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Ghastly Grave Guard





Cambridge, UK

The part that I'm confused about came up when a Slann was trying to pass a miscast onto an enemy wizard. Does something have to be in your front arc in order to be within your line of sight?

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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Yes. You look "through the model's eyes".

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Ghastly Grave Guard





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So, how does this reconcile with the rules for spells? I mean, in the spell section, it goes out of its way to specifically state that "in the front arc" and "in line of sight" are, essentially, two different things. Like, an augment can be cast on a unit that does not need to be within line of sight nor within the front arc, but why mention "line of sight" in this case if, if a unit does NOT lie within the front arc, it also can't possibly be within line of sight?

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This is covered in the first few pages of the rulebook. LoS no longer includes an arc. For most things, like charging and shooting you must pick targets that are in your front arc and LoS. LoS is just a "model's eye view" but it is pretty much 360 since the imaginary person the model represents would be capable of turning his head and body to look in any direction.

So as far a Raw is concerned a Slaan can pass his miscast in any direction, unless it says in the FAQ it has to be in his front arc.

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Because Frontal Arc and LoS are not the same thing. Lots of people assume they are, but they aren't.

If the developers wanted that to be the case, it would be a one sentence FAQ, but they have not addressed it. I guess I could have missed it in the LoS section, but I am pretty sure I haven't.

I have argued since the beginning at our FLGS that LoS is 360 degrees. Heaven forbid the idea of a model facing forward be able to,turn their head and look over their shoulder. I mean, that's just silly. Most times, however, it has no impact on the game as the Frontal Arc restriction usually overrides the potential freedom of LoS.

Even if you don't like the idea of a model turning its head, just checking from the eyes would easily be more than just the frontal arc.

I suggest you don't believe anything posted by thedarkavenger unless confirmed by other regular posters here at Dakka. He has shown he is incapable of basic English comprehension.
 
   
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 Leith wrote:
This is covered in the first few pages of the rulebook. LoS no longer includes an arc. For most things, like charging and shooting you must pick targets that are in your front arc and LoS. LoS is just a "model's eye view" but it is pretty much 360 since the imaginary person the model represents would be capable of turning his head and body to look in any direction.

So as far a Raw is concerned a Slaan can pass his miscast in any direction, unless it says in the FAQ it has to be in his front arc.


That fat toad doesn't have much of a neck to turn, and his chair is going to block of lot of what's behind him if he could turn around.
Unless of course you modeled up your palanquin with rear view mirrors.

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So. I got a game with this list in. First game in at least 3-4 months.
 
   
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So, how is this actually played? True line of sight is through the model's eyes, but the model is facing forward (and has a forward arc). So can a Slann pass a miscast to an enemy wizard that does NOT lie in his forward arc?

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I would say line of sight would be the forward arc and be able to be seen (i.e. no units, buildings, trees etc inbetween model and target).

So target could be in forward arc and not be in line of sight (due to obstruction) or be in forward arc and be in line of sight (no obstructions), or be neither (behind, to side, off board etc)

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 Tangent wrote:
So, how is this actually played? True line of sight is through the model's eyes, but the model is facing forward (and has a forward arc). So can a Slann pass a miscast to an enemy wizard that does NOT lie in his forward arc?

That the model can see 360 degrees around, as the rules for lOS say (model doesnt block himself), but you have to then be able to actually see the target - so a building in the way would block LOS, often.

The "in front arc" limitation of 7th ed has gone
   
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Cambridge, UK

That makes sense, but where in the BRB does it say that the model can see in a 360 degree arc?

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When it states models do not block their own LOS, so its eyes can see through itself, including its head.

Also, the differentiation between LOS and Front Arc are strong implications - especially when both are required for some options.

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