you won with your GKs?

I don't play tournaments, just with friends.

Your list may work in a non competitive environment but all the advice flingitnow is good if you dont want advice on how to make the list more competitive what are you looking for all of us to tell you how good your list is, myself i don't run grey knights except for allies with my necrons, but I think a lot of your choices don't work well together.

I take Coteaz in a squad of purifiers with 4 psycannons to make the most of his prescience and his ive been expecting you.

Crowe is a good choice for a second hq to make your purifiers troops, in a purifier list you don't have many of them. you shouldn't be giving 1st blood with him as he should be hidden in a squad. same reason you don't give 1st blood with Coteaz and his t3

Your dreadknight doesn't have a personal teleporter I know they are expensive but dread knights are not worth taking without one, a competent player will not allow you to use your dreadknight effectively. plus if your using dreadknights they work best in 2's drop the land raider and take 2 with personal teleporter.

I would also drop the terminator squad and add in another purifier squad with psycannons as much as you seem to prefer incinerators psycannons are simply the best weapon in the codex and they need spamming.

I'm not sure about the henchmen unit i would take a small cheap squad in the stormraven for last turn objective capping Coteaz would be best in a unit of purifiers so dropping them and taking another purifier squad with the points saved from the terminators would probably be best.

Erm, Crowe can't hide in a squad, he's not an independent character...

Fair enough just stick him in reserve then or out of los. im not 100% with all the codex choices.

That's a complete waste of points though...turns Crowe back into a tax.

I would agree if you only took the 2 purifiers but with 3 or 4 its worth it.

My other problem with Crowe, other than the cost, is he takes an HQ slot in a army with so many other good HQ choices.

I understand that but you take him for the ability to spam purifiers and have them score to be honest if your playing with freinds you probably dont want a spammy tournament army and i wouldn't worry and take what you have been taking.

Crowd is awesome! Situation al but awesome. Leave out of LoS and counter attack with him. Cleansing flame + defensive stance is hilarious against Hordes and genestealers. Or just chuck him at a big nasty and do a trade. Also chuck him at any tac type squad and laugh. Also this and he breaks the game with Purifier spam not like he did in 5th but its still a power house army.

seanmillsox wrote:
Tried out a new 2000 point list today and had a really good game with it...let me know what you think:

HQ
Coteaz, divination - 100 points
OM Inquisitor, power armour, psyker (divination) - 63

Decent set up for your HQ's. If you can find the points, it might be worthwhile to upgrade the OM inqusitor to a Terminator with a Psycannon. It is not all that expensive (about 50 points more for a 2+ 5++ and a relenless psycanon).

Elites
10 Purifiers, 2 hammers, 2 incinerators, psybolt - 270
10 Purifiers, 2 hammers, 2 incinerators, psybolt - 270

GK squads are not really assault units. They are generalists. They have above average power in both the shooting and the assault phase, but this makes them very expensive.

They do not have the assault power to fight other units that are strong in the assault phase. You shoot stuff that is good in the assault phase.
They do not really have the power to win a shooting war with good shooting units, you assault stuff that is good in the shooting phase.


Compare the assault power of a Purifier to a DCA/Crusader. A purifier with a halberd is 28 pts. A DCA and a Crusader is 30 points.

DCA/Crusader has 2 wounds instead of 1 and a 3++ save as well. T3 is less of an issue when everything is dead before they hit back.
The DCA has better WS. more attacks, can hold a Power sword and an Ax. Then you get a couple more attacks from the Crusader as well.
You lose Hammerhand, but your power Ax makes up for the loss in Str. Can even take a Mace if you feel the need.
You lose Cleansing flame, but your dedicated assault unit does NOT want to get tied up in a "Horde unit"


If you want a "Pure" assault unit to ride around in a Land Raider or a Storm Raven, then you should go for a henchmen assault unit. (it would even be scoring as you already have Coteaz)



Purifiers are great as they are a threat in the shooting and the assault phase, even in small units.

5 guys with 2 psycanons shooting out of the top of a rhino is a big threat. with a 24" move and shoot range, you can keep away from dangerous assault unit easily while still dealing damage.

