Favorite Primarch and why?

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**HeraldofDisease**

Rippy wrote:
Have to say Mortarion as well. (I didn't know he had so many fans). After looking in to all the Primarchs, it was him that led me on my journey in to Death Guard lore, and got me collecting them today!

Glad to see another person repping mortarion! Way to go man!

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Russ, a giant space viking raised by giant space wolves who challanged the Emperor of mankind to a drinking contest. What's not to like?

A close second is actually Perturabo

**BrotherVord**

Cora's for being a bad ass....I also have a soft spot in my heart for Lorgar.

**Ardaric_Vaanes**

I'm still not 100% sure why...but Fulgrim, I think one of the reasons is because I identify certain similarities between us, mainly the perfectionist traits that he has. Plus he and his legion wear purple trimmed with gold and the 80's rock white hair styles (have you seen how amazing the pre-heresy Emperors Children look with that Regal colour scheme of theirs?!)

I think Fulgrim's downfall in the service of Slaanesh is pretty fascinating too, I enjoy reading about him whenever I get the opportunity. Although the whole thing with Ferrus Manus was pretty tragic (which added even more to my interest in him after the remorse he shows,) it is pretty amazing that he manages to defeat not one but two other Primarchs too.

I find him the most interesting out of the Primarchs, he's the one that I like to sit down with a beer and read about on a sunday night before nodding off, he genuinely interests me.

**HeraldofDisease**

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Russ, a giant space viking raised by giant space wolves who challanged the Emperor of mankind to a drinking contest. What's not to like?

A close second is actually Perturabo

Perturabo is actually pretty cool. i loe the treatment he got in angel extarminatus. Fleshed out alot of things about him.

**Void__Dragon**

Magnus the Red. For commanding awe-inspiring psychic power only the Emperor could outmatch. Magnus was always first among the Primarchs in terms of raw intelligence, and was certainly a scholar, but unlike Lorgar, he had the sense to realize that he was a warrior and general first, and did not neglect those aspects of his life. He has a lot of attributes I like in a male character, very tall and powerfully built, manly long hair, physically powerful, and I think Magnus more than all of them really demonstrated the Greek Tragedy aspects of the Primarchs. Magnus was truly great, and successful at almost anything he did. Yet this led to him becoming horribly arrogant, and his few shortcomings he concealed viciously, and in the end that damned both him, and a loyal legion.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Magnus the Red. For commanding awe-inspiring psychic power only the Emperor could outmatch. Magnus was always first among the Primarchs in terms of raw intelligence, and was certainly a scholar, but unlike Lorgar, he had the sense to realize that he was a warrior and general first, and did not neglect those aspects of his life. He has a lot of attributes I like in a male character, very tall and powerfully built, manly long hair, physically powerful, and I think Magnus more than all of them really demonstrated the Greek Tragedy aspects of the Primarchs. Magnus was truly great, and successful at almost anything he did. Yet this led to him becoming horribly arrogant, and his few shortcomings he concealed viciously, and in the end that damned both him, and a loyal legion.

I will say one thing it was pretty frikken cool when he destroyed an Eldar Titan with just his psychic powers!

**HeraldofDisease**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Magnus the Red. For commanding awe-inspiring psychic power only the Emperor could outmatch. Magnus was always first among the Primarchs in terms of raw intelligence, and was certainly a scholar, but unlike Lorgar, he had the sense to realize that he was a warrior and general first, and did not neglect those aspects of his life. He has a lot of attributes I like in a male character, very tall and powerfully built, manly long hair, physically powerful, and I think Magnus more than all of them really demonstrated the Greek Tragedy aspects of the Primarchs. Magnus was truly great, and successful at almost anything he did. Yet this led to him becoming horribly arrogant, and his few shortcomings he concealed viciously, and in the end that damned both him, and a loyal legion.

Magnus is real cool also. in truth there's not a Primarch i don't like some aspect of. The Thousand sons are definitely prolly one of if not THE most tragic stories. Magnus and his legions never ending thirst for knowledge (Along with a re-written order from Horus. lol) drove them all to damnation. Really makes me wonder what would have happened had the wolves been unsuccesful and both legions had found out they had been manipulated (But that's a discussion for another thread. lol) Good choice though

**TheKbob**

Pfft, all the people choosing our "Spiritual Liege"

Russ, where a real Primarch behaves like a real Primarch should.

