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 PanzerTC wrote:

Alpharius wrote: With all models returned previously and now all money returned as well, I can finally consider the matter closed for good.

Congrats Alpharius.

Agreed! Glad you got that pest out of your hair for good.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
What a load... Mandelbaum that is such a con. Resin Forge the company (? lol) never owed anyone something, but Daniel Mandelbaum owes tons of people still last I checked.

Legally, I don't think a company is responsible for the private debt of its owner, depends on the company structure.
Not saying that Resin Forge doesn't owe anyone anything nor that Mandelbaum does or does not.

Indeed you are entirely correct. And technically, so is he. The point is that he picks and chooses when resin forge is Mandelbaum and when they are separate according to convenience.

On reputation, he wants us to forget about Mandelbaum the individual and be addressed and treated only as ResinForge who is Mandelbaum, washing his hands of his past actions and claiming that since Resin Forge has a relatively clean track record, he should be judged solely on that.

Then when it comes to him owing people still, he wants to completely divorce Daniel Mandelbaum from Resin Forge, so that ResinForge doesn't have to admit to being associated with past shenanigans of one of it's owners.

I.e whatever is convenient to say or do, whatever he can manage to play semantics with, he will do it in order to avoid fessing up. Just like he completely avoids answering direct questions that would result in a concrete commitment or admission.

Hey Daniel, show us a business # or tax registration and I'll shut up about it though. If you aren't registered and paying taxes though, that means there is no ResinForge, only you, in which case ResinForge most certainly still has unresolved issues with past customers, as Daniel Mandelbaum has unresolved issues with past customers.

Even disregarding that, all the HH weekender and Fulgrim talk from him before the fact, and when it panned out it didn't make any sense whatsoever as he stated it, he just clammed up completely. You would think, had Resin Forge been honest about their plans and methods, they would be burying the internet in photos from the weekender and their fist-fulls of Fulgrims to prove they are on the up and up and really show we were doubting them unfairly.

Instead, utter black-out silence on that front, no admission whether they were there or not, and no acknowledgement of all that talk and promises he put out before the weekend. Just wants to shut down all discussion and pretend it never happend, instead of taking any sort of responsibility or having any real honesty with his clients.

He has no clue that this mess is of his own making. He calls us haters etc and pretends like we are creating this and sustaining it on our own... No Daniel, you have taken a few teensy weensy steps in the right direction, but you continue shady behavior and hiding and so long as you don't act in an honest up front way, and so long as you try to cover up your past instead of making amends for it, you will always have suspicion against you.

It takes someone really special to impersonate other people, start 4-5 businesses under aliases and leave people hanging, make up a dead wife and daughter as an excuse and repeatedly lie to customers and the community to then be up in arms and confused why people don't trust him and have an extremely negative outlook on him and his business. It really takes a pair of brass ones to do all that and then call other people the bad guy.

But oh well.

Just because he can, doesn't mean he has to show and tell the world, but I wonder if he actually got hands on any of this Fulgrim business, or has he returned/taken money from people for Fulgrim orders? I guess we'll find out here in about a month when people start complaining about RF. Provided this all actually took place, and whatnot.

He certainly doesn't have to, you are correct again.

However, there is great benefit to be gained, if he was honest and 2 RF people were there, and they got the minimum amount of Fulgrims he promised. It would be fantastic PR for him, it would force an admission that we were wrong, it would show to all his customers that RF kept it's word and they are on the up and up... win win win win win for RF.

Not saying anything only casts doubt and suspicion on a company that's main problem is that they are under heavy doubt and suspicion due to the past activities of one of the allegedly 3 owners. What is there to be gained for them by throwing fuel on the fire after everyone said their promises didn't add up? Usually, when you succeed or meet your obligations, you proudly share it lol. Not saying anything has only hurt their reputation and case.

It's not rocket science. He doesn't have to do anything anyone here asks of him obviously, but some things would most certainly be in his own best interest, were he able to demonstrate honesty.

 MajorTom11 wrote:


A good first step Mandelbaum, but in my book that's all it is.

Indeed.

If anyone catches him starting a new business, just post it here so we can let people know. My gaming group won't be buying anything from him so long as we stay vigilant.

