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Apparently RF is at work, but the customer service line is not at the same place as the person answering the Facebook questions...

Ben S.
"If you have so much time to answer your customer service line with work.to.do. How is it an inconvenience to answer the same questions here."

Resin Forge Store
"Seriously, last reply for now. Quick answer, because it's not my number and won't be calling me at work."

You don't have to actually say the words "I am a lawyer." You merely have to represent yourself in such a way that a reasonable and prudent person could construe your intent.

I worked as a legal assistant in a law firm where a colleague had a Bar complaint filed against him for simply calling a court and requesting court procedures on filing a request for a continuance as directed by his supervising attorney. The court clerk could have simply instructed him to have the attorney call but chose to make issue with the judge. FYI, what is acceptable practice for legal assistants/paralegals to do differs by court. We had a big meeting about that and a thorough training regarding barratry.

 Breotan wrote:
Hang on a sec... I'm getting confused with all the stuff going on. Has it been verified that this C&D was, in fact, sent by Mr. Mandlebaum? That it is from an actual attorney? Or is it a fake that was sent by someone pretending to be Mandlebaum to troll Yak?

I'm not trying to defend or derail, I'm honestly confused as to where everything is at currently due to all the conflicting statements, theories, and accusations flying around.

1. Yes. Mandelabum confirmed on his FaceBook page that is was sent on his behalf. See 3.
2. It is from a German based security consulting firm called Britcons, that doesn't exist. (No existing addresses, no phone numbers, no business registration in Germany.)
3. No. Mandelbaum has confirmed he had it sent -- he claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Indeed Britcons is a security consulting company (http://infoguys.com/directory/ListingDisplayPrint.aspx?lid=3104) that is not listed at the address listed in the C&D however (nor can that address even be found with google maps). They are not a law firm. True, anyone can send a cease and desist letter, however, sending one does not necessarily mean you have adequately, or even legally asserted or protected your own rights. Sending a threatening cease and desist letter under false pretenses, or for malicious reasons, could even be a crime that exposes you to potential counter legal action. Before accusing someone of breaking the law and demanding action, especially if you are demanding payment, you should consult an attorney.

I don't believe there can be any legal action taken against Yak either, especially as the offending thread has been removed already (when confirmation of the intend of that thread has been given simply by receiving the C&D).

Infoguys allows anyone to make an account and a listing for free.

The Britcons listing is a free one. The webpage it contains no longer exists, having disappeared earlier today after Mandelbaum was confirmed as proprietor of Resin Forge by his C&D sent from Britcons.

The address given given by Britcons in Infoguys is false. That is, it doesn't exist.

Yes, I looked up the address on google maps afterwards and was skeptical of the listing at any rate. I was merely pointing out that it was there (based on the previous posters reply) and that they are clearly (if they ever even existed which I do not believe to be true) not a law firm of any kind so would be a poor choice for sending out a C&D at any rate, especially one like this.

My offer still stands for Kim Hernandez of Resin Forge to call me at work here and discuss things rationally. Daniel(or Jason) knows the number and exactly what my name is. Extension 130.

I welcome a conversation.

Maybe you should call Resin Forge and ask to speak to her.

They have a very good customer support line on 1-214-632-6446. It's open until 9p.m. even on Saturday, and it is a mobile number so there is no chance of them being out of the office.

If she is out today she should be in tomorrow, or Monday.

Mobile number, huh? Quite common for legit businesses to lack a land line........

3. No. Mandelbaum has confirmed he had it sent -- he claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

I wish to add (since RF is constantly mis"quoting" us on this): we did not even mention the content of the C&D as copied (just mocking its bad style and grammar) - we DID say that the text on the now disappeared "lawyer's" homepage was stolen. Just to keep things clear.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
[Mandelbaum] claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents? Were they being hosted by Google?

 agnosto wrote:
I don't know if this was brought up before so sorry if I missed it. Not sure about Germany but it is a crime in the US to represent oneself as an attorney and not actually be one, barratry is the term for it.

LOL For some reason, I always think of gross misconduct of a captain or officers when I see that word... LOL

tarlynxeno wrote:

 Empchild wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Do you even have to tell the guy you're recording the coversation? or can't you just say at the end.. "BTW, I recorded this, thanks. I'll send you the youtube link in a few..."

Nope legally you are obligated in the U.S to inform an individual if a call or conversation is being recorded otherwise it can be construed as entrapment.

