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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:33:45
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Fenris, Drinking
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OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
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"They can't say no when they are stunned "- Taric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:35:32
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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strybjorn Grimskull wrote:OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
1,2,4: LIKE A BAUSS much?
3.: That's cooler, and more grimdark.
5. Vikings are cool. Vikings in SPESS aren't.
6. Drunk vikings a model for legions to be build around? Fully independent for bigger chance of going traitor? Yeah, sure.
I hate 'em 'cause of the fanboys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:41:05
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Omegus wrote:The reason they remained a Legion is because they kill anyone of authority that comes to question them, and somehow this is okay for them but not any other member of the Imperium. Oh, and they are Space Marines but they are actually better than Space Marines while also being drunken human Viking stereotypes. They lord over a single deathworld of primitives, yet somehow have the human man-power to crew a fleet bigger than that of a Segmentum. They get to flaunt the Imperial Truth and cling to superstitions, they judge their brethren while guilty of many of the same infractions (Blood Angels, Thousand Sons, World Eaters, etc.). They get to execute members of the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy and its totally okay. Oh, and they get to be the only Space Marines with working junk.
They are basically a teenager's fanwank version of Space Marines. They were Wardian before Ward.
All of this, they've been this way even before / TG/ got ahold of wards fluff (that was copied from previous SM codex's  ) and threw it out of proportion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:45:43
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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strybjorn Grimskull wrote:OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
This isn't a biased post at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:48:02
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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lulz tehy iz vikingz.... IN SPAAAAAACE!!!
Honestly, the Wolves kick ass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 10:53:27
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Fenris, Drinking
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Void__Dragon wrote: strybjorn Grimskull wrote:OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
This isn't a biased post at all.
So we are not supposed to take sides, ok then here is me balancing it out.
Space wolves appear to suffer from "wee man syndrom" however despite that, they are still "bauss".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:03:08
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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DarthMarko wrote:
Because I like the TS (especially Ahriman's renegades) as much as I like the rout...I don't like Magnus....
ADB's ramblings about "lessons" notwithstanding ??? LOL
Tell him that on his FB page...
The Burning of Prospero is far from the only entry in the litany of the Wolves' flaws, you just always like to jump to that because it's easier to dismiss people as having a TS bias than directly addressing criticisms of your beloved Wolves.
As for Ahriman, for what its worth, he ends up as much or more of a tool than Magnus by the end of Exile.
And yes, ADB's talks of lessons are irrelevant; Russ did not have the authority to demand Angron surrender to him and submit to de-implantation.
Also "get out of jail card (for the rich bastards)" was in the aftermath....So stop twisting the facts....
Were the "I" absolute in their actions??? NO...!
There is no middle ground...If they were I could even understand them....
I took you on your word about this the first time around, but after going through the Emperor's Gift, there is no mention of "rich bastards" getting a pass. The entire population was condemned, and the only reason the planet wasn't subject to Exterminatus was the value of its industry. If I'm guilty of twisting facts, it's facts you fabricated. Through their narrow-minded and naive concept of honor, the Space Wolves helped condemn billions to death. It took Bjorn to talk some sense into Grimnar, and he still huffed and puffed like a spoiled child. But like Hyperion said, the Wolves weren't bred to be thinkers, and their self-delusion is admirable... to a point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:06:03
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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^ It does in the SW codex.... pg 23 Aftermath
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:11:43
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Who gives a damn?
Which is to say, that something as minor as the most wealthy and power individuals on Armageddon managing to be beyond the Inquisition's reach is not exactly unprecedented nor is it necessarily damning of the Inquisition. It is a line of fluff that you are assuming the worst of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:14:47
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm fairly neutral to positive towards the space wolves. They have a sense of honor and a value for civilians that I like, but they're loose cannon attitude is extremely dangerous, especially when their status as a founding chapter makes them more or less beyond reproach by any other authority.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:15:16
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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This is probably the core of my dislike. They tend to attract the most juvenile and rabid "wolfs are the bestest at everything and total bausses and ur just jelus plus they get drunk a lot and thats kewl" type of fanboy. The tabletop reflects this, with the player behind the army usually being far more obnoxious than their crazy rules. Not all of them are like that, of course, but I feel comfortable with an estimate of 90%.
Oh, and I guess there's all the wet leopard purring, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:18:28
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Wet-leopard purring is one of their most endearing attributes, along with battle brother riding on top of battle brother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:25:21
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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DarthMarko wrote:^ It does in the SW codex.... pg 23 Aftermath
Good find. Although in the BL material, Grimnar doesn't give a crap about the populace and is mainly concerned about the soldiers. Still, it doesn't say those spared were allowed to leave. These "wealthy and influential" individuals were likely the various administrators, and they simply continued their duties with a new work force. You are inferring a lot about just how much leeway they got. And, of course, money talks (even the Emperor himself had to humor wealthy and influential individuals...see Outcast Dead, for example).
