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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 08:54:30
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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It does kind of beg the question - If GK coule be made immune to any kind of corruption - then why not spread that secret around the rest of the IoM and forever rid the Imperium of the taint of Chaos? Elinate the risk of ANYONE falling to chaos and it will just burn itself out eventually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 12:48:23
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Praxiss wrote:It does kind of beg the question - If GK coule be made immune to any kind of corruption - then why not spread that secret around the rest of the IoM and forever rid the Imperium of the taint of Chaos? Elinate the risk of ANYONE falling to chaos and it will just burn itself out eventually.
Because the selection process for the Grey Knights is nigh on impossible to pass. You have to be a psyker and you've got to live through the training.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 15:04:08
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Praxiss wrote:It does kind of beg the question - If GK coule be made immune to any kind of corruption - then why not spread that secret around the rest of the IoM and forever rid the Imperium of the taint of Chaos? Elinate the risk of ANYONE falling to chaos and it will just burn itself out eventually.
Because the selection process for the Grey Knights is nigh on impossible to pass. You have to be a psyker and you've got to live through the training.
That, and Aegis PA probably costs as much to make as a Baneblade, and those aren't exactly common.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 18:06:56
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Selym wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Praxiss wrote:It does kind of beg the question - If GK coule be made immune to any kind of corruption - then why not spread that secret around the rest of the IoM and forever rid the Imperium of the taint of Chaos? Elinate the risk of ANYONE falling to chaos and it will just burn itself out eventually.
Because the selection process for the Grey Knights is nigh on impossible to pass. You have to be a psyker and you've got to live through the training.
That, and Aegis PA probably costs as much to make as a Baneblade, and those aren't exactly common.
So they have special anti-daemon power armour as well? (honest question - i've never read any of their fluff). So what if, for example, a single sqaud was lost on a Daemon world - their Aegis armour rendered inactive - no support or resupply possible - completely cut off...... and they were set upon by Tzeentch with the express idea of turngin them through desperation and torture.....still woudl never happen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 18:22:44
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Praxiss wrote: Selym wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Praxiss wrote:It does kind of beg the question - If GK coule be made immune to any kind of corruption - then why not spread that secret around the rest of the IoM and forever rid the Imperium of the taint of Chaos? Elinate the risk of ANYONE falling to chaos and it will just burn itself out eventually.
Because the selection process for the Grey Knights is nigh on impossible to pass. You have to be a psyker and you've got to live through the training.
That, and Aegis PA probably costs as much to make as a Baneblade, and those aren't exactly common.
So they have special anti-daemon power armour as well? (honest question - i've never read any of their fluff). So what if, for example, a single sqaud was lost on a Daemon world - their Aegis armour rendered inactive - no support or resupply possible - completely cut off...... and they were set upon by Tzeentch with the express idea of turngin them through desperation and torture.....still woudl never happen?
The thing with GK fanatics is that they refuse to accept that anything could ever happen to a GK. I agree with you here. They have anti-daemon armour for a reason, it's because no matter how tough your soul is, there is always a tougher daemon (or god), and the aegis (as it's called) is a giant "feth off" sign to most daemons. But, when it's broken, the GK have less protection.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/25 22:04:49
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Grey Knights = pre-Heresy Thoundsand Sons. I say go for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 03:41:30
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Furious Raptor
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If you treasure your sanity or just have a little bit of taste you are better off not reading the GK fluff. Elementary school fan fiction is better than that stuff.
But as others have already written, it's your money, your figures and your time. You could model them ala angry marines and I would still applaud it with the result looks good. I have even thought about buying a box and use them with my Alpha legion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 06:36:41
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Selym wrote:
The thing with GK fanatics is that they refuse to accept that anything could ever happen to a GK. I agree with you here. They have anti-daemon armour for a reason, it's because no matter how tough your soul is, there is always a tougher daemon (or god), and the aegis (as it's called) is a giant "feth off" sign to most daemons. But, when it's broken, the GK have less protection.
As has already been said numerous times throughout this thread but I think a few of you have not understood, they are not immune to daemonic power, which is why they wear aegis armour and covered themselves in blood etc. However, that's not the same as saying they could be possessed by daemons or become disloyal to the emperor.
