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Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

 Flippa wrote:
I'm finding it hard to keep up to be honest. Posts seem to be here in pictures and not on the FB page... Am I missing something or is this some form of censorship?

he posts without thinking ,people screenshot it before he notices he has slipped up but then he deletes stuff { about 90% off all stuff posted on his fb page in the last 49hrs hase been deleted by him }

Edited for off topic - mt11

 Cyporiean wrote:
Given the history of harassment from this individual, I would imagine most would not want to give their personal phone numbers to them; for fear of further harassment.

Pretty much nailed it there.

Anyone who has had ANY dealings with "Daniel Mandelbaum" knows the ridiculous lengths he goes to in terms of bombarding you with phone calls and emails.

As for calling them up and stating who is owed what - laughable.

"Daniel Mandelbaum" knows full well what he still owes me - I'm sure he's got an accurate record of our conversations and e-mails. At this point, he really just needs to pay up. But, given how long he's dragged this out already (going on 4 years now since I initially contracted with him for the conversion work), I'm clearly not holding my breath.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Lex could send a C&D for defamation back at them now.

We'd sure make up a better letter than the alleged Britcon guys. And actually "hate page" is indeed a defamation, just had that checked

Then them's fightin' woids.

Edited for off topic, MT11

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Well it's kind of looking like there is no real Britcons company and the name and website being used was taken from some poor photographer in Germany who had his identity stolen.

Hopefully he gets in contact with his local police, and MarkyMark upthread said he would like to get in contact with Yakface, so perhaps we will learn more.

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Perfections wrote:

And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Do you have their contact details?

As someone was alluding to above: what does any of this deally matter if he is not taken to task? Skimming through it sounds like he has broken laws. So who is going to press charges? We can talk all we want and keep creating threads when he pops up with a new company, but until he is taken to court he is just going to keep on trucking. And, surprising to some here I am sure, there are a lot of war gamers out there that don't read DakkaDakka. So he will continue to make money off of new victims.

All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

Perfections wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Indeed Britcons is a security consulting company (http://infoguys.com/directory/ListingDisplayPrint.aspx?lid=3104) that is not listed at the address listed in the C&D however (nor can that address even be found with google maps). They are not a law firm. True, anyone can send a cease and desist letter, however, sending one does not necessarily mean you have adequately, or even legally asserted or protected your own rights. Sending a threatening cease and desist letter under false pretenses, or for malicious reasons, could even be a crime that exposes you to potential counter legal action. Before accusing someone of breaking the law and demanding action, especially if you are demanding payment, you should consult an attorney.

I don't believe there can be any legal action taken against Yak either, especially as the offending thread has been removed already (when confirmation of the intend of that thread has been given simply by receiving the C&D).

Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

Interesting that the google chached version of the supposide law firm is just a go daddy parked site......lolz thisC&D is so fake

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://britcons.com/

 Alpharius wrote:
(going on 4 years now since I initially contracted with him for the conversion work), I'm clearly not holding my breath.

Haven't you taken legal action against him yet?

Also, just in case I got that right, if I want sth. to be removed, can I just make up an official letter and sent it to people?

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

resinforgestore@gmail.com* is the only direct email address I know of.


* - Public info from RF's website.

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

He said on the Resin Forge FB that if he owes you any money just call that number, it would be interesting to see how that goes

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

resinforgestore@gmail.com* is the only direct email address I know of.


* - Public info from RF's website.

That is correct, and is the one that he used to bombard me with his drivel on Monday.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
It doesn't matter anyway. Yakface has no desire to involve himself in a civil action against Resin Forge.

Sure, sure. But, you know - creating a fake website to misrepresent yourself, practicing law without a license, impersonation, maybe fraud - these aren't civil matters. They are criminal ones. I wish some of the principals here would refer this to their state attorney general. At least make the effort, see what they say.

kevinmcd28 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

He said on the Resin Forge FB that if he owes you any money just call that number, it would be interesting to see how that goes

An email is better, since it's far easier to keep a record of, and therefore far harder to deny the existence of; not that I'm saying or implying that RF would deny its existence.

With a phone call, all it takes is for someone to put the phone down on you and then deny the call ever took place; something that, again, I am not saying or implying that RF would do.

kevinmcd28 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

He said on the Resin Forge FB that if he owes you any money just call that number, it would be interesting to see how that goes

The issue with a phone call is that, while instantaneous, it removes any paper trail and could result in a "he-said-she-said" over the details at a later date. For anything concerning money, contract terms, etc. its best to have it properly recorded for future reference.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/agency/contacts.shtml

Contact info page for Greg Abbott, Texas Attorney General.

wouldnt it be funny if he didnt fake the C&D letter but actually thinks its real and somone has scammed him into thinking they were a real law ferm and has charged him for the service :]

 CURNOW wrote:
wouldnt it be funny if he didnt fake the C&D letter but actually thinks its real and somone has scammed him into thinking they were a real law ferm and has charged him for the service :]

that would be poetic justice

Can we pitch in for legal representation? Once you (Yak) gets a clear handle on things, you would be more confident to tell him to feth off.

It seems to me, that there is no possible way that a thread which lists people who are saying they got ripped off by a company could ever be legally classed as defamation, surely it just isn't possible? If you go onto Amazon or Ebay and give someone 1 star out of 5, they can't sue you for saying so. It seems to my admittedly amateur legal mind that the bloke is massively taking the slash.

