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2013/04/26 21:32:40
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Is there even any real doubt at this point? I thought it was already at the point where their links have been so frequently hinted at that GW doesn't even have to state it out loud.
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2013/04/26 22:55:40
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Most people say Thousand Sons gone loyal, others say merely descended from them, and despite the hints, they may still be wrong. The AdMech also say "Knowledge is power, guard it well.", that's a pretty big hint when compared to some things people are pulling out as 'proof their Primarch is Magnus', but that doesn't mean they have the gene-seed of Kelbor-Hal does it?
People used to say that they were descended from either Blood Angels or Raven Guard, and 10 years ago, people were adamant that it was either Sanguinius or Corax, they would argue for hours over these two.
Then again there's a rumour that Dorn is the Primarch.
My point is that there's lots of theories out there, and people will pick and choose which they believe, often ignoring other contradictory evidence, which is just as valid and substantial, purely because it doesn't fit in with their theory.
This is how it goes with most super duper 40k mystery dramas, everyone has their own suspect and they will not see any other argument.
For the record, I like to think they're created from stabilised Thousand Sons gene-seed, same as I believe that the Minotaurs are made from World Eater gene-seed, but these are purely my opinions, and I respect and understand that other people have their own theories with equally valid points dropped by GW to support their opinions.
2013/04/26 23:14:15
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Magnus makes a lot of sense because of the sheer number of Librarians the Blood Ravens seem to have - I believe, second only to the Grey Knights.
Corax is as much about name similarity than anything else - which seems to be frequent among successors of their respective loyalist legions. Same sort of logic for the Blood Angels connection.
The Dorn connection, I never really understood.
2013/04/26 23:59:52
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Magnus the Red seem to be the lead candidate due to them being hated by the Space Wolves, their affinity with sossery, their reliance of Librarians and so forth.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
2013/04/27 00:30:56
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
In one of the DoW books, there was a blurb about a BR librarian being captured and brainwashed by Ahriman. He said some quotes that imply that there are connections to him/1ksons, and the Blood Ravens, which could explain the knowledge fetish as well as their Librarian population.
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2013/04/27 00:32:07
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Kain wrote: Is there even any real doubt at this point? I thought it was already at the point where their links have been so frequently hinted at that GW doesn't even have to state it out loud.
It's hints by Graham McNeill; not GW.
Important distinction.
2013/04/27 00:35:14
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Before my friend pointed it out, I would have said the Thousand Sons and Magnus. However, I am more inclined to believe it was in fact Lorgar and the Word Bearers at this point.
They were the original hints from Dark Crusade through Eliphas's taunting. But my friend, fellow user Azariah Kyras, noticed the following: The Blood Ravens defend Subsector Aurelia.
Lorgar was also known as the Aurelian. If anything, it at least explains Eliphas's taunts and his vested interest in the Blood Ravens, and it is a much stronger connection than a vague foreshadowing of "a Raven of Blood".
Think of something clever to say.
2013/04/27 01:30:25
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
I don't get the Dorn theory either, don't all IF derived chapters hate psychers? Or is it just the BT? All I know I cant ally myself with an army that contains psychers on tabletop with my BTs to my infinite annoyance
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2013/04/27 01:34:43
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Arcsquad12 wrote: Before my friend pointed it out, I would have said the Thousand Sons and Magnus. However, I am more inclined to believe it was in fact Lorgar and the Word Bearers at this point.
They were the original hints from Dark Crusade through Eliphas's taunting. But my friend, fellow user Azariah Kyras, noticed the following: The Blood Ravens defend Subsector Aurelia.
Lorgar was also known as the Aurelian. If anything, it at least explains Eliphas's taunts and his vested interest in the Blood Ravens, and it is a much stronger connection than a vague foreshadowing of "a Raven of Blood".
Eh...there are over 50 cities in the world named Alexandria, the vast majority of which were not founded by Alexander the Great or had anything to do with him. Just saying.
I personally believe the Blood Ravens are from rediscovered Thousand Sons geneseed, rather than from surviving loyalists. However I don't believe the Minotaurs are World Eaters, especially after reading Betrayer. Most of the World Eater's most common traits were due to the butcher's nails rather than something innate in the geneseed.
chapgrimaldus wrote: I don't get the Dorn theory either, don't all IF derived chapters hate psychers? Or is it just the BT? All I know I cant ally myself with an army that contains psychers on tabletop with my BTs to my infinite annoyance
It's just BT.