Being affected by daemons can go one of two ways: (A) painful suffering and death, or (B) daemonic taint and conversion to Chaos.
The point being made is that (B) can never happen - Grey Knights can never convert to Chaos or be possessed. But they can be made to suffer and die, and that is why they still need protection from the daemonic. The fact they protect themselves against daemons isn't proof they can be possessed, it's proof they can be killed, which no-one is arguing with.
Hopefully you get it now.
EDIT: Again, I'm all for you creating whatever army you want, but I wouldn't go to too much effort trying to make the fluff make sense, coz it won't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 06:39:00
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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In other terms:
Demon shoots warp power at GK, GK armor helps, whereas normal PA is useless.
Demon tries to possess GK, fails because of what the GK is, no matter if he's naked or wearing 10 tons of Aegis armors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 06:45:03
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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On the other hand - the Imperium is the ultiate Big Brother state.
if a GK had actually turned - do you think the inquisition would allow word of it to get out? They'd kill the rest of the sqaud and everyone else on that planet first.
I actually quite like the thought of a GK unit falling to chaos and the Inquisition basically plugging their ears and going "la la la"
"Squad Ghalic? Gone?!...no, no, no...they're......just out, trust me. nothgin to worry abotu at all. <note to self - delete squad Ghalic from all records>"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 06:56:24
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Praxiss wrote:On the other hand - the Imperium is the ultiate Big Brother state.
if a GK had actually turned - do you think the inquisition would allow word of it to get out? They'd kill the rest of the sqaud and everyone else on that planet first.
I actually quite like the thought of a GK unit falling to chaos and the Inquisition basically plugging their ears and going "la la la"
"Squad Ghalic? Gone?!...no, no, no...they're......just out, trust me. nothgin to worry abotu at all. <note to self - delete squad Ghalic from all records>"
They allready deny the existence of greyknight's anyway.
But yes, so far there is only one grey knight in the whole universe, that has had the slightest doubt, and that is brother brutus, who is mentioned in the new chaos daemons codex as having doubt's over killing billions of civillians to root out one daemon, the changeling. Changling is all happy about this because it plant's the first and only seed of doubt in a grey knight mind, the first step to corruption. As such, the only real grounding in the fluff for a chaos grey knight's army, is a Tzeentch chaos grey knight army, lead by brother-sorceror Brutus, and allied with the changling from chaos daemons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 07:05:12
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Disguised Speculo
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Makutsu wrote:I don't know why so many people are against this though.
Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway 
This. feth the haters, they're taking this fictional universe far too seriously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 07:05:52
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Praxiss wrote:On the other hand - the Imperium is the ultiate Big Brother state.
if a GK had actually turned - do you think the inquisition would allow word of it to get out? They'd kill the rest of the sqaud and everyone else on that planet first.
I actually quite like the thought of a GK unit falling to chaos and the Inquisition basically plugging their ears and going "la la la"
"Squad Ghalic? Gone?!...no, no, no...they're......just out, trust me. nothgin to worry abotu at all. <note to self - delete squad Ghalic from all records>"
Ultimately, if it gets your imagination excited and gives you more fun out of your army, make up any story you like. I think there's intentionally enough mystery in the 40k universe to let people bend and stretch what we've been told. But at the same time, it is on par with saying that you're fielding the Emperor, or a Primarch, and that the Inquisition and all its information is just a big cover up. Not impossible, most will think it's kinda stupid, but if it makes you happy then go for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 07:15:50
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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I don't see why people get so angry about Chaos Grey Knights... The way the inquisition acts, it seems they're already being controlled by people that are possessed by demons anyways. It's not that outlandish of an idea, after all half of the imperium's forces fell to chaos anyways during the Horus Heresy, including the Emperor's favorite son Horus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 08:00:02
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Justicar Alaric kinda covers all of this. He can be used by Chaos, he can be turned from the path he wanted to walk...
...but even after being stranded, buck naked and alone, in the Eye of Terror for a long long time...
He comes out taint free and actually seems to be less violent and more compassionate than most Grey Knights and certainly a kinder gentler man than before.
