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New FAQs out, PFG now does not extend from the hull if embarked, nor does it protect the vehicle :(

DWA is finally cleared up, as I suspected DWA units DO count towards reserves limit

Not sure this thread is really warranted but while it's here:

They also Errata'd it so Deathwing Terminators who take TH/SS or Twin LCs trade their storm bolter and power fist, not all weapons, thus clearing up the "can they take a cyclone?" question.

Yep, shocking that they would want DWA to actually follow the rules, and not some made up version where they get to ignore a restriction by being "forced" to DS.

Well that kinda sucks but it could be worse, they did give belial an iron halo though. They also stated that the banner of devisation does work on hurricane bolters, which is nice to see in writing.

Main FAQ also clears up a lot of threads on here that wasnt resolved, like drop pods NOT taking hull points, the silly post I saw where someone argued gun slinger meant he could fire two PSA, swarms taking double damage when being instakilled etc

Wow i'm gobsmacked about the DW reserves ruling. Just wow, a total kick in the you know whats to pure deathwing armies.

There is a nice addition to the ravenwing command squads tho. They can now be 5 members strong.

But sad panda face overall for DW armies since they are now even harder to field than before.

 Holy~Heretic wrote:
Wow i'm gobsmacked about the DW reserves ruling. Just wow, a total kick in the you know whats to pure deathwing armies.

There is a nice addition to the ravenwing command squads tho. They can now be 5 members strong.

But sad panda face overall for DW armies since they are now even harder to field than before.

Wow, totally missed that!, thats a lot more interesting having 5 in a RW command squad.

To be honest, with the daemons losing all reserve rule and only marines being able to do it I suspected DW would lose all reserve armies as well.

It's not harder to field a DW army. You just now have to decide if you are willing to risk slogging across the field or take some tac squads to hold the back so you can DS all of your DW.

Though I expected the FAQ to go the way it did, I still had hoped that DW might have been an exception.

It was obviously going to go that way, why would Deathwing be allowed to drop their entire army on turn 1? That would be ridiculously OP Drop pod armies can't drop all their drop pods.

 Infreak wrote:
It's not harder to field a DW army. You just now have to decide if you are willing to risk slogging across the field or take some tac squads to hold the back so you can DS all of your DW.

Though I expected the FAQ to go the way it did, I still had hoped that DW might have been an exception.

I mean it makes DW alot less competitive, something they were far from in the first place.

The ruling on the power field generators makes me very sad since I used a techmarine in a vehicle with a PFG to shield 2 or 3 other vehicles on a regular basis. Though, I suspected that this would eventually be ruled out. It was a bit OP. I think I might try simply stacking 3 tanks close together and put the Techmarine out of sight behind them.

This came out of the left field and I never anticipated this: "Any Deathwing Terminator can replace his storm bolter and powerfist with ...."
Now I have to remove the Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield from my seargents.... really unhappy about this since I thought they were my most good looking terminator models.

I sounded stupid at home as I let out a sound of surprise at reading that the Black Knight could take an extra two men. I might actually try Ravenwing+SoD.

For the deathwing army completelly in reserve: I never interpreted it like this, so nothing changed for me.

Finally, the rulling on the Standard of Devastation and the Hurricane bolter took me by surprise. I never used this combination as I was completelly convinced that the FAQ would rule it out but, surprisingly, it can be done!
So now my PFG techmarine will go in a Land Raider Crusader.

The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.
Why would they remove the ability of the Sargeant to take a TH/SS? Doesn't make sense.

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.
Why would they remove the ability of the Sargeant to take a TH/SS? Doesn't make sense.

This came out of the left field and I never anticipated this: "Any Deathwing Terminator can replace his storm bolter and powerfist with ...."
Now I have to remove the Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield from my seargents.... really unhappy about this since I thought they were my most good looking terminator models.

They didn't remove that change. It says any MODEL may replace his SB/PF with .. and then include a TH/SS in the replacements. The Sgt is a model.

Rorschach9 wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.
Why would they remove the ability of the Sargeant to take a TH/SS? Doesn't make sense.

This came out of the left field and I never anticipated this: "Any Deathwing Terminator can replace his storm bolter and powerfist with ...."
Now I have to remove the Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield from my seargents.... really unhappy about this since I thought they were my most good looking terminator models.

They didn't remove that change. It says any MODEL may replace his SB/PF with .. and then include a TH/SS in the replacements. The Sgt is a model.

