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 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:
I did a *little* research.
I quote from Advanced Tau Tactica:

Actyally the Tau have trusted a HUGE number of Gue'la with suits.

The planet necromunda, Spyrers.

Jakera suit worn by females has a mirror shield and a powerblade.
Orrus suit worn my males has close range bolters with power fists.
Yeld suit worn by males has a sniper laser, jet pack, and stealth tech.
Malcor suit worn by males has spinners, and claws.


I can't remember the other suits.
Look up the Tau words for mirror, powerful, winged, and spider.

I had thought about making auxillery Gue'vre units with these suits for 40K.

I'm interested in seeing models for these.

 Kain wrote:

I'm interested in seeing models for these.

I'd like to see an artwork of them, so I can have an idea more or less. Oh well.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

I'm interested in seeing models for these.

I'd like to see an artwork of them, so I can have an idea more or less. Oh well.

I'd say that Gue'la suits would err more to Gundam than to Macross like regular Tau suits.

 Kain wrote:

I'd say that Gue'la suits would err more to Gundam than to Macross like regular Tau suits.

Ok, I know that Tau are smaller than Humans, but I don't think that a human would be so tall.
Nah, and btw Tau Crisis Suit haven't controller or "joysticks", they have neural control.
So IMHO there is the space to fit a Gue'vesa in a Crisis Suit.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

I'd say that Gue'la suits would err more to Gundam than to Macross like regular Tau suits.

Ok, I know that Tau are smaller than Humans, but I don't think that a human would be so tall.
Nah, and btw Tau Crisis Suit haven't controller or "joysticks", they have neural control.
So IMHO there is the space to fit a Gue'vesa in a Crisis Suit.

The Tau suits are built to the pecularities of Tau physiology. Tau are digitigrade hoof walkers, humans are plantigrade sole walkers. Neurally controlling something with a very different leg structure may be quite a pain.

 Kain wrote:

The Tau suits are built to the pecularities of Tau physiology. Tau are digitigrade hoof walkers, humans are plantigrade sole walkers. Neurally controlling something with a very different leg structure may be quite a pain.

Is more like the pilot moves his leg, the crisis moves his legs.
So no, IMHO it shouldn't be painful.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The Tau suits are built to the pecularities of Tau physiology. Tau are digitigrade hoof walkers, humans are plantigrade sole walkers. Neurally controlling something with a very different leg structure may be quite a pain.

Is more like the pilot moves his leg, the crisis moves his legs.
So no, IMHO it shouldn't be painful.

It'd be like trying to walk with a leg brace made for a horse. That'd be about the closest comparison between human and tau leg structure we can have in real life.

 Kain wrote:

It'd be like trying to walk with a leg brace made for a horse. That'd be about the closest comparison between human and tau leg structure we can have in real life.

You don't feel the pain or something along that.
It's like you have microchip or something, it doesn't matter what phisiology you have.
Or at least for humans.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

It'd be like trying to walk with a leg brace made for a horse. That'd be about the closest comparison between human and tau leg structure we can have in real life.

You don't feel the pain or something along that.
It's like you have microchip or something, it doesn't matter what phisiology you have.
Or at least for humans.

I wouldn't say it'd hurt (it'd be a pain is an expression) but it'd be rather awkward.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:
I did a *little* research.
I quote from Advanced Tau Tactica:

I don't think it was ever definitively stated that the Tau were responsible for the Spyrer suits. I mean, one Imperial thought so, but he could have been wrong. Considering some of the technology seen in those suits is beyond what the Tau have demonstrated, I actually don't think it's that likely that the Tau developed them.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

I don't think it was ever definitively stated that the Tau were responsible for the Spyrer suits. I mean, one Imperial thought so, but he could have been wrong. Considering some of the technology seen in those suits is beyond what the Tau have demonstrated, I actually don't think it's that likely that the Tau developed them.

I think that the Tau developed them think about human combat style. It could explain why the meltas and the powerfists.

No, because Gue'vasa are just that: Human auxiliaries. They serve the Tau Empire, therefore the Tau command. Nothing more nothing less. What do you expect from a 19th Century colonial power IN SPAAACE!!!

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
No, because Gue'vasa are just that: Human auxiliaries. They serve the Tau Empire, therefore the Tau command. Nothing more nothing less. What do you expect from a 19th Century colonial power IN SPAAACE!!!