So while he may have served Khorne unwittingly, he clearly did not turn from the Emperor or fall to chaos. No GK has ever fallen. Fluff, GW History, earlier additions, codices, etc. all back this up. You can do a fallen GK army, but it makes about as much sense as a Hive Fleet on a mission of mercy to protect an agri Imperial Planet and preserve it for future human generations. You CAN make it work, but a vast majority won't buy it on principal alone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 08:01:22
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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How about, instead of doing corrupted grey knights, you make your own chapter, using the grey knights models, and corrupt them? The reason in, no Grey Knights can be corrupted. Simple as that. You have a nice looking army, and you don't break any fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 08:20:57
Subject: Re:Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Chaos Grey Knights id say no. But using the Grey Knight Codex to represent followers of Malal would be great, just come up with your own fluff and units that use the GK rules. Malal is against pretty much everything and especially hates the other Ruinous Powers, so anti-chaos/daemons warriors makes sense for him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 09:32:15
Subject: Re:Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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i dont like the idea from a modeling perspective. grey knights dont look chaosy at all, not even a bit. It's going to be alot of work to convert them. what are you planning to do to make this work visually? "minor mutation and slight weapon mods" sounds like a cop out to me. youre going to have to do alot more than that to convince people these are awesome chaos grey knights.
if your conversions were cool enough i dont think anyone would give you any trouble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:15:05
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Go with your original idea - GK codex and model them as followers of Malal.
Just user Chaos terminators as the models.
You should be able to pick up GK weapons on bitz sites if you need to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 15:10:40
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Lobukia wrote:Justicar Alaric kinda covers all of this. He can be used by Chaos, he can be turned from the path he wanted to walk...
...but even after being stranded, buck naked and alone, in the Eye of Terror for a long long time...
He comes out taint free and actually seems to be less violent and more compassionate than most Grey Knights and certainly a kinder gentler man than before.
So while he may have served Khorne unwittingly, he clearly did not turn from the Emperor or fall to chaos. No GK has ever fallen. Fluff, GW History, earlier additions, codices, etc. all back this up. You can do a fallen GK army, but it makes about as much sense as a Hive Fleet on a mission of mercy to protect an agri Imperial Planet and preserve it for future human generations. You CAN make it work, but a vast majority won't buy it on principal alone.
That gives me an idea...
An idea of a group of SM who are cursed by malal. They still fight for the emprah, but malal gets what he wants from them. (I've yet to get the details, but it's a thought).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:41:58
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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You could just say the Malal cultist killed some Grey Knights and looted their armor. That won't offend any stick in the rears...
...so make sure to add they died begging and screaming for mercy like little girls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:49:17
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Dakkamite wrote: Makutsu wrote:I don't know why so many people are against this though.
Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway 
This. feth the haters, they're taking this fictional universe far too seriously.
Calling people haters is an excellent way of ignoring an opposing forces argument.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:07:26
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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blood reaper wrote: Dakkamite wrote: Makutsu wrote:I don't know why so many people are against this though.
Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway 
This. feth the haters, they're taking this fictional universe far too seriously.
Calling people haters is an excellent way of ignoring an opposing forces argument.
Hater's gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:31:54
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Boggy Man wrote:You could just say the Malal cultist killed some Grey Knights and looted their armor. That won't offend any stick in the rears...
...so make sure to add they died begging and screaming for mercy like little girls.
I'd go with heavy misleading instead of corruption. That way the Grey Knight players aren't upset that you stepped on their fluff. Keep in mind that I am sure some of these Grey Knight players fielded Driago in every game they play because fluff doesn't matter when you want to win....which I find very silly.
So say that one of the Chaos Gods produced an image of the Emperor that knew the intricate details of the Grey Knights past and convinced a unit of Grey Knights that their best way to serve the Emperor was to murder the following heavily corrupted enemies:
99% of the Space Marine chapters
Standard Humans as they are all feeding Chaos with their sins
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:43:38
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Selym wrote: blood reaper wrote: Dakkamite wrote: Makutsu wrote:I don't know why so many people are against this though.
Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway 
This. feth the haters, they're taking this fictional universe far too seriously.