This is probably a better way of putting it:
Void__Dragon wrote:Who gives a damn?
Which is to say, that something as minor as the most wealthy and power individuals on Armageddon managing to be beyond the Inquisition's reach is not exactly unprecedented nor is it necessarily damning of the Inquisition. It is a line of fluff that you are assuming the worst of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:25:48
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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What the hell did Marko do wrong now VD? He was just quoting fluff.
As for brother riding brother that's from Magnus the Red, AKA Mr. Enemy. It just can't be bought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:25:59
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Omegus wrote:
This is probably the core of my dislike. They tend to attract the most juvenile and rabid "wolfs are the bestest at everything and total bausses and ur just jelus plus they get drunk a lot and thats kewl" type of fanboy. The tabletop reflects this, with the player behind the army usually being far more obnoxious than their crazy rules. Not all of them are like that, of course, but I feel comfortable with an estimate of 90%.
The ire that Space Wolves fans attract really irritates me to be honest, but then, I don't think it's exactly wrong either. There does seem to be a lot of fanboy-ism; probably more so than with other factions.
I've often wondered if the Space Wolf/Thousand Son divide is quite so prominent on other boards too, on that note...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:26:06
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Omegus wrote:
The Burning of Prospero is far from the only entry in the litany of the Wolves' flaws, you just always like to jump to that because it's easier to dismiss people as having a TS bias than directly addressing criticisms of your beloved Wolves.[/spoiler]
Now point me where did I mention the TS ?
I said Emperor, Tzeench, Horus and Magnus....
My opinion was always traitor primarch/ loyal legion....and this is like always on my behalf....
And where did I ever acuse you of anything...???
I even enjoyed your humor , even though on my second post on dakka, guy told me - don't explain things to him, he is a huge SW hater who wouldn't hear anything which isn't a SW hate....
But when you put your hate glasses on....hmmmmm.....let's say you are not so funny anymore, dude...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:26:30
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fixture of Dakka
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One thing I want to know, how does a legion that consists of ten to a hundred thousand space marines that never divided itself drop to one and a half thousand full-fledged battle brothers plus the standard vehicle crews and whatnot who usually aren't' included on the official roster. Their recruitment rates seem to be good and they didn't go through any truly catastrophic losses. Unless the wolves are pulling a fast one on the imperium and each great pack secretly consists of a thousand or more battle brothers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:28:15
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Don't play dumb, this is far from our first rodeo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:29:36
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Kain wrote:One thing I want to know, how does a legion that consists of ten to a hundred thousand space marines that never divided itself drop to one and a half thousand full-fledged battle brothers plus the standard vehicle crews and whatnot who usually aren't' included on the official roster. Their recruitment rates seem to be good and they didn't go through any truly catastrophic losses. Unless the wolves are pulling a fast one on the imperium and each great pack secretly consists of a thousand or more battle brothers.
I've heard "Great scouring, speartip" going crazy over Empy's death.....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:31:52
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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I thought the Space Wolves might be 12-15k. strong, I never figured them for stronger than that, and remember they are rule-breakers. They break rules just for the purpose of breaking rules, that I think breed the hatred of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:33:39
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Now, you made laugh again...
It isn't? Oooo, how the time flys....And I don't play dumb I have memory leaks from 12 h programming, 2 l of coffe and 1 kg of sugar daily....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 11:34:50
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Kain wrote:One thing I want to know, how does a legion that consists of ten to a hundred thousand space marines that never divided itself drop to one and a half thousand full-fledged battle brothers plus the standard vehicle crews and whatnot who usually aren't' included on the official roster. Their recruitment rates seem to be good and they didn't go through any truly catastrophic losses. Unless the wolves are pulling a fast one on the imperium and each great pack secretly consists of a thousand or more battle brothers.
General estimates put the Wolves at around 60-70,000 during the Great Crusade (one of the smaller Legions), in my experience. They will have lost a lot of men fighting the Thousand Sons and Alpha Legion, then also during the Scouring.
They have also been divided in half once, which would suggest they were down to around 6000 men when they formed the Wolf Brothers (estimates put the Wolves chapter at around 2000-3000; I seem to recall Chris Wraith stating around 2300, but I don't have an actual source for this).
