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They are leveraging a pre-release event to make themselves the only game in town to get this model for a short period. Piggy backing off forgeworlds work and marketing to sell models they can't guarantee... on any front... price, quantity... anything.

So, in short, they are taking money, right now, for nothing but the word of an individual under heavy, heavy allegations of scamming and cutting and running.

The way I see it there are 1 of 3 scenarios that are going to happen -

1. Optmistic: Knowing the scrutiny he is under, and assuming he continues to be unwilling to abandon this business as he has the many previous ones, he will refund the money.

2. Realistic: He will, shockingly, only get around to delivering the models when FW issues them for general release, which assumedly would not be too long after the event. Essentially bilking the pre-order crowd into paying him instead of FW for no tangible return.

3. Pessimistic: Depending on the amount of pre-orders, he may cut and run, or attempt to. But now that his real name is on things, this may be easier said than done.


In any case, the whole thing, as with everything else in my opinion is just shady as all hell... don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

These links may be of interest to you;
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/newsroom/publications/trade/iius.ctt/iius.pdf

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/

http://www.sba.gov/community/blogs/importing-goods-us-%E2%80%93-introductory-guide-small-business-owners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs_duties_in_the_United_States

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

don't risk it people, protect yourselves and your friends.

Especially for what... Couple of days maybe. By the way a silly question. If you bring goods in high quantities back to the US, shouldn't you declare them and pay import taxes?

You could send an anonymous tip off to the CBP if you want too.

Must try to stop laughing.

But seriously? Isn't this just a tad too far.... If he was getting death threats then why not have evidence of it? Before contacting a PI? Last time i checked, and when I was studying law, it equates to this, no evidence, there is no crime.

*Fixed for grammatical reasons*

I hate to bring logic into this, but:

1) Most people are not searched at the airports by CBP/USCIS personnel. A percentage - chosen at random are screened.

2) If they are screened - most likely the answers will not include - "I intend to resale these for a profit (however small it may be)."

3) "I bought these for some fiends who could not go." is the most probable answer.

4) I speak from decades of experience traveling in and out of the U.S. to Europe and other countries. I have flown back with Resin crack/GW items in my cases about 12 times. I was searched once. I did not declare the $200 worth of items - I honestly forgot they were packed in a suitcase. I offered to correct the paper - which they let me do - then asked if I owed anything. I had a receipt - showed the vat return etc. - nothing was charged - they had no idea how to process it and it was faster to let me in the country again.

5) Informing the CBP - great - do we have the flight number, city, names (passports may have different names than those provided). This would be a waste of time for the CBP and whomever calls it in.

6) As the OP has in an email there is another way to bypass this - but it is not being posted. In order to prevent someone else who may not have the knowledge of it from getting it. It renders the CBP completely moot and from my understanding is a very probable course of action for Resin Forge.

Hmmmmm seems that RF has had to take down images from it website by request of GW

Hmmmmm seems that RF has had to take down images from it website by request of GW

Source?

http://www.resinforge.com/


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Some people do not believe things that Resin Forge say.

RF website "We apolgoize for the lack of section pictures. We were asked by GW to remove them and did so." pasted direct from their site (love the typo must be 6.30am again in Dallas)

May I remind people again to take note of Yakface's warning not to call someone a scammer unless they have been convicted.

 Savagecoyote wrote:
RF website "We apolgoize for the lack of section pictures. We were asked by GW to remove them and did so." pasted direct from their site (love the typo must be 6.30am again in Dallas)

Doesn't GW have a policy of not letting web stores use their images?

So that's not out of the ordinary.

It's a grey area to be honest they tend not to care as long as your selling their product and acknowledging its GW's product

 Savagecoyote wrote:
It's a grey area to be honest they tend not to care as long as your selling their product and acknowledging its GW's product

Not in the US though, AFAIK.

It's been like that for a few weeks now.

Next one the list will be removing any photos - and the flyer for the HH Weekender, which he's using without permission to drive sales....

they might be recasting them also. Surpised no one has thought of putting GW on there trail for recasting, if they are recasting.
There is nothing to suggest recasting at this point, please stick to the facts - MT11

I honestly think that with all the problems people have reported with Daniel and his suspected last businesses, nobody has ever come forward and claimed that they have received a recast piece. Not from the last websites or past eBay stores.