Calling people haters is an excellent way of ignoring an opposing forces argument.
Hater's gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate! 
Point proven.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:08:09
Subject: Turning Grey Knights into KAYOSS!
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Lobukia wrote:Justicar Alaric kinda covers all of this. He can be used by Chaos, he can be turned from the path he wanted to walk...
...but even after being stranded, buck naked and alone, in the Eye of Terror for a long long time...
He comes out taint free and actually seems to be less violent and more compassionate than most Grey Knights and certainly a kinder gentler man than before.
So while he may have served Khorne unwittingly, he clearly did not turn from the Emperor or fall to chaos. No GK has ever fallen. Fluff, GW History, earlier additions, codices, etc. all back this up. You can do a fallen GK army, but it makes about as much sense as a Hive Fleet on a mission of mercy to protect an agri Imperial Planet and preserve it for future human generations. You CAN make it work, but a vast majority won't buy it on principal alone.
I'm gonna make this Hive Fleet. It's gonna be called Hive Fleet Brofist, and I'm gonna insist it has Battle Brothers with any EoM. (Except Angry marines, because let's face it, they love no man.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:19:44
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Purifier wrote: Lobukia wrote:Justicar Alaric kinda covers all of this. He can be used by Chaos, he can be turned from the path he wanted to walk...
...but even after being stranded, buck naked and alone, in the Eye of Terror for a long long time...
He comes out taint free and actually seems to be less violent and more compassionate than most Grey Knights and certainly a kinder gentler man than before.
So while he may have served Khorne unwittingly, he clearly did not turn from the Emperor or fall to chaos. No GK has ever fallen. Fluff, GW History, earlier additions, codices, etc. all back this up. You can do a fallen GK army, but it makes about as much sense as a Hive Fleet on a mission of mercy to protect an agri Imperial Planet and preserve it for future human generations. You CAN make it work, but a vast majority won't buy it on principal alone.
I'm gonna make this Hive Fleet. It's gonna be called Hive Fleet Brofist, and I'm gonna insist it has Battle Brothers with any EoM. (Except Angry marines, because let's face it, they love no man.)
Include the Hugging carnifex!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:26:20
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 21:17:32
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GreyHamster wrote:Chaos Grey Knights are like the prototypical 40k 'i is creativ' special snowflake idea. It's been beaten to death so many times even Nurgle doesn't want that zombie.
this comment was the highlight of the thread for me. it's sig worthy and it also reminded me of this family guy clip right away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HLrkaJTud8
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/27 00:45:25
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Well, I might as well share my own Grey Knights (of Malice!!) fluff. And to be fair, I came up with this idea before I had heard of anything like it (and originally used it to troll) not sure if that makes me a progenitor or if me/all the people I told just hadn't heard of it yet.
Basically, if you read the section on the Chambers of Purity, it is pretty clear that something BIG and NASTY is down there, something that only the most incorruptible of the incorruptible Grey Knights are allowed to know about and are responsible with keeping locked away.
For me, that THING is Malal. After being summoned by the Sons of Malice, he was eventually defeated by the Grey Knights. Being a Chaos God, even a minor one, meant he was unslayable, so the Grey Knights did the next best thing - they locked him away in one of the most protected places in the Universe.
Normally that would be the end of it. Sealed away, forgotten, blablabla, but... he extended a deal to the Grey Knights. He hated Chaos just as much as they did... and they were very pragmatic... so he gave the Purifiers his blessing in exchange for their services. He makes them good at killing Chaos, they kill Chaos, and, whenever possible, Imperials (ie, the purgings)
I didn't go so far as to make them "fallen", but they do help Malal in exchange for his goodies. They still keep him locked away and bound, and kill his worshipers when they find him (which brings him more glee anyways), but they don't deny his gifts.
I also enforce this fluff by not bringing any non-Purifiers (they don't like working with the other brotherhoods, lest their activities on the battlefield seem suspicious) or things that could reasonably be Purifers, like Paladins(gotta have a Purifier-Apothecary) and Dreadnoughts/dreadknights.
I need to make another army if I want to use interceptors/normal terminators :(
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