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Even Wargamescon said they would ban thudd guns and a few other OP FW items for next year.

Not that big a deal imo to restrict some of the more broken things while still leaving armies open to further customization.

MTG (a way tighter tournament format) bans things all the time.

Though I won't be able to make the LVO this year, I don't think it's entirely a bad thing banning certain units that effectively 'break' the game. I also don't really see the need for Forgeworld at tournaments anymore, since the original reason of including them was the balance issues with fliers in early 6th edition that has since been (mostly) resolved.

People havee cool models they want to use?
And MTG, I though we all agreed to never mention that?

 Reecius wrote:
OK guys,

I have been talking to the folks at Forge World about this. I told them I have been a staunch champion of their products and that this model is just way out of line.

They told me they take all feedback seriously and were very responsive.

So, please write them and tell them that this model is way over the top and if enough of us do so, they will listen.

Here's the email: forgeworld@gwplc.com

Seriously, if this matters to you speak up! Let them know we all love the model and want to use it but as is it is way to crazy.

Dear Forge World,

I am a big fan of all of you products and I enjoy all of your models and rules. I just love the rules for the new Tau XV 107 R'Varna Battlesuit and hope you make them official as soon as possible. I can’t wait to buy 3 of those awesome models, and maybe more as Christmas presents for my friends!

Sincerely.

Your biggest fan, Carl Tuttle.

Now im going to email that to them.

I don't use and have never used thud guns, I don't even think they are all that great in todays meta.

The fact that they have things like the Seer Council and Screamer Star/ Fate Weaver it is pretty crazy to point the finger at FW in todays game and say that they have broken units.

That said, I'm not hear to debate unit strengths. Reecius and the guys will post the rules of the Tournaments and everyone should bring the Army they want to play. Zero Comp boys, bring whatever TOYS you want to play with, under the rules of the tournament, and bring the PAIN! ...And Whiners beware!

That is right Dugg, if there are broken units and combos it is your fault for not using them!

If you don't, you deserve to lose.

 Blackmoor wrote:
That is right Dugg, if there are broken units and combos it is your fault for not using them!

If you don't, you deserve to lose.

If Reecius and the guys allow it, bring it.

That's a big IF.

Budzerker wrote:
MTG (a way tighter tournament format) bans things all the time.

MTG rarely bans things in the main tournament format (Standard) and only when a preponderance of the evidence shows that no other option is reasonable, and only when a great many experts have weighed their opinions and debated the merits of any actions. Making bans has to have the confidence of the community that they are being done only because the greater health of the game requires it. If bans are perceived by the community at large to be unnecessary or random they undermine players belief that TOs/game designers actually know what they are doing and will make players hesitant to make purchases, for fear that whatever they buy will be disallowed in a month or so.

Also, and I have a lot I could say (but won't) about this, MTG can make bans in part BECAUSE it is a tight tournament game. If GW or the TOs could make WH40K as tight as Magic, it would open a world of doors for comp to be added to the game in a reasonable and workable way. Because 40K has soooo many other issues, though, adding comp is probably not the best way to improve the tournament format.

Thunderfire Cannons > Thudd Guns, anyway.

This model is just so insanely over the top I felt that action needed to be taken.

And yeah, with the insane stuff in the game like Screamerstars, Seer Councils, Quad Riptides, etc. etc. etc. Forgeworld doesn't do much to upset that. Those units "break" the game if that is even an accurate thing to say.

Doug is the only person to win a GT with any FW units so far that I have heard of, honestly. Correct me if I am wrong there, but I have heard of no others.

And our events are geared towards providing a FUN, fair environment. It is fun to use all of your toys and our data shows that the majority of the people who play in our events agree. If that ever changes, we will change too. An overwhelming majority of folks said they enjoyed having FW and, there was a move from the negative to the positive after our events. That to me says all I need to know about it.

Let me be clear here. "Experimental" rules should never be allowed in a tournament, especially and Major GT. Would you allow an experimental 7th Ed rule set in a 6th ED Tournament? No of course not. Once the battle suits rules get printed in an IA book with the 40k Aprooved stamp then it should be allowed in a FW tournamont and/or then the TOs call, but allowing clearly stated "Experimental" rules in a large GT would be bad.

I think any debate about if it is or isn't OP as it stands right now is irrelevant, as to allowing it in a GT, with a stamp of Experemental rule on it.

That said I'm sure it will get down graded some once it gets printed in a Book but it will still be strong and at least a little OP.

Yeah, they are going to make it AP 2 and to balance it out, limit the range to 60".

Anyway, if the multiple hits and double fire are tone down, it should be fine. As it stands, the stats+damage output are too much when you consider it can ignore cover potentially.

We've never allowed experimental rules, so no worries there.

@Adam

I am agree 100%, just take away the damage multiplication and it's not so bad. Make the NOVA charge an increase in strength, like the Ion cannon, and it's fine. Still really damn powerful, but not so insane as it is now.

They also need to not be Pulse Weapons.

Just take a plasma siphon from a GK detachment and laugh. Unless they roll a hit, then cry, cry uncontrollably. I doubt the official rules will be out for it in the next couple months anyways. Tomb stalkers took forever to get an approved stamp on their rules.

Isnt the next FW book going to be Space Marines? Do we need to worry about Tau for the LVO?

MVBrandt wrote:
They also need to not be Pulse Weapons.

Hahahaha, I didn't even notice that! Yeaaaahhhhhh.....

@Thread

Yeah, they in all likelihood won't be in an official book anytime soon, but occasionally FW does release 40K approved rules without the book.

So my ride and the person I was going to share a room with isnt going :(
I guess it will be the Train for me. Is it possible you guys will set things up so people can talk for room sharing

Hotsaucegirlpony, look on Frontline Gaming's forum. There is at least one person looking to share a room with someone.

Hotsauce....girl.....pony?
Anyway thanks

I heard we're playing 40k on Craps tables.

 Reecius wrote:
We'll see what the official rules are but as it stands, that thing is broken as broken can be. We may have to introduce a ban list as much as I hate to say that.

We'll have to wait and see the official rules, but as of right now, we have no restrictions on FW.

Thought about sigging the first line (just giving you a hard time)

But seriously, while everyone's "broken" line is different, as it's subjective... I'm just really glad to see you will at least consider banning something put out by FW if it's insane.

This post is not meant sarcastically, it is genuine... sometimes people stand by lines in the sand even if they clearly don't make sense, and I'm glad to see that you wouldn't be doing so if those rules were made official / final.

Cheers

If you do introduce a ban list, will the codex units be affected? Because I dont like fateweaver.

Will Forgeworld be allowed for Fantasy?? Also why no special characters for fantasy?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you do introduce a ban list, will the codex units be affected? Because I dont like fateweaver.

And here we go.....

It should be pointed out that the person most against banning this Tau model is a Tau player.

Im not against banning it, Besides I might not even getting it What Im against is the prinicibal that we can cherrypick certain units that are too OP. Because If we do I go a nice long list of things I do not like

I do too, but you start banning CODEX entries because YOU don't like them, then they will fill the void with other things that you in turn won't like. People will then petition for those to get banned, and the cycle continues. I run daemons, and I don't like fateweaver, but that doesn't mean I want him banned. I highly doubt any banned lists will occur in any GT, those kind of limits are for FLGS.

I dont want anything banned, I want people to have the right to build the army list they want.