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2013/04/27 01:39:07
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
I voted for Magnus the Red. Either they were founded using stabilized Thousand Sons gene-seed, or they were from loyalist Thousand Sons that joined up with the Ultramarines.
Regarding the latter; go read The Iron Within short story; Ultramarine champions are implied to have been gathering surviving loyalists from all traitor legions across the galaxy on Guilliman's orders. Probably because he needed their specific specialties for the Codex Astartes, Iron Warriors for siege and fortification, Thousand Sons for psionics, and so on.
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2013/04/27 08:59:47
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
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2013/04/27 09:21:47
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
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2013/04/27 09:24:15
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/04/27 09:32:24
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
I dont know much about the Blood Ravens other than what I have learned from the games but they seem very similar to the Thousand Sons in the way they collect artefacts and knowledge so I vote for Magnus The Red.
2013/04/27 09:33:14
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
We're never to get confirmation though; GW aside, at least one major author, ADB, hates the idea for some reason.
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2013/04/27 09:37:39
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
We're never to get confirmation though; GW aside, at least one major author, ADB, hates the idea for some reason.
If he wants to fly in the face of direct evidence that's his right. I mean, there are people who still think that special relativity must be wrong. They're stupid, but they have a right to be stupid.
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2013/04/27 09:43:59
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
We're never to get confirmation though; GW aside, at least one major author, ADB, hates the idea for some reason.
If he wants to fly in the face of direct evidence that's his right. I mean, there are people who still think that special relativity must be wrong. They're stupid, but they have a right to be stupid.
Lol
As I recall, he hates the idea because it sounds like a badly-written 'homebrew' army's fluff.
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2013/04/27 09:46:21
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
One of the reasons for the theory of Dorn being Primarch is that a couple of relics bearing his name turn up as wargear items in DoW2. I don't recall any other Primarch names on wargear either. To my knowledge, Black Templars are the only psyker-hating successor Chapter - certainly the Fists themselves have no trouble there.
The link to Blood Angels is in name only, and as a result *VERY* unlikely. What are the odds of being able to have no less than 7 games/expansions (8 if you count the brief cameo in Space Marine), one of which contains an Exterminatus(!), and there be absolutely no mention of the Black Rage? If they had cured the Flaw, I'm sure Dante, Seth and co would be on the case pronto
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2013/04/27 09:49:07
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
We're never to get confirmation though; GW aside, at least one major author, ADB, hates the idea for some reason.
If he wants to fly in the face of direct evidence that's his right. I mean, there are people who still think that special relativity must be wrong. They're stupid, but they have a right to be stupid.
Lol
As I recall, he hates the idea because it sounds like a badly-written 'homebrew' army's fluff.
And what other non founding chapter has extremely stellar fluff, hmm? The Minotaurs with their personalityless Black Ops antics? The Auroras who can literally be summed up as "We have more tanks!" The Novamarines who are pretty much just "the Ultramarines with a weird paint scheme." Compared to other non founding Chapters, the Blood Ravens are extremely well developed and characterized, even better than some of the founding chapters even! (Iron hands get no love).
And originally I would have made the joke at Ancient Alien theorist's expense but I wasn't sure if anyone bought into that.
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2013/04/27 09:58:40
Subject: Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
thenoobbomb wrote: Probably Ultramarines like most chapters, they just have some more psykers. I'd find it odd that a chapter would be made from Traitor geneseed.
Voted Alpharius for the lulz though (ofcourse!). Everyone is him anyways.
Entire grand companies refused to follow Horus during the rebellion. There was probably plenty of loyal stock from the traitor legions. As a rule, it seems that more members of traitor legions remained loyal than members of loyal legions turned traitor. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Ravens are descended from an entire split off 1k sons Grand company.
The entire Fourth Fellowship and Thousand Sons Armada had been sent by Magnus away from Prospero prior to the Space Wolves arrival.
Spoiler:
According to Fourth Fellowship Captain Menes Kalliston to Kharn (who along with a large number of World Eaters were 'mopping up' the ruins of Tizca) in Rebirth, they were almost immediately attacked and scattered by an unknown enemy. The command element eventually made it back to Prospero, but were wiped out by the World Eaters. Captain Kalliston was taken prisoner, but Sergeant Revuel Arvida escaped. Captain Kalliston was later killed, but not before he renounced Magnus' actions at the end of the Burning of Prospero (revealed by Kharn as a form of mockery) as 'insane or incomprehensibly evil' and that he (Kalliston) could no longer remain loyal to him.
