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The anger that the Wolves felt about the trreatment was always well known, that it led to actual violence against the Inquisiton and Grey Knights is new

From Current Space Wolves Codex:

"The incident fell short of violence by the smallest of margins; only the council of Ulrik the slayer stayed Grimnar's hand, lest civl war consume the rst of the tortured planet below."

However the same passage does end with:

"...since that day Grimnar has held an abiding hatred for the Adepts of the Adminstratum , and his vows that the heroes of Armegddon will one day be avenged."

Since then the Grey Knight fluff was also retconed in Codex and novel alike, as in the SW codex they simply depart and leave the Inquisition and Adminstratum to the clear up duties.

Does the conflict in the Emperors gift take place immediately or some time after the events of the First War?

As stated before its all about political sawy. The space Wolves probably have the second peast pull due to them having no Successors with Salamanders last (SW have Bjorn). The parent chapter going renegade may cause some of their successors to follow . Meaning that it would take irrefrutable proof (video of Marneus Calgar and his chapter meeting and serving with Abaddon's Crusade or outrigjt declare their allegiance) to declare then traitors, lest half the Space Marines decide to follow their parent

 Mr Morden wrote:
The anger that the Wolves felt about the trreatment was always well known, that it led to actual violence against the Inquisiton and Grey Knights is new

Does the conflict in the Emperors gift take place immediately or some time after the events of the First War?

YES - immediately
Read that book, dude !!!

 Mr Morden wrote:
The anger that the Wolves felt about the trreatment was always well known, that it led to actual violence against the Inquisiton and Grey Knights is new

From Current Space Wolves Codex:

"The incident fell short of violence by the smallest of margins; only the council of Ulrik the slayer stayed Grimnar's hand, lest civl war consume the rst of the tortured planet below."

However the same passage does end with:

"...since that day Grimnar has held an abiding hatred for the Adepts of the Adminstratum , and his vows that the heroes of Armegddon will one day be avenged."

Since then the Grey Knight fluff was also retconed in Codex and novel alike, as in the SW codex they simply depart and leave the Inquisition and Adminstratum to the clear up duties.

Does the conflict in the Emperors gift take place immediately or some time after the events of the First War?

It starts pretty much after the first war and the clean-up operations. The inquisitions starts to sterilise the defenders and civilians forcibly then starts blowing up civilian ships. It starts off as a 'cold war' so the Wolves try their best to avoid conflict so by shielding civilian ships escaping Armageddon with their strike cruisers & battle barges from fire from inquisitions ships so they can jump to warp. It then escalates to a full blown stand-off in orbit of Fenris backed up by the Red Hunters, grey knights and a sizeable naval fleet commandeered by the inquisition. The conflict lasted just under a year if I remember correctly.

It also bears noting that, because the Space Wolves are, well, the Space Wolves, they enjoy a level of plot-armor and special-snowflake-saves (1+) that would have any other, less-popular or less-known Chapter in the fluff relegated to a side-bar story in Codex: Daemonhunters that demonstrates the Inquisition and the Sisters of Battle utterly destroying such a group.

However, because it's the Space Wolves, GW cannot permit them to suffer consequences for anything they do that would, normally, get Fenris exterminated.

It is stuff like this that causes people to not like the Space Wolves, probably more than for any other reason. It's not that they're loud, drunken and rebellious, it's that they end up trashing a bunch of other forces of the Imperium they're sworn to protect, often for very short-sighted and stupid reasons, and then absolutely nothing happens to them... not a penance crusade, not a restriction on trade, not a fine, not even a parking ticket.

 Psienesis wrote:
It also bears noting that, because the Space Wolves are, well, the Space Wolves, they enjoy a level of plot-armor and special-snowflake-saves (1+) that would have any other, less-popular or less-known Chapter in the fluff relegated to a side-bar story in Codex: Daemonhunters that demonstrates the Inquisition and the Sisters of Battle utterly destroying such a group.

However, because it's the Space Wolves, GW cannot permit them to suffer consequences for anything they do that would, normally, get Fenris exterminated.

It is stuff like this that causes people to not like the Space Wolves, probably more than for any other reason. It's not that they're loud, drunken and rebellious, it's that they end up trashing a bunch of other forces of the Imperium they're sworn to protect, often for very short-sighted and stupid reasons, and then absolutely nothing happens to them... not a penance crusade, not a restriction on trade, not a fine, not even a parking ticket.

Stupid reasons?
Fanatics come to sacred Fenris in search of false worshiping ? Incopetent Inqusitorial whelp fires upon IG who have fought and bled with them....Inqusition leaves rich and influential to stay on Armaggedon (without sanction) and purges IG?
But the wolves did relented in the end..Yes, they kicked the gak out of GK/RH so what ? Let them come again for another round of negotiations ? Also Wolves have good tie ups with "I", just not with incopetent douchebags who don't know their place...