5 guys with 2 attacks, Halberds to hit first, and cleansing flame, are going to deal damage in the assault phase as well. You can run in and beat up some Tau, Guard, ect. so they don't shoot you dead.



Psycannons are great guns, I would argue one of the best in all of 40k. It makes your GK units a threat to everything. S7 to deal damage to Tanks and Monsters, Lots of shots for horde units, Rending for low save units. 24" range is pretty good as well. It does not excel in any one area but it is above average against lots of different targets.

Incinerators are only okay. They are only really a threat to horde units at short range. You already have Cleansing Flame to be a threat to horde units at short range, do you really need more than that? Also, shooting before you assault is usually a bad idea. it gives the enemy a chance to fail a morale test and run away, or you simply kill enough models that you are out of assault range.

Troops
10 Terminators, 2 hammers, 8 halberds, 2 psycannon, psybolt - 470
Henchmen Warband, 5 bolter acolytes, 2 crusaders, 3 plasma cannon servitors - 115

Simply put, you do not have enough troops for a 2K game.

10 terminators is a big brick of a unit, but they cant be everywhere on the table. You can combat squad, but that still only gives you 3 troops units.


Your henchmen unit should be hiding in cover. In that case it would be better to have 6 dudes with bolters and a 4+ cover save than the 2 crusaders. Much more durability. Fit as many bolters in the unit as you can.

This unit can only really hold an objective on your side of the board that is also in cover. That is not always going to be the case every game.


Running this few troops, and running troops that are not that mobile means that even if you deal serious damage, you may lose to objectives. A good opponent is going to be able to take out your scoring units very quickly at this point level, and force you to play for a Draw at best.

Fast Attack
Stormraven, multi melta, assault cannon, hurricane bolters, psybolt - 255

Heavy Support
Land Raider Crusader, multi melta, psybolt - 270

Simply put, Land Raiders are not as durable as you might think.

Melta and Lance weapons kill them on the Damage table
Hawire and Gauss weapons kill them with hull points

Your Land Raider might be very durable, if the enemy does not have these weapon types.
Play against Necrons or Dark Eldar where these weapon types are VERY common, and your Land Raider will die on turn 1 or 2.


I would rather see a second Storm Raven, than a Land Raider in this list. At 2k, most list can deal with a single flyer or a single AV 14 tank. It is harder to deal with 2 flyers than it is one of each.
Also the storm raven has more mobility and more firepower than the Land Raider as well.

Nemesis Dreadknight, greatsword, heavy incinerator - 185

Slow but powerful setup for a Knight.


Be careful of how much stuff you put into reserves. You may have some trouble with your starting force getting wiped off the table before your reserves come on. You only have a T3 infantry unit and a Land Raider with 10 MEQ in it on the table to start the game. A lot of 2K list could kill that much stuff in 1-2 shooting phases with some luck.



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Crowe was decent in 5th edition, but a lot of the changes to 6th edition make him way worse.

He was okay in a mech list where he could steal a ride and go on a suicide mission. With Slay the Warlord and First blood, he becomes a huge liability, and a suicide mission is less viable.

Also the changes to assaulting out of transports really hurt his ability to be useful as well. He has the ability to be very good in the assault phase once he gets there, but most lists are able to shoot him down before he gets there (or even with overwatch shooting)

A Full Purifier list was very powerful in 5th edition, as MSU/Mech was what was powerful in the BRB, and Purifers filled that role very well in the GK codex.
A lot of the rule changes to 6th edition were basically making MSU/Mech less powerful. Purifiers are still good at it, but it is less powerful overall.





HOWEVER, Crowe is not the only way to get scoring purifiers in the GK codex.

a Grand Master with Grand Strategy can make purifiers scoring as well. Grand Masters are good a buffing a unit with Rad and Blind Grenades, and they give you the freedom to write your list in a very different way. You can take only 2 TROOPS units at 2k, and still have enough SCORING bodies to get the job done.


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[Remember, a lot of how you build a list depends on the Local Metagame. If you are only playing with friends, and those friends only play horde armies, then your lists are going to look very different from the guy who only plays against Flyer-Spam, ect. take all advice that you see here with that mind set. What works against your friends, your local shop may not work as well against what I tend to play against.]