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Faeit received several warnings and failed to heed them or so it appears. I am sure another rumors blog will spring up soon and the Naftka blog will be forgotten. I don't really care one way or another. It is just some pictures on the internet... doesn't really matter to be from whence they appear.
Dozer Blades wrote: Faeit received several warnings and failed to heed them or so it appears. I am sure another rumors blog will spring up soon and the Naftka blog will be forgotten. I don't really care one way or another. It is just some pictures on the internet... doesn't really matter to be from whence they appear.
If everyone gets closed down, the pictures won't appear from anywhere.
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(I'm only on page 8, so I'm not commenting on anything beyond that... if this has been pointed out, I'm sorry.)
And yet, GW's stock rises. Today is probably too soon to see whether this move was a financially sound one, but right now it looks like their backers approve.
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Dozer Blades wrote: Faeit received several warnings and failed to heed them or so it appears. I am sure another rumors blog will spring up soon and the Naftka blog will be forgotten. I don't really care one way or another. It is just some pictures on the internet... doesn't really matter to be from whence they appear.
Only relevant if what they were doing was wrong or illegal. GW can send notices till they are blue in the face, that doesnt make their claim valid. The only thing which appears to have befallen Faeit was ignoring Google and their ToS...but it appears that Nafka refutes that...in his posts on BoLS.
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Farseer Faenyin wrote: "We have lost the sales of old models for the (Insert Infringed Army Here) because somebody leaked that new models were on the way and provided hard evidence. Because of this, we lost $X of average models sales for this range. We need to shut it down!"
Dozer Blades wrote: Faeit received several warnings and failed to heed them or so it appears. I am sure another rumors blog will spring up soon and the Naftka blog will be forgotten. I don't really care one way or another. It is just some pictures on the internet... doesn't really matter to be from whence they appear.
If everyone gets closed down, the pictures won't appear from anywhere.
But since everyone who is upset never buys from GW anyways because supporting GW is immoral, then never seeing leaked models of a product they will never buy anyways doesn't really impact them.
And since people who buy GW are all brainwashed GW supporters, they already support GW's legal claims to block leaked/pirated materials. So they are happy about the photos being blocked.
So everyone wins? Unless there are people who shake their fist and gnash their teeth at GW but continue to buy plasticrack and are addicted to these photos as well as GW's product. I was lead to believe those people don't exist.
Kromlech released a new cool model and is now getting my money... I am not going to get upset over GW's dealings, companies who make me happy get my money.
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Farseer Faenyin wrote: "We have lost the sales of old models for the (Insert Infringed Army Here) because somebody leaked that new models were on the way and provided hard evidence. Because of this, we lost $X of average models sales for this range. We need to shut it down!"
HA! Good luck actually proving that.
Not to mention, in this theoretical situation, those lost sales have been replaced by sales of your new product, you've been running inventory down in preparation for the new release, so in actual fact, nothing is lost, in the long run.
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The question is: Do we let GW tank on itself and let them continue to damage "our" hobby? or do we start putting as much info out there for people to decide whether or not they want to continue to support a corrupt company... I almost hate to admit it, but GW has become a corrupt, money-mongering, self-absorbed sorry excuse of a product. It just burns me to no end that they are so infatuated with the idea that they are doing good for themselves that they are willing to go to legal-war with the world to say "We're the best!". I take pride in smacking anyone or anything down that gets out of line and I do wonder how many others fell the same way...
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WarlordRob117 wrote: The question is: Do we let GW tank on itself and let them continue to damage "our" hobby? or do we start putting as much info out there for people to decide whether or not they want to continue to support a corrupt company... I almost hate to admit it, but GW has become a corrupt, money-mongering, self-absorbed sorry excuse of a product. It just burns me to no end that they are so infatuated with the idea that they are doing good for themselves that they are willing to go to legal-war with the world to say "We're the best!". I take pride in smacking anyone or anything down that gets out of line and I do wonder how many others fell the same way...
If you disagree with GW's business practices, stop buying from them. It's really that simple.
So long as you buy their products, they'll continue to do things like this.
GW is a model company. One of the main things they are worried about is re-casts.
If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.
I think in addition to protecting their IP, GW is attempting to stop pre-release fake models.
If the quality is roughly the same and the price of a re-cast is far, far less, many people would buy that model, especially if they can get their hands on it before the "official" model is released.
I think part of the trouble the rumor sites got into was the 3d model that was made from the pix they released. GW, I'm sure, is very worried about this.
evancich wrote: If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.
As has been said, that's absurd.
The recaster would then have to sculpt and create a new model whilst GW already has the stock made and ready to sell within a couple of weeks.
GW is a model company. One of the main things they are worried about is re-casts.
If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.
I think in addition to protecting their IP, GW is attempting to stop pre-release fake models.
If the quality is roughly the same and the price of a re-cast is far, far less, many people would buy that model, especially if they can get their hands on it before the "official" model is released.
I think part of the trouble the rumor sites got into was the 3d model that was made from the pix they released. GW, I'm sure, is very worried about this.
