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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:43:29
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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So, a little question that popped in my mind.
I don't know very much about the Tau fluff (luckily the new Codex will arrive soon), but can a Gue'vesa (a Human Auxiliary) become a Shas'O? Basically, a Commander?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:46:39
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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No.
The Shas' ranks are for Tau.
You'll find out soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:47:03
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Gue'vesa get their own ranking structure. In order to be a Shas, you need to be fire caste, which is restricted to Tau. You could theoretically be a Gue'vesa'O though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:47:26
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Sad.
So, basically, a Gue'vesa couldn't pilot a Crisis suit like, never?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:49:45
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You could convert up a Gue'vesa auxillary army by converting Tau units to be "human" and use them as Counts As for Tau units (I'm doing this myself) but utilizing actual Crisis Suits is probably not allowed under any but the most questionable circumstances.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:55:20
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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So, nothing.
Even if, say, a Gue'vesa did a heroic act and served the Greater Good in an awesome way he can't pilot a Crisis Suit?
Uhg.
Well, convert all FW team etc it's like super-expensive.
First, you have to buy the Tau models, than the IG ones to make the conversion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:58:41
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Nasty Nob
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote:So, nothing.
Even if, say, a Gue'vesa did a heroic act and served the Greater Good in an awesome way he can't pilot a Crisis Suit?
Uhg.
Well, convert all FW team etc it's like super-expensive.
First, you have to buy the Tau models, than the IG ones to make the conversion.
suits aren't issued as a reward for exemplary behavior. Promotion in the tau empire is not like in human worlds, its purely meritocratic rather than an incentivized reward system.
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ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:06:00
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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davou wrote:
suits aren't issued as a reward for exemplary behavior. Promotion in the tau empire is not like in human worlds, its purely meritocratic rather than an incentivized reward system.
Excuse me, meritocratic means that if you did something that deserves a "reward"/"price", you will get it.
I work hard all the year, studying like a madman -> I'll get promoted with all A+
I make something that help GREATLY the Greater Good -> I'll get, eventually, the "honour" to pilot a Crisis Suit.
Am I wrong?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:36:15
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Yes and no. There are cases of fire caste members doing ludicrously heroic things, but being shunned afterwards as abnormal. My point wasn't so much about deserving a reward, as it was about being capable for command.
There's no prestige associated with advancement in the Tau'va apart from the value you have as an asset to the cause. A shas'o is valuable for his command experience, but no more or less important than any other individual in the empire as a person (at least that's the ideology).
You could spend a 40 year career floating at the lowest possible line soldier rank, and that's just fine, because you've fallen into your place in the cause. Where in human armies, after a few years your failure to advance might be questioned as incompetence.
My point I guess was more about being expected to advance, rather than just being expected to fill whatever roll suits you and the cause best.
And meritocratic means a system of command/leadership by merit; think of forest gump, he may save 20 persons by running them out of the jungle, but no one is going to give him command of an aircraft carrier, because he can't read words longer than 3 syllables. He's certainly heroic, selfless and commited to the cause, but he does not merit command.
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ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:40:27
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote:So, a little question that popped in my mind.
I don't know very much about the Tau fluff (luckily the new Codex will arrive soon), but can a Gue'vesa (a Human Auxiliary) become a Shas'O? Basically, a Commander?
I'm pretty sure the auxillaries have completely different command structures subordinate to the primary Tau chain of command.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:48:40
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Still, the answer isn't too clear to me.
Ok, Gue'vesa have a different command chain but, in the end, could they deserve to wear a Crisis Battlesuit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:02:32
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote:Still, the answer isn't too clear to me.
Ok, Gue'vesa have a different command chain but, in the end, could they deserve to wear a Crisis Battlesuit?
I'm sure an exceptional human could earn some power armor, but the Crisis suits are all designed for Tau physiology. Not sure how much mucking about internally you'd need to get it to fit Humans. Not saying the Tau can't do it, of course they can, but can any human prove valuable enough to be worth that kind of effort?
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:04:58
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Kain wrote:
I'm sure an exceptional human could earn some power armor, but the Crisis suits are all designed for Tau physiology. Not sure how much mucking about internally you'd need to get it to fit Humans. Not saying the Tau can't do it, of course they can, but can any human prove valuable enough to be worth that kind of effort?