How about making a Kickstarter?

I would chip in for a lawyer, I bet gak loads of people including many that do not use this forum would do as well. I haven't paid for DCM because of my issues with a couple of those that moderate the site, but Id happily pitch $25 in to help give the finger to a man that appears to have no moral fiber at all.

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know what Resin Forge's direct e-mail address is?

Daniel Mandelbaum owes me some money, and I'd like to submit an invoice to him/them.

Thanks!

If you can track down a physical address for him, you could try filing a case against him in small claims court. It's really not all that difficult or expensive. Additionally, any expenses you incur can be included in the award. Typically, depending on the local and state fee structure, the filing fees are between $100 and $150. The forms are also simple enough to do without having a lawyer. Just make sure you can document the damages you are claiming, because that'll be one of the first things the judge asks to see.

The negative is that collecting on the debt after the judgement. There are fun things like garnishing bank accounts or filing a FiFa lien, but sometimes they're more work than is worth the money involved. Also, the judgment could be avoided through personal bankruptcy.

Though, that being said, collecting on a FiFa lien can be a lot of fun, in a deeply vindictive sort of way.

FB User 1 I have a question for you. What authorities could Lexicanum report this legal firm to, that would result in an immediate takedown of the website?
Like · 1 · about an hour ago
FB User 2 You state that your legal representatives page was taken down by being reported by a community forum, yet follow it up saying that it is your understanding based on what the forum page says? Have you not contacted your own legal representation to confirm why their site was taken down?
Like · 37 minutes ago
Resin Forge Store That was based on a comment made on a page which we have a screen shot of. But yes, we clearly now have to do more research ourselves.
Like · 25 minutes ago
Resin Forge Store FB User 1 Thats not my job to know.

This would beg the question of how they would know that Lexicanium did it then if they can't explain how they did it.

 yakface wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Regardless of how logical and understandable a move it may be, the takeaway from this for anyone thinking about scamming wargamers is that they will likely be able to get any negative characterisation of their "business" removed from the forums, or at least extremely heavily toned down(note how everything has become legalish; "alleged" this and "improper terms" that), because they know that the person ultimately responsible for Dakka as an entity is on the hook for any potential legal action, and so is disinclined to fight any C&Ds sent unless they're completely outrageous in their demands. Even if those C&Ds are highly suspect and appear to come from a company that doesn't exist in the form described.

And I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the other thread was about informing the community of the danger of dealing with Resin Forge, since it was made clear in the OP of that thread that Mandlebaum's association with Resin Forge was already confirmed. "Warning: doing business with this guy could well be a serious mistake" and "This guy who might possibly allegedly have not always fulfilled his orders according to some people has sent us a C&D" both link Mandlebaum and Resin Forge, but are two completely different characterisations of the facts, one of which might be more palatable to a lawyer, but doesn't do nearly the same job in conveying justifiable caution to anyone giving it a perfunctory browse.

And that is precisely the type of rhetoric that shouldn't be used.

The facts can and will speak for themselves without resorting to supposition to hype things up.

I don't want to say anymore except that I'm completely comfortable with replacing the information from that previous thread with this one here.

Anyone who wants to post the facts of firsthand experiences they have with any business, that will always be allowed on this site and will never be taken down. Its when people who don't have firsthand experience start jumping in and making claims that they don't personally have any knowledge of besides what they read from someone else that the problem starts.

You can call it rhetoric if you like, personally I would call it examining the existing evidence and forming a completely justifiable opinion, which, barring a change in policy on this site, can be freely shared with others providing it is phrased politely. Just as I can read about Mat Ward's writing style, decide he is a bad writer, and discuss that opinion. Just as I can examine Kirby's recent actions in running GW, decide he's a poor businessman out for himself, and discuss that opinion.

It's also worth noting that it was the "rhetoric" of the previous thread which prompted Mandlebaum to begin making public mistakes(police report, harassing calls to forum members, deleting questions on Facebook etc etc), mistakes which confirmed his identity to everyone without requiring the OP to reveal the methods by which his identity was discerned, meaning they can be used again in future.

And frankly, if a wee bit of hype makes it more likely that someone who would otherwise have been taken by this "alleged" scammer is warned off, that's something I'm completely comfortable with. You can take whatever position on this you like, obviously, as it's you that has to deal with the consequences, but I maintain that this thread isn't as effective as the previous one in conveying the potential risks of dealing with Mandlebaum, which was the objective whatever the current "oh all we wanted was to confirm his name anyways" party line is.

Looks as if RF is responding to claims of Lexicanum's "reporting" of their website by copying and pasting text.

A Kickstarter for the wholesale pursuit of bringing This schmuck to justice would be epic.

Sadly, given the lack of desire by any of his victims to actually pursue a case in this matter, I do not see anything more coming of this most recent set of discoveries than has happened before.

It is a shame, too. Stealing over the internet can be such a lucrative business due to the lack of victim effort.

It is good that some of the forums do warn others about the issue, at least.

And that C&D letter was made up by RSO, I bet. It had a total lack of lawyer talk.

Can't you all band together and just file a class action lawsuit against him?