Actually the laws vary from state to state, although I don't know which state's laws would apply. In NY you only need one of the parties consent to record

You can check your state here to see if you can record your calls legally. In single-party states (almost all of them) only one party on the line needs to know the call is being recorded (i.e. yourself).

 Breotan wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
[Mandelbaum] claims on FaceBook that the German company, Britcons, is a legal firm whose site has gone down because Lexicanum accused them of using a boilerplate C&D letter which isn't illegal.

Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents? Were they being hosted by Google?

Lol. I don't think the letter had anything to do with that website suddenly disappearing, as using boilerplate letters is not only legal but quite frequent for smalltime issues. However, even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

 sourclams wrote:
Mobile number, huh? Quite common for legit businesses to lack a land line........

It makes some sense for a 'highly mobile' business to use mobile numbers, although any facilities in the US almost always need a land line for fire regs, i think.

This tool just keeps on like the Energizer Bunny.

Tragic Geek Opera at it's best

Isn't that just how it goes, though. Expose a <redacted by moderator>, get a C and D from them.

This is just... odd in the least.

Please would people stick to the terms of the thread, not to make unfounded accusations?

Thank you.

 Breotan wrote:
Wut? How does a "legal firm" lose its web site because of an accusation of using boilerplate legal documents?

This can happen to "long time security experts"
Maybe Daniel should change his representation from Britcons to Amerifrauds

even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

Just repeating what was said before: In Germany we don't have LTDs and the German equivalent could certainly not have been used for lawyers. Plus if you are not in the lawyer's official list you are not allowed to practice. This added with all the other stupid mistakes he made makes clear there never was any German or any other "lawyer" or consulting. Heck knows why he would pick Germany - whatever his reasons it was about the worst choice (after UK/ US) possible due to our thousands of readers there...

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

even battle-hardened superspy ninja lawyers need to comply with certain legal requirements to do business - specially in a country known for its rather tight regulations such as Germany. Take any action without them and you'll be walking into a world of pain.

Just repeating what was said before: In Germany we don't have LTDs and the German equivalent could certainly not have been used for lawyers. Plus if you are not in the lawyer's official list you are not allowed to practice. This added with all the other stupid mistakes he made makes clear there never was any German or any other "lawyer" or consulting. Heck knows why he would pick Germany - whatever his reasons it was about the worst choice (after UK/ US) possible due to our thousands of readers there...

But Germany is so far way from America, no one will ever know.

Bear in mind, please, that...

A) You don't need to be a lawyer to send a C&D letter. It's just a letter demanding someone stop doing something and telling them that if they don't, you'll take legal action. The letter isn't a court proceeding.
B) The letter never claimed to be from a lawyer.
C) You CAN send one via email. Lots of big companies do, especially in dealing with internet issues/websites They'll use real paper letters if they don't get a response and/or if they feel like it's worth the extra cost and effort.

That all being said, there are still plenty of other things about the letter and the company which are dubious.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Bear in mind, please, that...

A) You don't need to be a lawyer to send a C&D letter. It's just a letter demanding someone stop doing someone and telling them that if they don't, you'll take legal action. The letter isn't a court proceeding.
B) The letter never claimed to be from a lawyer.
C) You CAN send one via email. Lots of big companies do, especially in dealing with internet issues/websites They'll use real paper letters if they don't get a response and/or if they feel like it's worth the extra cost and effort.

That all being said, there are still plenty of other things about the letter and the company which are dubious.

Well I'd hope they'd demand stopping.....

Perfections wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

Perfections wrote:
The company here us just a security consulting company. The signer is the CEO of that company. According to current law, there it's no legal action that may be taken by any sane lawyer.

If you need help in court, I'll do it for free.

Which company is a security consulting company? And legal action against who? cryptic reply is cryptic.

The company here putting up the C&D.
Any legal action taken against yak.
And britcons IS a real security consulting company based in Germany.

Not according to the person I spoke to who's name is at the bottom of the letter and who owns the domain britcons.com, nor according to any of the european registered companies databases, nor being a registered german company which would have AB AG etc not LTD.

The domain has not been in use by him for around a year, I think it was his previous company no longer active.

I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

Anyone who has had personal experience with Resin Forge or any of its owners (knowing with 100% certainty that they were dealing with those individuals), should ALWAYS feel free to post their experiences here.

 yakface wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm not sure if it's defamation to talk about personal experiences with a given person, but whatevs.