There's a lot of ambiguity about how they became so small, but it's worth bearing in mind that this may also be due to the expansion of the "official" Legion sizes from 10,000's to 100,000's (done during the early-middle of the HH series). The Wolves were stated as only having 1 successor Chapter when they were only supposed to number 10,000 originally; which may help explain the discrepancy.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 12:51:15
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Pretty sure the OP was trolling. That, or his dakka-sense is underdevelopped.
As for Armageddon: the main thing it`s supposed to do IMHO is to highlight that the SW hold different views compared to the imperium. Whereas in the grimdarkness of yadayadayada it is acceptable to neuter the lowly workers of a population and force-labor them to death, I can see a
Chapter like them take offense. Fenris, as a deathworld, knows only one universal profession: fighting to survive. Hence the SW adhere strongly to a viking inspired warrior culture. Their beef with the big I is not so much that the poor get fethed while the rich live on shielded by their wealth and importance, but the fact that those who have done the thing in life which Fenrisians respect most are punished for their deeds. It does make them more humane, but not necessarily the brightest of all chapters considering the risks.
The whole hatred thing is mainly due to people wanting them to be Mary Sues who drink Ale (I suspect the taint of chan here). I have wolves and I like my beer-swigging, chainsword swinging dudes, but for me they don`t have to be always trolling the Inquisition, or
always beating the TS. I like my wolves being able to lose a cruiser to the Red Corsairs and my Russ regretting that he was so stupid and shallow-minded that he allowed himself to be tricked into nearly killing a brother and destroying a planet in the process. I like the idea that Magnus probably was a far better and more intelligent indiviual who understood what was going on. As an academic I think someone who actually values knowledge without fearing it has a meaningfull role to fulfill. The wolves have always been there to fulfill the role of troublemakers breaking all the rules and fething gak up. I also like that role, to the point where it stops becoming entirely incredible (even for the 40K) setting. Still, without that rule-breaking we would never have had the predator annihilator so it must serve some purpose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 13:26:41
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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The space wolves are the most honourable chapter as Armageddon proves. Automatically Appended Next Post: Void__Dragon wrote:Wet-leopard purring is one of their most endearing attributes, along with battle brother riding on top of battle brother.
Is the 2nd part of that sentence deliberate or accidental innuendo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 13:34:37
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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It's deliberate. He actually believes the wolves on Fenris came from humans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 14:26:29
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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strybjorn Grimskull wrote:OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
Don't see how their independence is such a good thing, the fact that they're stubborn as hell and don't get along with a lot of other Imperial factions combined with this means that there is more chance of them clashing with other chapters which isn't good for unity at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 15:49:21
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Personally I love the Space Wolves; my problem is with the new comers. Not because They are overenthusiastic about them. It is the attitude towards them that has become the problem.
I have been playing Space Wolves since 1989, the only time I ever shelves them was for about 3 months after the 2nd edition Codex cam out I went from being the only one to one of 12 in the local Meta.
I was actually nor playing when the 3rd edition Codex came out. When I came back in early 5th edition I was hardly noticed other than somewhere saying I was playing an "Old and Beardy Army".
Then the 5th edition Codex came out and the “Flavor of the Month” crowd came out and discovered the 5x ML SPAM.
I went from that “Guy who Played Space Wolves” to a “FotM Cheese Monger” when I was still playing my basic 3rd edition list with a 5th edition upgrade.
Then 6th came out and I become “FotM Psychic Cheese Monger”.
I feel the hate so much some times that I don’t go to the Local Not So Friendly Game Store any more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 15:55:52
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Is it that bad? I mean it's just a game, no reason to start World War III. Then again I'm of the mindset that if you see something you don't like, you don't discuss it. You don't see me discussing Tau f.ex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 16:04:48
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Beaviz81 wrote:Is it that bad? I mean it's just a game, no reason to start World War III. Then again I'm of the mindset that if you see something you don't like, you don't discuss it. You don't see me discussing Tau f.ex.
It can be when you are called TFG before you can finish pull your 1st Grey Hunter Pack out of your storage tray.
And this is from a guy who I had only met 20min before the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/28 16:20:17
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Ardaric_Vaanes wrote: strybjorn Grimskull wrote:OMG people hating on the space wolves there are 6 possible reasons.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss
2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss
3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead
4.Russ is a boss
5.They dislike vikings
6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
Don't see how their independence is such a good thing, the fact that they're stubborn as hell and don't get along with a lot of other Imperial factions combined with this means that there is more chance of them clashing with other chapters which isn't good for unity at all.
They know what they fight for and will set aside differences for the good of the Imperium though. Grimnar and Azrael put aside their differences and fought Typhus' forces on several planets during the 13th Black Crusade.
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