"**** it, guys, we're not standing here with a our tails between our legs... who want's an all expenses paid trip to the Eye of Terror?"

And then he has to actually tell one of his bros to sit it out because they all went forth.

He's not hiding, or in stasis, or even dead. He's still messing stuff up!

**Void__Dragon**

I believe that statement more applies to Angron.

**PredaKhaine**

For me - Kurze.

He's seen the future and what happens the imperium. Then he tried to warn people but no one would listen.
Star systems would cease revolution when he came near because they were so scared of him - this enabled him to quell rebellions without firing a shot.
Not even Guilliaman could do that.
So he was censured for ensuring everyone was scared of him.
Then he blew his own planet up as a lasting example of what happens when you break his laws.
He let himself be killed to prove a point.
The fact he was a complete fruit loop is almost secondary...

**xSPYXEx**

Alpharius Omegon, of course.

Hey Gulliman, I bet you can't catch us! Come'on, just try. Oh, you killed Alpharius? Well, it's a good thing I'm Alpharius. And so is he. And those three guys as well.
Boy was Robby's face red when he broke his own laws, failed to complete what he set out to do, and the biggest Loyalist legion got destroyed by one of the smallest legions.

**HeraldofDisease**

xSPYXEx wrote:
Alpharius Omegon, of course.

Hey Gulliman, I bet you can't catch us! Come'on, just try. Oh, you killed Alpharius? Well, it's a good thing I'm Alpharius. And so is he. And those three guys as well.
Boy was Robby's face red when he broke his own laws, failed to complete what he set out to do, and the biggest Loyalist legion got destroyed by one of the smallest legions.

Yeah, I'm sure legion wise, the Alpha Legion, and the Ultramrines are the best opposits of any of them. Where Gulliman prefers straightforward tactics, as simple and efficient as possible, Alpharius/Omegon think outside the box. Something Gulliman is VERY uncomfortable with and would have the hardest time adapting to. Despite the Word Bearers grudge agains tthem. I think the Ultramrines true enemies would be the Alpha Legion.

**Badablack**

Konrad Kurze.

He is vengeance.

He is the night.

He is Batman.

**HeraldofDisease**

Badablack wrote:
Konrad Kurze.

He is vengeance.

He is the night.

He is Batman.

If batman were homicidal then yes. lol

**Skinless2**

HeraldofDisease wrote:
Badablack wrote:
Konrad Kurze.

He is vengeance.

He is the night.

He is Batman.

If batman were homicidal then yes. lol

If I remember correctly there were a few comics where he did indulge in the ol Murder Death Kill.

**JWhex**

At the Council of Nikea Mortarion came off as a whining snivelly cry baby and his protestations that he just wanted to "save" his brother from damnation was laughable. He really was a big old fraidy cat about the warp, is the best thing you could say about him.

Kurze suffered the worst philosophical bankruptcy of his father "the end justifies the means", and he was an insane homicidal maniac.

All of the traitors had very flimsy reasons for joining Horus, except perhaps Lorgar. I really dont view Magnus as having joined Horus so much as just screwing up on a galactic scale and limiting his own options.

**Void__Dragon**

Lorgar didn't join Horus.

Horus joined Lorgar.

**BlaxicanX**

1. Fulgrim
2. Perturabo
3. Sanguinus

**JWhex**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Lorgar didn't join Horus.

Horus joined Lorgar.

Lorgar may have fallen to chaos first but Lorgar did indeed join Horus. Horus was warmaster and had the loyalty of several other traitor legions. Lorgar had little more than contempt from the other legions. While Erebus manipulated and schemed in the fall of Horus, it was still Horus who held the reigns of power. Lorgar was barely in charge of his own legion and Kurze would have butchered Lorgar had Lorgar tried to order him around, same with Angron.

I know you just like to be contrary but why would you say that Horus joined Lorgar, that doesnt make any sense at all even as flame bait.

**Purifier**

Fulgrim, because when I was a child I joined a group, that barely played 40k at all, but still had named themselves the Emperor's Children, and that group of people, more than anything shaped me into what I am today.

**Sword Of Caliban**

The Lion. Because he does not trust anyone.

But I also really like Perturabo now even since reading Angel Exterminatus.

**TheDungen**

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
TheDungen wrote:
Horus had the best win/loss ratio (infinite), The lion had the most victories over all. So What made Guilliman the most successful?