The internet is serious business.

Anyone who has had personal experience with Resin Forge or any of its owners (knowing with 100% certainty that they were dealing with those individuals), should ALWAYS feel free to post their experiences here.

On this note, I'm going to post a statement. Some of it may be opinion, but as I've had direct interaction with Daniel, I feel my opinion is warranted.

Yak(or other mods) feel free to snip out anything that breaches the rules, as I've not edited this down at all other than to remove my personal contact info.


Sunday 5/5/13 I left a comment on the Resin Forge company facebook
page stating that the company was a known scammer, and that I guaranteed
the items would be sent from Texas, as that is where said scammer lives.

Prior to that I had very little(if any) involvement in the Dakka thread
regarding Resin Forge.

At 10:21am PDT on 5/6/13 I was called into the office of my Company
Director. He informed me that a man named "Jason" called stating that I
was harassing him online using company property, and that he had traced
the IP address of said comments to my company(National Vendor). In reality,
he checked my Facebook profile(at the time was public) and National Vendor was
listed as my place of employment, which is how he got that number.

I then explained to my boss the following:
1. I posted a single facebook comment, at home, from my own computer.
2. Facebook does not release IP addresses of those who comment on pages.
3. My comment was in no way harassment, it was a public warning.
4. Dakka post IP addresses are only available to admins and moderators of that
site. They are not publicly visible or accessible.

At about 1:35pm on 5/6/13 "Jason" called again, and was this time forwarded
to voicemail. In that message he left a call back number.
In it he insists that I am harassing him while on the clock, and using
company property.

All of my comments made during that day are unedited on the Dakka thread.
None of those comments were harassment, and most were not even directed at him.

The receptionist for my company then informed me that "Jason" yelled at her,
saying "He's doing it right now, it takes 4 seconds to fire him". She was
quite upset at the calls. After the 3rd call in 10 minutes, my boss informed
"Jason" that we would no longer be taking his calls, and that any further
contact would need to be made by a police officer with a legitimate badge number.

That evening, I proceeded to research a few things, and found a few interesting things.
First, about 90 minutes after the first call from "Jason" the person who we suspected him
of being met with a detective from Dallas PD to file a complaint for internet harassment.
The incident report is 0111735-A. The report lists Daniel Mandelbaum as the complainant.

Secondly, the number that he left for my boss to call him at is the same number that
Matthew Bonder(RSO) left to a person who alleges they were scammed back in 2009, and which is publicly available
on the Bartertown thread that is linked in my post on Dakka. Seeing this, I then confirmed the
caller ID at my office as being from "Michael Mandelbaum", who is Daniels father, who lives at
the same address as reported in the police incident report listed above.

This confirms in my mind that Mattew Bonder was an alias being used by Daniel Mandelbaum back in 2009
when claims of impropriety first started. Resin Forge(who had been accused of being Daniel Mandelbaum)
admitted that the police report I had uploaded to Dakka was indeed made by him, admitting that Resin Forge
is run by Daniel.

Also relevant is the link between Susan Beasley, Daniel Mandelbaum, and Matthew Bonder.
As listed here: http://www.resthavenfuneral.com/obituaries/obituaries-detail.cfm?method=2&id=1738
Daniel admits that Susan is his mother. The evidence linking Matthew Bonder and Susan Beasley was acquired
by others, so I cannot have input on it's validity, but having seen it, it's rather damning.

So to catch up without reading 11 pages-

The sketchy guy whom dakka has been keeping an eye on as he changes companies and names has sent a C&D letter to dakka to stop. Which yakface has posted and removed the earlier post. But it appears that the letter and company it was sent from is as sketchy as Daniel is.

Sound about right?

Odd, through no intent at all this story is all over the internet and everyone linking/pointing to Dakka.

It makes me proud of this group, I could weep...

Keeping fingers crossed that this all works out for the good guys, thanks for keeping it real.

Yep, proud day to be a Dakkian indeed.

So I just realized (after looking at the website) that I almost ordered from them roughly a month ago, but due to the lack of Fantasy models I didn't.

I had no idea at the time that it was Daniel, I'm honestly glad I didn't order...

This has been the most entertaining game law drama thread ever. I actually read every reply for once, it helped me get through an otherwise terribly boring day at work.

Howdy from Dallas,

I know a local lawyer who plays 40k, if someone wants to sue I can see if he is interested.