That, in fact, was my original question more or less
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:07:33
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Kain wrote:
I'm sure an exceptional human could earn some power armor, but the Crisis suits are all designed for Tau physiology. Not sure how much mucking about internally you'd need to get it to fit Humans. Not saying the Tau can't do it, of course they can, but can any human prove valuable enough to be worth that kind of effort?
That, in fact, was my original question more or less 
So far it appears that no, no human has proven worthy of that kind of expenditure from the Earth Caste, but in the future as humans become more integrated into the Tau Empire, who knows?
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:09:48
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Kain wrote:
So far it appears that no, no human has proven worthy of that kind of expenditure from the Earth Caste, but in the future as humans become more integrated into the Tau Empire, who knows?
Thanks ^_^. 'Cause, simply, I'd like to make my Crisis Battlesuit Commander a Gue'vesa. So I needed to know if something like that was at least remotly possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:13:06
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Kain wrote:
So far it appears that no, no human has proven worthy of that kind of expenditure from the Earth Caste, but in the future as humans become more integrated into the Tau Empire, who knows?
Thanks ^_^. 'Cause, simply, I'd like to make my Crisis Battlesuit Commander a Gue'vesa. So I needed to know if something like that was at least remotly possible.

Make sure the Crisis suit looks a bit different, remember that Humans are on average a big bigger than Tau. Go for a slightly more gundam-esque look over the Tau's general macross feel.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:13:57
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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I'd say it's possible but largely unnecessary and/or very unlikely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:15:45
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sure why not, its your fluff for your army, just as stated earlier maybe model it a bit different, stat wise there would be no difference unless playing in a friendly game, in which case at best maybe a +1 to I
Fluff wise you could always explain it away as a mostly honorific title, bestowed for maybe a PR reasons , just come up with some act that has furthered the greater good, and run with that.
Just because there is no example of a human commanding a tau force does not mean there never will be one, as the Tau Empire annexes more human occupied planets I am sure somewhere there will be a great human commander that will be used by the ethereals as a example to other humans to emulate. Its all very much in the style of hearts and minds.
whether this commander is actually placed in a overall command of anything larger than maybe a Cadre..that would be unlikely, but again, its your army, your fluff, have fun1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:39:55
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Just because there is no example of a human commanding a tau force does not mean there never will be one, as the Tau Empire annexes more human occupied planets I am sure somewhere there will be a great human commander that will be used by the ethereals as a example to other humans to emulate. Its all very much in the style of hearts and minds.
whether this commander is actually placed in a overall command of anything larger than maybe a Cadre..that would be unlikely, but again, its your army, your fluff, have fun1 
First of all: thanks for your opinions, I really know a little about Tau fluff (again, Codex will arrive soon! HORAY!).
How could be, let's say: the Ethereals planned the promotion of Gue'Vesa X to demostrate how the Greater Good treat everyone equally.
Like a political manouvre.
Mmm, yeah, I agree, a Cadre is already too much
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:40:55
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Just because there is no example of a human commanding a tau force does not mean there never will be one, as the Tau Empire annexes more human occupied planets I am sure somewhere there will be a great human commander that will be used by the ethereals as a example to other humans to emulate. Its all very much in the style of hearts and minds.
whether this commander is actually placed in a overall command of anything larger than maybe a Cadre..that would be unlikely, but again, its your army, your fluff, have fun1 
First of all: thanks for your opinions, I really know a little about Tau fluff (again, Codex will arrive soon! HORAY!).
How could be, let's say: the Ethereals planned the promotion of Gue'Vesa X to demostrate how the Greater Good treat everyone equally.
Like a political manouvre.
Mmm, yeah, I agree, a Cadre is already too much 
Yes, but be warned, the Gue'vesa auxillaries of 4e are gone, instead you have worker gangs. I suppose FW will release something in the future though.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:47:02
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Incorrect , we now have a allies matrix, and that can be used to reflect human aux, there never has been a Codex based Gue'vesa entry, just a WD article one.
And no "work gang" ones either.