100% agree with you, Tom. Did we ever confirm that Resin Forge is indeed a legitimate tax-paying company? I only ask this because their PR or lack thereof could make or break them, as with most companies, but if they aren't paying taxes as a legitimate company I guess the only need to break even to stay afloat. As a human being, I would much rather see a personally owned small business succeed than to fail, but if they are going to screw things up, regularly screw a customer, etc I'd like to watch them fail(I am assuming that RF will or continues to mess things up).

Also: Anyone notice that Resin Forge has two facebook pages? One is Resin Forge, the other is Resin Forge store. Wonder whats up with that?

No one should give him money for his 'businesses' online. It's just throwing good money after bad. If he has any real intention to pay people back then he should earn honest money offline, not take more money off new customers to cover old debts. He's supposedly paid Alpharius off right? Did he take orders for Fulgrims to cover that? Just curious, because you won't get an honest answer from Mandelbaum. If so he's just moving money he owes around.

 Firehead158 wrote:
100% agree with you, Tom. Did we ever confirm that Resin Forge is indeed a legitimate tax-paying company? I only ask this because their PR or lack thereof could make or break them, as with most companies, but if they aren't paying taxes as a legitimate company I guess the only need to break even to stay afloat. As a human being, I would much rather see a personally owned small business succeed than to fail, but if they are going to screw things up, regularly screw a customer, etc I'd like to watch them fail(I am assuming that RF will or continues to mess things up).

Also: Anyone notice that Resin Forge has two facebook pages? One is Resin Forge, the other is Resin Forge store. Wonder whats up with that?

No official business information about RF has been released. No tax ID, no DBA registration, nothing.

Daniel is expecting the heat to die down and for the world to forget this ever came up. He still insists that his C&D was legitimate, and that they have tightened the reigns on what they say based on legal counsel. None of which is verified. We proved 100% that the C&D was fake. RF took responsibility for it, meaning it wasn't someone pretending to be RF.

Daniel mentioned several times that there were multiple police reports filed, and there weren't. Just the single one from 5/6/13 while he was trying to get me fired.

Which again, let's not forget that whole fiasco was done officially as Resin Forge. THAT company called my work, harassed employees, and tried to get me fired.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
What a load... Mandelbaum that is such a con. Resin Forge the company (? lol) never owed anyone something, but Daniel Mandelbaum owes tons of people still last I checked.

Legally, I don't think a company is responsible for the private debt of its owner, depends on the company structure.
Not saying that Resin Forge doesn't owe anyone anything nor that Mandelbaum does or does not.

Resin Forge is not a limited liability company.

Sole proprietorship companies are 100% tied to the owners. Their debt is the company's debt. The company's debt is their debt.

That all depends if there is a company at all... but ya. When it comes to Mandelbaum basically you can put 'alleged' or 'supposedly' in front of just about everything he says. As in supposedly there are 3 partners. Allegedly Resin Forge is an actual company.

Riddle me this planet Earth... if you got into business with 2 other people, invested time and money getting going, then later found out that one of your new partners was massively implicated in alleged theft and alleged scamming for 4+ years under multiple aliases and multiple companies, and then had that blow up in your face and cause terrible word of mouth and intense scrutiny on your investment... do you then just proceed like nothing has changed without missing a beat?

Does that make sense in a 3 way partnership where the other two were allegedly unaware of his past? Would you absorb the financial baggage of Mandelbaum on your otherwise good name?

As MJ used to say, Sha-mon.

If there were two other people, then the only way they would have been brought up to speed and on the defensive speaking for him and RF so immediately would be if they knew about Mandelbaum before... So supposed 'Kim' (which I have a feeling is just an alias he made up while using his ex-wife Stephanie's info, same last name) and alleged 'Jason' would have had to have known about Mandelbaum all along, in which case there is no hope whatsoever for that alleged bunch.

Or

There is no Kim and no Jason, there is just Mandelbaum throwing up misdirection and ablative smoke screens to distract and confuse a very, very clear cut history and issue.

Supposedly allegedly.

The only thing that is not supposedly alleged in my eyes is the fact he for some reason or other is desperate not to ditch the RF name... perhaps it should not be as surprising as it is... after all, out of the 4-5 outfits he founded and ran in the hobby, this is the only one with his real name attached to it...