Well, for the Suits again, I quoted that the Empire trusted a huge number of gue'vesa giving them suits.
For the Shas'O thing, yeah, 'cause is a rank for the Fire Caste Warrior.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
No, because Gue'vasa are just that: Human auxiliaries. They serve the Tau Empire, therefore the Tau command. Nothing more nothing less. What do you expect from a 19th Century colonial power IN SPAAACE!!!

Well, for the Suits again, I quoted that the Empire trusted a huge number of gue'vesa giving them suits.
For the Shas'O thing, yeah, 'cause is a rank for the Fire Caste Warrior.

I didn't say anything about Battlesuits. Only that Tau would never let non-Tau rise to positions of real power in the TAU Empire.

From a design point of view, the suits would have to reflect the human's role in the Tau empire. At the moment, humans mostly serve as meat shields. The kroot are their to get up close, vespid are mobile ambush units while humans are buffer units between the Tau and the enemy.

With this in mind, your suits should be"economic" models, cheaper to build with less upgrades but not a huge sacrifice if lost. They also should be able to take more damage, better serving a human's use as buffers or shields for Tau units. So make your suits more clunky, maybe give them a big shield and give them less upgrades and weapons.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
No, because Gue'vasa are just that: Human auxiliaries. They serve the Tau Empire, therefore the Tau command. Nothing more nothing less. What do you expect from a 19th Century colonial power IN SPAAACE!!!

Well, for the Suits again, I quoted that the Empire trusted a huge number of gue'vesa giving them suits.
For the Shas'O thing, yeah, 'cause is a rank for the Fire Caste Warrior.

I didn't say anything about Battlesuits. Only that Tau would never let non-Tau rise to positions of real power in the TAU Empire.

Obvious troll is obvious. Let me guess: You haven't read the current Tau fluff and don't think you need to
Here an official GW document that shows one Kroot (Angkhor Prok) to be an HQ choice that may lead Tau forces:
http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/anghkor-prok.pdf

BTW here the Spyrer Yelds, that may or may not have chameleonic armour sold by Tau:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1740000&_requestid=789858


Anyway, this has nothing to do with Crisis Suits. And the body of a Crisis Suit is too small to contain a Fire Warrior in standing position, so no steering a suit leg by moving the pilot leg.

Those spyrer suits are ugly as all get out!

Gue'vasa may be allowed some military position, but will never be positioned in charge of Tau units. The best way to think of the Tau's alien auxiliaries is as second class citizens. Sure they may say that they work for the greater good, they may act to demonstrate it, but they are not Tau and are not thus under the same sort of fervent unbending control of the Ethereals that those of the Tau Castes are. Humans especially are violent backstabbing savages with a distinct history of being turncoats with little actual value in honor. If I was a Tau administrator I would be -very- careful with how I incorporated them into the empire.

Nightwolf829 wrote:
Gue'vasa may be allowed some military position, but will never be positioned in charge of Tau units. The best way to think of the Tau's alien auxiliaries is as second class citizens. Sure they may say that they work for the greater good, they may act to demonstrate it, but they are not Tau and are not thus under the same sort of fervent unbending control of the Ethereals that those of the Tau Castes are. Humans especially are violent backstabbing savages with a distinct history of being turncoats with little actual value in honor. If I was a Tau administrator I would be -very- careful with how I incorporated them into the empire.

The Tau empire is a thousand years old or more I believe. That's plenty of time for multiple generations of humans to drink the kool-aid and be as indoctrinated and loyal as any Tau.

well for 2nd ed models they are pretty slick , I always thought the spyers were kinda cool fluff wise, and now with the in Tau codex lingo tie-in with them, it does show off some seriously advanced consumer tech !

Would be a cool idea for a human aux special forces unit, equipped with mil grade spyer suits.


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Nightwolf829 wrote:
Gue'vasa may be allowed some military position, but will never be positioned in charge of Tau units. The best way to think of the Tau's alien auxiliaries is as second class citizens. Sure they may say that they work for the greater good, they may act to demonstrate it, but they are not Tau and are not thus under the same sort of fervent unbending control of the Ethereals that those of the Tau Castes are. Humans especially are violent backstabbing savages with a distinct history of being turncoats with little actual value in honor. If I was a Tau administrator I would be -very- careful with how I incorporated them into the empire.

Yes unbending control..like what farsight is experiencing...never say never, if something furthers the greater good it will be used, but in all fairness a non-tau would have to be pretty incredible to rise to a command level, and no non-tau other than Anghor prok has so far been described.