Armageddon had appearances by Daemons.

Daemons can possess someone for having the wrong thought at the wrong time. "Gee, a smoke sure would be great right now" while a Daemonette is lurking around the next corner... oh, crap, you just got possessed by a Slaaneshi daemon. That daemon might not decide to twist your body into some Warp-born horror right then and there, it may decide to play the long game, wait til you get off-world, go elsewhere, spread its Corruption to the entire ship, and then entire worlds.

What did the Wolves want to do? Have a beer with these guys and then send them on their way, just knowing that these guys were "alright" and "pretty brave"? Secure in the knowledge that none of these thousands of soldiers who'd seen Daemons and a Daemon Primarch were not themselves, now, harboring a Daemon within them?

We're talking thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians here. It's impossible to watch that many people closely enough to ensure that none of them are possessed or corrupted. A handful of nobles? Much, much easier. They all tend to live and work in the same place, there's much fewer of them, and means exist to maintain observation of them covertly. Sisters Famulous are one such means. Inquisitorial Agents inserted into the household staff is another.

Instead, the Space Wolves got their beards in a knot because they're too dim to see the big picture here.

As far as "knowing their place"... the Inquisition's authority extends to every living person in the Imperium with the exception of 2 groups. One of those groups is the Adeptus Custodes. The other one is the God-Emperor, Himself.

 Psienesis wrote:

The other one is the God-Emperor, Himself.

GOD-Emperor? heretic :-)...Let them come to Fenris space area then...I'm sure old Grimmy has stored something for them....2nd round of beating probably...+ there is whole 13th company in the warp fighting chaos scum so count them too....

What do you think would happened if they tried something similar with BA or UM ?
Like Op said, FT are borderline chaotic, so what did they do? BA and mutations ?
DA ? Half legion - chaos/traitor ? BR - Kyras the Khorne librarian ?

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

The other one is the God-Emperor, Himself.

GOD-Emperor? heretic :-)...Let them come to Fenris space area then...I'm sure old Grimmy has stored something for them....2nd round of beating probably...+ there is whole 13th company in the warp fighting chaos scum so count them too....

What do you think would happened if they tried something similar with BA or UM ?
Like Op said, FT are borderline chaotic, so what did they do? BA and mutations ?
DA ? Half legion - chaos/traitor ? BR - Kyras the Khorne librarian ?

Problem is that most of those chapters are very good at keeping secrets from the inquisition. Exactly because they know the consequences if it ever becomes known. The FT might be brutal, but they havent killed inquisitors and grey knights. If the one who did this was anyone less than the SW they would have been killed, declared traitors. There should be a breaking point, at which they are declared traitors, but GW is too heavily invested in them. So they should watch themselves that they dont write bigger and bigger ott acts of resistance against the inquisiton. They might have a lot of manouvering room because they are the SW, but it could get ridicolous if BL and GW dont keep the fluff on a leash.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

The other one is the God-Emperor, Himself.

GOD-Emperor? heretic :-)...Let them come to Fenris space area then...I'm sure old Grimmy has stored something for them....2nd round of beating probably...+ there is whole 13th company in the warp fighting chaos scum so count them too....

What do you think would happened if they tried something similar with BA or UM ?
Like Op said, FT are borderline chaotic, so what did they do? BA and mutations ?
DA ? Half legion - chaos/traitor ? BR - Kyras the Khorne librarian ?

Problem is that most of those chapters are very good at keeping secrets from the inquisition. Exactly because they know the consequences if it ever becomes known. The FT might be brutal, but they havent killed inquisitors and grey knights. If the one who did this was anyone less than the SW they would have been killed, declared traitors. There should be a breaking point, at which they are declared traitors, but GW is too heavily invested in them. So they should watch themselves that they dont write bigger and bigger ott acts of resistance against the inquisiton. They might have a lot of manouvering room because they are the SW, but it could get ridicolous if BL and GW dont keep the fluff on a leash.

But this is a feth up - by both Inqusition, and the SW...Would you agree ? Like I said they relented on a principle in the end, which is for a SW worse then death or being purged (*this comes straight from the authors mouth*)...So this are really moths of shame...For both factions...

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

The other one is the God-Emperor, Himself.

GOD-Emperor? heretic :-)...Let them come to Fenris space area then...I'm sure old Grimmy has stored something for them....2nd round of beating probably...+ there is whole 13th company in the warp fighting chaos scum so count them too....

What do you think would happened if they tried something similar with BA or UM ?
Like Op said, FT are borderline chaotic, so what did they do? BA and mutations ?
DA ? Half legion - chaos/traitor ? BR - Kyras the Khorne librarian ?