The Sgt. is a model who lacks a Power Fist and thus does not meet the requirements to swap.

 Happyjew wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.
Why would they remove the ability of the Sargeant to take a TH/SS? Doesn't make sense.

This came out of the left field and I never anticipated this: "Any Deathwing Terminator can replace his storm bolter and powerfist with ...."
Now I have to remove the Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield from my seargents.... really unhappy about this since I thought they were my most good looking terminator models.

They didn't remove that change. It says any MODEL may replace his SB/PF with .. and then include a TH/SS in the replacements. The Sgt is a model.

The Sgt. is a model who lacks a Power Fist and thus does not meet the requirements to swap.

Ah, good point.

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.
Why would they remove the ability of the Sargeant to take a TH/SS? Doesn't make sense.

What? They dont effect transports anymore? Where do you get that from? The ork mekboy generator thing works on transports...

Removing the ability for a Sargeant to take a TH/SS does strike me as a bit odd. Maybe it was one of those rare poorly thought out changes...

 Infreak wrote:
Removing the ability for a Sargeant to take a TH/SS does strike me as a bit odd. Maybe it was one of those rare poorly thought out changes...

You mean like this one:

Q: The Farseer Psychic Powers rules state that they do not require the
Eldar Psyker to have line of sight to the target. Does this mean that they
can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a Transport? (p28)
A: No.

You'd think they would have fixed that, but no. They felt it was more important to clarify that Mind War allows Cover Saves.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Infreak wrote:
Removing the ability for a Sargeant to take a TH/SS does strike me as a bit odd. Maybe it was one of those rare poorly thought out changes...

You mean like this one:

Q: The Farseer Psychic Powers rules state that they do not require the
Eldar Psyker to have line of sight to the target. Does this mean that they
can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a Transport? (p28)
A: No.

You'd think they would have fixed that, but no. They felt it was more important to clarify that Mind War allows Cover Saves.

And LOS, very against the fluff! lol.

LOS! doesn't bother me that much. I've only used the power a couple times to snipe certain models (such as the HW guy).

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.

Crap! You're right. Its even worse than I thought!

 paqman wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.

Crap! You're right. Its even worse than I thought!

It should at least give it to the vehicle it is in. Silly ruling.

Ironically, you could have the Techmarine on foot in between 3 vehicles and they would get the benefit. (wedge formation, 2 with 1 in front and techmarine in the middle)

40k-noob wrote:

 paqman wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.

Crap! You're right. Its even worse than I thought!

It should at least give it to the vehicle it is in. Silly ruling.

Ironically, you could have the Techmarine on foot in between 3 vehicles and they would get the benefit. (wedge formation, 2 with 1 in front and techmarine in the middle)

Thinking on a bike might be better for measuring from the base, this is what I will be running now instead of on foot well in transport on foot.

I am pretty sure somebody owes me a name change. Anyhow I was right on everything pre-faq so it makes me happy.

CML TH/SS is clearly legal...it always has been
DWA counts towards reserves..duh
The Sgt losing the TH/SS option for challenges kinda sucks but oh well.

tgf wrote:


CML TH/SS is clearly legal...it always has been

To be fair it was not that clear. It needed a Errata not just a FAQ it was written badly

tgf wrote:
I am pretty sure somebody owes me a name change. Anyhow I was right on everything pre-faq so it makes me happy.

CML TH/SS is clearly legal...it always has been
DWA counts towards reserves..duh
The Sgt losing the TH/SS option for challenges kinda sucks but oh well.

Not just challenges, against shooting too. Sarge with TH/SS eats any AP1/2 and I try to LOS anything else onto the other guys. That's no longer possible, if you take a TH/SS he keeps eating all wounds until he dies.

I for one am happy that i can now add more bikes to my Ravenwing command squad, even if it costs 40 pts to do so... Happy days!

40k-noob wrote:

 paqman wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
The PFG won't even effect the transport it's in anymore.

Crap! You're right. Its even worse than I thought!

It should at least give it to the vehicle it is in. Silly ruling.

Ironically, you could have the Techmarine on foot in between 3 vehicles and they would get the benefit. (wedge formation, 2 with 1 in front and techmarine in the middle)

That's exactly what I will do.

I think its ridiculous that the PFG doesnt even affect the transport that is carrying the techmarine/librarian. As its been pointed out - being outside would protech the LR. I guess they just wanted to allow enemies to shoot the PFG character dead.

Or give him a Bike to keep up, get T5 and a Jink.