Lots of people complain of late orders, or no orders received, but I don't remember anybody getting an order and saying it was a fake.

tree667 wrote:
they might be recasting them also. Surpised no one has thought of putting GW on there trail for recasting, if they are recasting.

There haven't been any reports of recasting from buyers, to my knowledge. Best not to speculate, OK?

This whole thing is incredibly surreal. I can barely believe the depths of complexity and the layers of bs that spring up around this topic.

Keep up the good work, Dakkamods, fair play Yakface for covering your backside, and let's all hope that this ends well for the majority.

I kinda hope one day Dakka gets to report the news of this guy finally being brought to justice, as opposed to "Here we go again..."

Sadly I don't see that ever happening, though.

As keeps being said along with no throwing the word "Scammer" around without an actually conviction, lets not muddy the waters further with recasting talk too. As few as this guys morals seem to be, like kronk said until someone actually comes forward and proves otherwise, DM isn't a recaster as far as we know.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a known scammer, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

Absolutely-diddely. Not only that, he also promised coverage of the event:

*name removed*
I am hopeing for some good pics and coverage and toys! As this will define my 30k focus for the next 6 months or so. Carry on RF!!!

Resin Forge Store
Oh there will be! We are already prepared!

Resin Forge Store
Its also nice to see you have taken your experiences with RF to heart and have not been sucked into the drama hole as are calling it now. We hope to see many more packages with your name on them being sent out!

Really looking forward to it

Would somebody (we are still banned) like to go over and ask if they are also going to bring the cash for the people who are still owned money from the previous endeavours of Mr Mandelbaum?

I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am plus some of the other events I could also recount for my fb page, this could be beneficial regardless.

 Titan Atlas wrote:
I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am

I don't think that approaching the staff of Resin Forge at the event is a wise idea unless you are one of the people directly affected. Even if you were I do not see how disrupting an event such as that would bring you any sort of resolution. Either communicate in writing with Daniel Mandelbaum, or commence legal proceedings. Anything else is likely to inflame the situation rather than resolve it.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Titan Atlas wrote:
I'm actually pretty close by, I could pop by if enough people want me to, to the weekend event. I'd have to have some objectives and naturally figure out what else I'd do there but....yeah. Lemme know, it's pretty reachable where I am

I don't think that approaching the staff of Resin Forge at the event is a wise idea unless you are one of the people directly affected. Even if you were I do not see how disrupting an event such as that would bring you any sort of resolution. Either communicate in writing with Daniel Mandelbaum, or commence legal proceedings. Anything else is likely to inflame the situation rather than resolve it.

As I said, I'd honestly go for other reasons, besides, I have no business with them other than when they were displaying my name during accusations about Lexicanum taking down their lawyer's page. But again, I have nothing that I would really say to them that would be very productive. It'd mostly be about seeing my favourite authors and the like, as I said, things I can recount for the fb page, things that are genuinely interesting and things you don't advise having aspirin to go alongside them

I haven't read the whole thread but a cursory glance at the C&D letter reveals grammatical errors that i would be surprised at from a 'professional' legal company.....

But again, I have nothing that I would really say to them that would be very productive.

Yep. Go to the HH Weekender, enjoy your time, talk to the authors, buy yourselves some minis - why waste time with looking for somebody you don't have a real issue with. Unless of course you are still owed money by Three stage studio that you could use for buying even more minis and books

Otherwise I'd say mission is more or less fulfilled in so far that Mr Mandelbaum has been confirmed / exposed as (co-)owner of Resin Forge. All connections to previous, dubious action of his are plastered all over the place. Diverse people who are still waiting for their products or money were told his name and addresses to take this for their own courses of action.

So now Mr Mandelbaum can sort out the claims of the people he still owes money and if he wishes so to run his business with the cards on the table (not as before with unaware people). As for what happens next weekend and after, we will keep an eye on it, but it's really more of an academic interest than of real concern

Preeeetty much. And it'll be a good way to kick up the feet after an exam (tomorrow).

 WarOne wrote:
Also, isn't the statement of facts proven by multiple witnesses as well as previous posts and activities call out of the bounds of what is considered defamation?

I think the best way to handle it is use the term allegedly. It seems to work in other areas such as radio and TV.

Guess now Mr. Mandelbaum knows why no other US-webstore with a cart-system has stock photos of GW products

 Kilkrazy wrote:
http://www.resinforge.com/


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I think its more like, the gig's up, time to wait another 6 months and try again kind of thing. But those are just my personal thoughts.