Apparently there is also a Paul working for Resin Forge according to a post they made on another forum.

 AduroT wrote:
Allegedly there is also a Paul working for Resin Forge according to a post they made on another forum.

FTFY

 AduroT wrote:
Apparently there is also a Paul working for Resin Forge according to a post they made on another forum.

Link?

http://monkeycrap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1932

Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".

Do they have five members of staff now?

So RF was formed in 2008 ? by "Tiny" who we must assume is Mandelbaum (might just look through "Tiny,s" posts you know to see if "Kim" or "Jason" turn up )

 AduroT wrote:
http://monkeycrap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1932

Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".

It's not libel (which is the term I assume he intended to type, but his English skills are lacking).

It's the internet. Does he really think that you making an anonymous comment on some random site is actionable? Your name isn't tied here. Your identity here is private. He can threaten you all he wants.

Now we know very well that the current Resin Forge is not the same as what may have existed in 2008. The sites registration was in November of 2012. That is when it popped up. The 2008 version and anyone connected with it we can safely assume are not related to the site.


Daniel is a liar, in every sense of the word. The problem he's run into is that he's not that clever, and he can't keep long term track of his lies.


This is a video of the original Resin Forge people. During this time Daniel was running the Matthew Bonder alias, and certainly did not have RF.

The Link from the 2008 RF still goes to the new 2012 RF website

 Savagecoyote wrote:
The Link from the 2008 RF still goes to the new 2012 RF website

That is how URL's work... the content can change from new ownership, or any changes to the site, but the address remains the same.

Any link to any site that is currently up(regardless of when the link was created) will work and show the current site.

If you tracked down a thread post that linked www.google.com in it 10 years before the site existed it would still send you to google.com today.

Ah right ( i have no idea how this internet witchcraft does stuff like that ) i shall put down my burning pitchfolk and stop trawling 20 pages of some ones posts

It's the same URL, and that is how the internet works. If someone bought the name Resin Forge and their URL, they could build a new site at that URL and any old links would still work but direct you to the new site even if it was hosted on a new server.

I don't understand the implications.

Is Daniel Mandelbaum claiming that he is Tiny out of Monkeycrap and started Resin Forge in 2008 with a guy called Paul?

Is he claiming that he bought the original Resin Forge identity (logo, domain name, etc) from the original owners?

Is Paul one of the current members of staff? When did he join? He wasn't listed in the C&D letter.

No, current Resin Forge has nothing to do with old Resin Forge says the email. And it's not Dan who's reading the thread at the moment and emailed me apparently, it's one of the other two they said, but they both were told they're not allowed to make accounts to post here.

It has the same name, logo, and URL.

If the other two people are equal partners, what right has Mandelbaum got to stop them from having an account on DakkaDakka?

AduroT - given that the previous C&D letter was fond to be a total load of steaming horse manure, care to share the content of this current missive?

Just when you think that RF could (and I use the word advisedly) be on the road to rehabilitation by starting to sort out the debts ran up by Mandelbonder, they manage to snatch further embarrassment out of the jaws of victory.

Alongside the now quite obvious fact that they have ZERO stock of any kind from the HH weekender, and that since that weekend they've only posted a couple of crappy conversion pictures, the jig surely is up for RF? I know he's hanging on (by what looks like the skin of his teeth), but he ant keep going for much longer.

Well if "Kim" or "Jason" want to get t things there side of they can PM me on Warseer (same name ) and i'll forward them to this thread (just so they can set the record straight)

 AduroT wrote:
No, current Resin Forge has nothing to do with old Resin Forge says the email. And it's not Dan who's reading the thread at the moment and emailed me apparently, it's one of the other two they said, but they both were told they're not allowed to make accounts to post here.

If the current Resin Forge is not the 2008 Resin Forge, the forum post in 2008 has no relevance to the current Resin Forge. It doesn't make any sense to use it to threaten someone about alleged libel.

Who is Paul?

Sorry, bit confused here.

Although Dan emailed me to point out that that's actually from five years ago, so I should correct my mistake or its liable. Found it on the first page when I googled "Resin Forge".

Daniel Mandelbaum mailed you about which post you made where? Where did he mail you to. Which e-mail address did he use?

Lol the old version is nothing to do with him, I bet you anything he just took over the URL when the original rf went bust.