I think you have a fundamental confusion between a recast and another company producing a unique model based on a GW concept.
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This is the same thing Rancored Elf got in trouble with WotC over. Posting rumors is one thing. Photographing IP and putting it on your website before it's released to the public by the copyright holder is absurd.
Unfortunately, Faeit doesn't post very much commentary along with these things, so even of he could afford to litigate, I don't think it would go well for him.
I bet he'll be back rumor mongering soon. You'll just have to learn to take his word for it becuse he won't be posting anymore pics.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's not just about recasts, it's about anyone who would've bought WD just to see the High Elf preview and now doesn't need to because Faeit leaked it.
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Shamsael wrote: This is the same thing Rancored Elf got in trouble with WotC over. Posting rumors is one thing. Photographing IP and putting it on your website before it's released to the public by the copyright holder is absurd.
Unfortunately, Faeit doesn't post very much commentary along with these things, so even of he could afford to litigate, I don't think it would go well for him.
I bet he'll be back rumor mongering soon. You'll just have to learn to take his word for it becuse he won't be posting anymore pics.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's not just about recasts, it's about anyone who would've bought WD just to see the High Elf preview and now doesn't need to because Faeit leaked it.
There is no provision on how much commentary has to be done. Conceivably, his Monday night commentary could be considered enough, however, he posts a lot more than that during the week. In the end, it won't matter for each post specifically, because the website establishes a pattern of news reporting, therefore protecting him.
GW is evil/greedy/stupid/mean/crazy/insert other complaint....
All of this hate and venom...on a FAN SITE!
I know that I’m in the minority here, but I just have to say this…people have been ripping off GW for years, and try in every way to do it every day…
No? How about all of the “bitz makers”? Don’t think that they should be punished for making Shoulder Pads that “GW doesn’t make”?
They are ILLEGALLY using someone else’s COPYWRITTEN material to make money. Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
How about putting COPYWRITTEN material up without the owner’s CONSENT? Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
All of you twits can whine and moan all you like, but the truth is GW is the biggest player out there, so everyone tries to take everything that they can out of them.
I know that some of their directions/policies don’t make sense to us…but guess what? YOU ARE NOT IN THE BOARD ROOM. YOU DON’T KNOW WHY THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO.
You can guess. You can assume. You can use your sources/diploma/insider information/magic to try and understand what GW does, but unless you are IN THE BOARD ROOM when these policies are determined, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off about something that you know nothing about.
So, if you want to “spend your money” on something else, then go do it. PLEASE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I, for one, am so SICK AND TIRED of reading nothing but “GW IS EVIL” posts on a FAN SITE. I might as well go get my daily fix of 40K stuff on PRIVATEER PRESS’ website, for all the hate and complaining I see here.
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evancich wrote: If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.
As has been said, that's absurd.
The recaster would then have to sculpt and create a new model whilst GW already has the stock made and ready to sell within a couple of weeks.
This is not at all a realistic concern.
Totally disagree. Based on the leaked Eldar pix, some folks were able to model the "yet to be released" model in ProE or SolidWorks. The file was good enough to send to a CNC machine.
Yes, yes GW could have many of those models sitting in a warehouse and ready to ship in 6 weeks or so. I can take those G-codes and do a print on demand run and make roughly the same model and sell it for maybe 25% of the cost of the GW model and I can beat them to the channel and my ability to handle demand is based on many CNC print on demand services that exist. I didn't have to pay the scuptlers or the R&D, I just had some guys send a few hours and make me a 3d model and I put the correct vectors and geo in it and poof I can build thousands of them, faster and cheaper than GW.
This is one of the things GW is worried about and it finally happened in the leaked Eldar pix.
Is making a 3d model off pix that different than getting it in hand and making rubber molds? Who cares, the end result is the same. Faux models entering the channel for a lot less than GW sells them.
Matney X wrote: (I'm only on page 8, so I'm not commenting on anything beyond that... if this has been pointed out, I'm sorry.)
And yet, GW's stock rises. Today is probably too soon to see whether this move was a financially sound one, but right now it looks like their backers approve.
Even if this all is something GW is responsible for, I highly doubt it's anything that would have affected their stock price at all. Aside from Mr. Kirby, all of GW's relevant shareholders are large Hedge Funds that make their decisions at far higher levels.
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GW is evil/greedy/stupid/mean/crazy/insert other complaint....
All of this hate and venom...on a FAN SITE!
I know that I’m in the minority here, but I just have to say this…people have been ripping off GW for years, and try in every way to do it every day…
No? How about all of the “bitz makers”? Don’t think that they should be punished for making Shoulder Pads that “GW doesn’t make”?
They are ILLEGALLY using someone else’s COPYWRITTEN material to make money. Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
How about putting COPYWRITTEN material up without the owner’s CONSENT? Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
All of you twits can whine and moan all you like, but the truth is GW is the biggest player out there, so everyone tries to take everything that they can out of them.
I know that some of their directions/policies don’t make sense to us…but guess what? YOU ARE NOT IN THE BOARD ROOM. YOU DON’T KNOW WHY THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO.