Does not mean it will never happen, and if a person wants to make a converted Tau army with this as concept go for it!

 Kain wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

I'd say that Gue'la suits would err more to Gundam than to Macross like regular Tau suits.

Ok, I know that Tau are smaller than Humans, but I don't think that a human would be so tall.
Nah, and btw Tau Crisis Suit haven't controller or "joysticks", they have neural control.
So IMHO there is the space to fit a Gue'vesa in a Crisis Suit.

The Tau suits are built to the pecularities of Tau physiology. Tau are digitigrade hoof walkers, humans are plantigrade sole walkers. Neurally controlling something with a very different leg structure may be quite a pain.

A far more important consideration than leg structure is brain structure. Crisis Suits are designed to interface with a Tau brain, which is no doubt extremely physiologically different from that of a human. Unless the Tau choose to study human physiology in depth to design suits that can interface neurally with them, and there is no fluff to suggest that they have, equipping humans with Tau battlesuits is physiologically impossible. This is why I suggested a Fireblade to be a better fit for a human counts-as, because they don't have invasive technology required to function, just above-average leadership and fighting skills.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:
Sad.
So, basically, a Gue'vesa couldn't pilot a Crisis suit like, never?

They could, if the Tau gave it to them. Shas'O and all of its implications are only fire caste rankings that are not used by allied Tau races.

 Harriticus wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:
Sad.
So, basically, a Gue'vesa couldn't pilot a Crisis suit like, never?

They could, if the Tau gave it to them. Shas'O and all of its implications are only fire caste rankings that are not used by allied Tau races.

I imagine a sinister gak could steal one too; there is precedence for a deserting callidus assasin stealing a dreadnought for internment.

 davou wrote:
Promotion in the tau empire is [...] purely meritocratic

Haha... hehe... that's cute.

 Melissia wrote:

 davou wrote:
Promotion in the tau empire is [...] purely meritocratic

Haha... hehe... that's cute.

I was going to say, "Oh really?", but that works too

Fluff shows that Gue'vesa aren't realy trusted with an abundance of Tau technology so an actual battlesuit (like the crisis) is a little out of the question. Though it should be pointed out that there are two types of Gue'vesa, there are the recent converts whose planets where recently captured or who willingly joined the Empire but are still unproven. And then there are those Gue'vesa who where born into the Empire and whose families have been loyal servants/members for generations. The later is less likely to be trusted with Tau tech while the former is more likely to be given higher status and better equipment. It even stands to reason that they may have a type of battlesuit designed specifically for their use, it may not be the equivillant of a true Tau battlesuit but it would still be fairly advanced and entrusted to a select few under Tau supervision and probably with numerous failsafes.

As far as command goes as has been said the Gue'vesa opperate under a differant command structure than the Fire Caste and personally I've never really thought that a Gue'vesa commander would rise above the rank of a Gue'vesa'vre within the Empire. But that's just using their rank in the Tau language, say a Colonel in the IG joins the Tau Empire his rank within the human military would probably still be a Colonel but his rank within the Tau hierarchy would be a Gue'vesavre even though the 2 aren't exactly equal in status (this is just an example). Kind of how a Shaper would be considered a Shas'o in kroot society but wouldn't hold that actual rank in the Tau military.

Here is a Gue'vesa battlesuit designed by Lord Dirk

Why do I get the feeling that this entire exercise was borne out of the OP's desire to insert some Mary Sue personification of himself into the army? "Oh, the leader is this totally badass human that defies all conventions and happens to also be me."

Reminds me of a fluff piece I read on this forum, where the Chapter Master was a 16-yo named Stephen, who was snatched from Earth by a recruiting ship that fell into a random wormhole that teleported them to our reality (and immediately fell into another one after grabbing Stephen), and proved to be such a badass that he was voted Chapter Master by the time he finished training (which took half the time of any other Space Marine ever).

 Omegus wrote:

Reminds me of a fluff piece I read on this forum, where the Chapter Master was a 16-yo named Stephen, who was snatched from Earth by a recruiting ship that fell into a random wormhole that teleported them to our reality (and immediately fell into another one after grabbing Stephen), and proved to be such a badass that he was voted Chapter Master by the time he finished training (which took half the time of any other Space Marine ever).

What...the...hell?

He's suggesting... something? I want to say "cherry stew"? No? Then maybe something that rhymes with it...

Mary Sue. Like Papa Smurf. Or Kaldor Draigo. Well, at least the latter gets gak done.