Arvida is later revealed to have never actually shared the Thousand Sons' complete and utter faith in Magnus, and views the destruction of Prospero as vindication, as Magnus ultimately failed to prevent it. He then vows to find and fight the true cause of the Thousand Sons' fall, and to not rest until everything that could help him was in his grasp. He then sets out to find the other survivors of the Fourth Fellowship (at best a few companies, and at worst, himself alone), knowing as "...only a Corvidae could know...that death would not to find him on Prospero..." saying "Knowledge is Power" as he leaves the ruins with flames illuminating the raven head of the Corvidae on a shoulder guard.
It seems that the evidence is almost completely overwhelmingly in favor of "they're 1k son descendants" given that we even have a split off group of the Thousand Sons for them to be descended from.
We're never to get confirmation though; GW aside, at least one major author, ADB, hates the idea for some reason.
If he wants to fly in the face of direct evidence that's his right. I mean, there are people who still think that special relativity must be wrong. They're stupid, but they have a right to be stupid.
Lol
As I recall, he hates the idea because it sounds like a badly-written 'homebrew' army's fluff.
And what other non founding chapter has extremely stellar fluff, hmm? The Minotaurs with their personalityless Black Ops antics? The Auroras who can literally be summed up as "We have more tanks!" The Novamarines who are pretty much just "the Ultramarines with a weird paint scheme." Compared to other non founding Chapters, the Blood Ravens are extremely well developed and characterized, even better than some of the founding chapters even! (Iron hands get no love).
Especially Gabrial Angelos and Davian Thule (or as 4chan calls the latter, Davian COOL). Sergeants Cyrus and Tarkus are also well-developed; and while the former appears to be an expy of Ultramarines Sergeant Telion, IMHO, Cyrus is more likable because instead of just reading about his exploits, we've actually seen him in action and interacted with him in the DoW II games.
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2013/04/27 11:03:53
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Super Ready wrote: One of the reasons for the theory of Dorn being Primarch is that a couple of relics bearing his name turn up as wargear items in DoW2. I don't recall any other Primarch names on wargear either. To my knowledge, Black Templars are the only psyker-hating successor Chapter - certainly the Fists themselves have no trouble there.
The link to Blood Angels is in name only, and as a result *VERY* unlikely. What are the odds of being able to have no less than 7 games/expansions (8 if you count the brief cameo in Space Marine), one of which contains an Exterminatus(!), and there be absolutely no mention of the Black Rage? If they had cured the Flaw, I'm sure Dante, Seth and co would be on the case pronto
There were at least 6 different primarch names on gear in DOW2, including russ, gulliman, corax to name a few, only reason i remember is im playing through the campaign
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2013/04/27 11:47:30
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
From the novel A Thousand Sons: "The Ravens. I see them too. The lost sons and a Raven of blood. They cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied!"
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2013/04/27 12:53:41
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
Nope- they are not from TS cause red boyz were COOL...*duck for cover*
Anyway there are "hints" , but there are "if's" also...
chapter founding (Pre-early M37 IIRC), flash change, and 4th fellowship (who have renounced Magnus) was attacked by WE upon returning to Prospero....
IMO they are like mssing primarchs....majority of people think that one legion is purged by Russ and other added to UM...it is hinted, but never comfirmed by GW....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
2013/04/27 13:12:47
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
DarthMarko wrote: Nope- they are not from TS cause red boyz were COOL...*duck for cover*
Anyway there are "hints" , but there are "if's" also...
chapter founding (Pre-early M37 IIRC), flash change, and 4th fellowship (who have renounced Magnus) was attacked by WE upon returning to Prospero....
IMO they are like mssing primarchs....majority of people think that one legion is purged by Russ and other added to UM...it is hinted, but never comfirmed by GW....
I'm having some difficulty deciphering what you're saying.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/04/27 13:14:03
Subject: Re:Let's play who's your primarch! Blood Raven edition
DarthMarko wrote: Nope- they are not from TS cause red boyz were COOL...*duck for cover*
Anyway there are "hints" , but there are "if's" also...
chapter founding (Pre-early M37 IIRC), flash change, and 4th fellowship (who have renounced Magnus) was attacked by WE upon returning to Prospero....
IMO they are like mssing primarchs....majority of people think that one legion is purged by Russ and other added to UM...it is hinted, but never comfirmed by GW....
I'm having some difficulty deciphering what you're saying.
I don't.
And Marko knows a lot about SW, and quite a lot about 1K sons too.
About a lot HH and 40K, actually!
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