It has always been more of a fluff based idea then any real concrete rules, and now in 6th ed, everybody has allies to use...well except Tyranids
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:47:14
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Kain wrote:
Yes, but be warned, the Gue'vesa auxillaries of 4e are gone, instead you have worker gangs. I suppose FW will release something in the future though.
Well, actually I have in mind some conversion. But, overall, I'd run normal FW, no conversion.
Simply, they will be lead by a Gue'vesa.
Not much canon, but I think is possible, after all we're talking about Tau and their "equal opportunities" philosophy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:52:41
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Fixture of Dakka
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: Incorrect , we now have a allies matrix, and that can be used to reflect human aux, there never has been a Codex based Gue'vesa entry, just a WD article one.
And no "work gang" ones either.
It has always been more of a fluff based idea then any real concrete rules, and now in 6th ed, everybody has allies to use... well except Tyranids
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:00:22
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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i would say that a Tau force led only by a human commander is kinda' weird. Just like how a Kroot Shaper or a Vespid Strain Leader couldn't take over a Fire Warrior Team. Yeah, the Tau Empire is all about cooperation and stuff, but everybody stay on their own turf, with their own people.
Now, a human commander with a Fireblade/Ethereal "supporting commander" is more acceptable, because then he/she will be there only for the show, and his/her Tau "advisors" will call the shots behind his/her back anyways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:07:03
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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AtoMaki wrote:
Now, a human commander with a Fireblade/Ethereal "supporting commander" is more acceptable, because then he/she will be there only for the show, and his/her Tau "advisors" will call the shots behind his/her back anyways.
Good point, though as the Ethereals say the Gue'vesas are between Tau and Kroots, they have a bettere treatment than them.
Kroot are no more than meatshields and Vespid... well, I dunno.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:12:14
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Of al the currently fleshed out races that fight or exist within the Tau empire , the one most likely to e integrated into a combined squad structure with Tau would be humans due to humans do not eat the dead, or have wings...a kroot shaper is included in a carnivore squad to guide and monitor the consumption of bio-mass to further the evolution of the Kroot, and vespid have wings, placing a strainleader in a firewarrior squad would restrict its main mode of locomotion and if its helmet ever malfunctioned or was damaged, it would have to resort to sign language  .
humans and Tau actually have more in common militarily then differences, but again this comes down to a persons interpretations and what not, so have fun with it, and make some cool looking models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:15:02
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
humans and Tau actually have more in common militarily then differences, but again this comes down to a persons interpretations and what not, so have fun with it, and make some cool looking models.
It will be done  , thanks everyone again for all your tips
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:30:09
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Letting a Crisis suit be piloted by a non-Tau seems pretty dubious to me. As far as I know, the only military technology that the Tau will supply to other races are pulse rifles. Fielding a human as one of the new Fireblade HQs (which are pretty awesome) would be kosher though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/27 10:27:18
Subject: Re:Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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After a fixed time, every Fire Warrior can apply for a test to gain the next promotion level. If he passes the shas'o test, he is allowed to pilot a Crisis Suit. This is a Fire caste procedure not available to other races (or castes). This is the way you "earn" a Crisis Suit, not by someone giving them away to his friends.
The Tau Empire is a pluralistic Empire, as most races keep their own army equipment and army structure, with only minor help from Tau. At best, Tau give them rifles and maybe Infantry body armour, but not tanks or suits. First because the small tau production is needed for Tau, second, because it is specifically made for Tau anatomy, and third not even Tau give away all their military secrets after a first hand-shake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/27 13:06:03
Subject: Could Gue'vesa become a Shas'O
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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I did a *little* research.
I quote from Advanced Tau Tactica:
Actyally the Tau have trusted a HUGE number of Gue'la with suits.
The planet necromunda, Spyrers.
Jakera suit worn by females has a mirror shield and a powerblade.
Orrus suit worn my males has close range bolters with power fists.
Yeld suit worn by males has a sniper laser, jet pack, and stealth tech.
Malcor suit worn by males has spinners, and claws.
I can't remember the other suits.
Look up the Tau words for mirror, powerful, winged, and spider.
I had thought about making auxillery Gue'vre units with these suits for 40K.
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