You can guess. You can assume. You can use your sources/diploma/insider information/magic to try and understand what GW does, but unless you are IN THE BOARD ROOM when these policies are determined, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off about something that you know nothing about.
So, if you want to “spend your money” on something else, then go do it. PLEASE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I, for one, am so SICK AND TIRED of reading nothing but “GW IS EVIL” posts on a FAN SITE. I might as well go get my daily fix of 40K stuff on PRIVATEER PRESS’ website, for all the hate and complaining I see here.
Don't feel compelled to listen to many other people, with various levels of legal insight/qualification saying that what Faiet, and, as you seem to be referring to them, CHS are doing may well be legal and GW's actions tantamount to bullying, hey?
Plus, this is a FAN SITE for WARGAMING not for GAMES WORKSHOP, and, as is often pointed out, if they do something people like, they will receive praise, they just don't do it that often in many people's eyes these days.
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No, no, Canute knew that he couldn't stop the tide and was showing this to his courtiers. It's only in the retelling that he comes across as a pillock.
GW is evil/greedy/stupid/mean/crazy/insert other complaint....
All of this hate and venom...on a FAN SITE!
I know that I’m in the minority here, but I just have to say this…people have been ripping off GW for years, and try in every way to do it every day…
No? How about all of the “bitz makers”? Don’t think that they should be punished for making Shoulder Pads that “GW doesn’t make”?
They are ILLEGALLY using someone else’s COPYWRITTEN material to make money. Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
How about putting COPYWRITTEN material up without the owner’s CONSENT? Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
All of you twits can whine and moan all you like, but the truth is GW is the biggest player out there, so everyone tries to take everything that they can out of them.
I know that some of their directions/policies don’t make sense to us…but guess what? YOU ARE NOT IN THE BOARD ROOM. YOU DON’T KNOW WHY THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO.
You can guess. You can assume. You can use your sources/diploma/insider information/magic to try and understand what GW does, but unless you are IN THE BOARD ROOM when these policies are determined, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off about something that you know nothing about.
So, if you want to “spend your money” on something else, then go do it. PLEASE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I, for one, am so SICK AND TIRED of reading nothing but “GW IS EVIL” posts on a FAN SITE. I might as well go get my daily fix of 40K stuff on PRIVATEER PRESS’ website, for all the hate and complaining I see here.
Way to go on not reading the thread and making judgements without knowing the facts.
GW is evil/greedy/stupid/mean/crazy/insert other complaint....
All of this hate and venom...on a FAN SITE!
I know that I’m in the minority here, but I just have to say this…people have been ripping off GW for years, and try in every way to do it every day…
No? How about all of the “bitz makers”? Don’t think that they should be punished for making Shoulder Pads that “GW doesn’t make”?
They are ILLEGALLY using someone else’s COPYWRITTEN material to make money. Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
How about putting COPYWRITTEN material up without the owner’s CONSENT? Guess what? THAT’S ILLEGAL.
All of you twits can whine and moan all you like, but the truth is GW is the biggest player out there, so everyone tries to take everything that they can out of them.
I know that some of their directions/policies don’t make sense to us…but guess what? YOU ARE NOT IN THE BOARD ROOM. YOU DON’T KNOW WHY THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO.
You can guess. You can assume. You can use your sources/diploma/insider information/magic to try and understand what GW does, but unless you are IN THE BOARD ROOM when these policies are determined, all you are doing is shooting your mouth off about something that you know nothing about.
So, if you want to “spend your money” on something else, then go do it. PLEASE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I, for one, am so SICK AND TIRED of reading nothing but “GW IS EVIL” posts on a FAN SITE. I might as well go get my daily fix of 40K stuff on PRIVATEER PRESS’ website, for all the hate and complaining I see here.
Dude - enough of us DO know enough about the law to know that, no, the 'Bits Makers' aren't breaking the law.
Look up after market conversions - pretty much every good model company on the planet has smaller companies that make things for use with their models, from brass etched deck guns to rat lines.
Most model companies even go so far as to send kits to some of the bigger after market companies, because they increase sales.
Every automobile company has smaller companies that make after market parts, from seat coves to mufflers, to entire new bodies designed to go on existing chassis.
Some of the automobile companies have taken after market producers to court - and they have lost every time.
So, the part that some people are missing is IT ISN'T ILLEGAL, STUPID!
GW depends on the small companies not having the funds to defend themselves - and now, some of those companies have started fighting back. But others... just don't have the funds to do so. Not having the funds does not mean that they are wrong or breaking the law, it means that they cannot afford to take it to court.
There is a pretty major difference there.
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
GW is a model company. One of the main things they are worried about is re-casts.
If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.
I think in addition to protecting their IP, GW is attempting to stop pre-release fake models.
If the quality is roughly the same and the price of a re-cast is far, far less, many people would buy that model, especially if they can get their hands on it before the "official" model is released.
I think part of the trouble the rumor sites got into was the 3d model that was made from the pix they released. GW, I'm sure, is very worried about this.
What you describe isn't recasting, it's making a model that looks like GW, which is rather different.
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