He conquered more worlds than most, if not all, of his brothers, and he did it in the most efficient manner. Worlds conquered by Guilliman were left far better off and with minimum collateral, he didn't destroy to rebuild, he built upon what was there, improved the world, then moved on. He had his own Empire of 500 worlds, he had entire planets dedicated to production for the XIII Legion in terms of troops, training and supplies. Guilliman might not have won the most battles, or conquered the most worlds, but he built an Empire, which was what the Crusade was for, then he held the Imperium together and left it in what he thought were capable hands. He was the ideal Primarch, not just a fighter, but a politician, soldier, General, Admiral, Monarch, leader, conqueror, loyal son and more analytic than most computers. That's how he was the most successful.

EDIT: And not to mention brawling with Angron and Lorgar, possibly killing Alpharius, inspiring extreme courage in all around him, and making Horus send two Primarchs to take him out the way so that he didn't stop the invasion of Terra.

I can accept him conquering more worlds than any other one primarch but more than the rest together that read like Mat Ward.

**Sir Samuel Buca**

TheDungen wrote:
Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
TheDungen wrote:
Horus had the best win/loss ratio (infinite), The lion had the most victories over all. So What made Guilliman the most successful?

He conquered more worlds than most, if not all, of his brothers, and he did it in the most efficient manner. Worlds conquered by Guilliman were left far better off and with minimum collateral, he didn't destroy to rebuild, he built upon what was there, improved the world, then moved on. He had his own Empire of 500 worlds, he had entire planets dedicated to production for the XIII Legion in terms of troops, training and supplies. Guilliman might not have won the most battles, or conquered the most worlds, but he built an Empire, which was what the Crusade was for, then he held the Imperium together and left it in what he thought were capable hands. He was the ideal Primarch, not just a fighter, but a politician, soldier, General, Admiral, Monarch, leader, conqueror, loyal son and more analytic than most computers. That's how he was the most successful.

EDIT: And not to mention brawling with Angron and Lorgar, possibly killing Alpharius, inspiring extreme courage in all around him, and making Horus send two Primarchs to take him out the way so that he didn't stop the invasion of Terra.

I can accept him conquering more worlds than any other one primarch but more than the rest together that read like Mat Ward.

I didn't say all together, I meant all as in each of them.

**PunkNeverDie110**

TheKbob wrote:
He's not hiding, or in stasis, or even dead. He's still messing stuff up!

Yup, gotta love Russ.

PredaKhaine wrote:For me - Kurze.

He's seen the future and what happens the imperium. Then he tried to warn people but no one would listen.
Star systems would cease revolution when he came near because they were so scared of him - this enabled him to quell rebellions without firing a shot.
Not even Guilliaman could do that.
So he was censured for ensuring everyone was scared of him.
Then he blew his own planet up as a lasting example of what happens when you break his laws.
He let himself be killed to prove a point.
The fact he was a complete fruit loop is almost secondary...

Yeah, I actually have a soft spot for him.
1) He is the Batman of the 40k, and I'm a huge batman fan;
2) He was two sides of the same coin. There were Kurze, a great tactician, good guy. Then there were the Night Hunter, the psychopath that would murder you in the most horrorific way.

Void__Dragon wrote:I believe that statement more applies to Angron.

Meh, Angron problem was the Butcher's Nail, who hid his intelligence (yes, he wasn't the sharpest tool in the box, but still) behind the blood thirst thing.

**PredaKhaine**

I pity Kurze too. He knows that what the imperium is doing doesn't work, because he's seen it with his foresight.

So he questions the empy's methods.

Dorn can't handle criticism of the emp in any way, so he starts having a go at Kurze on the field of battle, in front of his enemies.
Kurze then kills a man to prove a point which only exacerbates things.
Then Fulgrim tells dorn that about Kurze's visions and Kurze ends up imprisoned because of that.

Typing that out - thats it I've decided I hate Dorn. Everything is his fault!

...where's that other thread gone...

**TheDiscoSpider**

Horus Lupercal, pre-getting-poked-by-a-magic-poison-dagger-that-makes-you-evil.

**twistedsurgeon**

Perturabo.

He did act a little petulant and childish when Dorn claimed to have built his impregnable fortress, but true to his word, the iron warriors made a damn good mess of it....

Speaking of which, I think I might have to convert to the iron warriors now.... :(

**Kasrkin229**

Vulkan primarch o the Salamanders - because he isn't a total douche

**Hospy**

Rogal Dorn, eh's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.

Also he's not a dick.

So basically Vulkan could be here too.