Problem is that most of those chapters are very good at keeping secrets from the inquisition. Exactly because they know the consequences if it ever becomes known. The FT might be brutal, but they havent killed inquisitors and grey knights. If the one who did this was anyone less than the SW they would have been killed, declared traitors. There should be a breaking point, at which they are declared traitors, but GW is too heavily invested in them. So they should watch themselves that they dont write bigger and bigger ott acts of resistance against the inquisiton. They might have a lot of manouvering room because they are the SW, but it could get ridicolous if BL and GW dont keep the fluff on a leash.

But this is a feth up - by both Inqusition, and the SW...Would you agree ? Like I said they relented on a principle in the end, which is for a SW worse then death or being purged (*this comes straight from the authors mouth*)...So this are really moths of shame...For both factions...

Well both sides have done wrong things in the eyes of the other. The fault lies with both of them, but usually the inquisition isnt that understanding, so its only the fact that they are the Space Wolves that saved them from death. The SW are important to the Imperium for their duty around the Eye, so they have some room and being loyal for 10.000 years also earns you kudo's. They might have lost on principle, but they shouldnt feel sad, they should rejoice that they tried and live to try (and succeed/fail) it again. Knowing the inquisitions double standards, its bound to happen again.

You are forgeting that the main reason why "I" didn't forced a direct action against them (after months of shame) is because of "fear that some other chapter joins them"...Which only shows how imperium really can't afford another civil war....
Also just check Abby's 13th black crusade - and wolves + Grimmy , imagine if they weren't there...

Hit on the first founding legion is something which "I" really can't afford due to other threats... Now if it was a time of peace, sure :-)....

 DarthMarko wrote:
You are forgeting that the main reason why "I" didn't forced a direct action against them (after months of shame) is because of "fear that some other chapter joins them"...Which only shows how imperium really can't afford another civil war....


Hit on the first founding legion is something which "I" really can't afford due to other threats....Also just check Abby's 13th black crusade - and wolves + Grimmy over there, imagine if they weren't there...

Yeah I already mentioned it on the first page:

But the inquisition might be reluctant for killing of a first founding chapter, for the greater consequences it may cause. If it happened to them, why risk it and not kill them off kind of thinking, because now no chapter is safe. The high lords might block such attempts, reasoning one chapter on the edge of being viewed as traitors is better than whole chapters starting to cecede to avoid the same fate. As the Ultramarines might just pull half the Imperium with them if one overzealous inquisitor goes too far

But its difficult to say in case of the SW, since they lack the succesors the others have, although they would be joined for the principle, like a larger Badab war. Their track record speaks for themselves, they have gotten enough chances to go traitor, but never did and helped save the IoM together with other chapters around the Eye multiple times. So they have built a certain amount of trust which younger chapters lack against the inquisition.

In a nutshell it all comes down to politics.

In theory, any Inquisitor is answerable to no one except the Emperor. An Inquisitor that has just received their rosette seal could in theory turn around and declare all the High Lords of Terra heretics and traitors and demand their execution. In theory, an Inquisitor could demand all the ships of a Segmentum answer his beck and call. In practice, such demands while perfectly legal in theory would be ignored and would result in the Inquisitor being found by his peers to be either insane or a heretic himself.

In theory, the Space Marines are also answerable to no one except the Emperor. They are under no explicit obligation to answer any call for assistance by any Imperial world or organization. Being autonomous it is up for debate whether they are technically even bound by prohibitions against contact with aliens or Chaos. However any Chapter that just sat around and ignored all calls for assistance or that engaged in private empire building such as Huron did with the Astral Claws, or collected Chaos artifacts like the Relictors, would alienate the rest of the Imperium and eventually result in the Chapter being punished or declared traitor by the combined forces of other Imperial organizations.

The behavior of both these groups therefore is constrained not just by what is technically legal and within their rights, but by what they can get away with by virtue of their political standing and connections.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
The anger that the Wolves felt about the trreatment was always well known, that it led to actual violence against the Inquisiton and Grey Knights is new

Does the conflict in the Emperors gift take place immediately or some time after the events of the First War?

YES - immediately
Read that book, dude !!!

I probably will when it come out in paperback and not an expensive hardback which I don't like anyway. I purchase most BL product but As I did not really like the Grey Knights codex I was unsure about this one - even given the usually excellent author.

Iracundus wrote:
In a nutshell it all comes down to politics.

In theory, any Inquisitor is answerable to no one except the Emperor. An Inquisitor that has just received their rosette seal could in theory turn around and declare all the High Lords of Terra heretics and traitors and demand their execution. In theory, an Inquisitor could demand all the ships of a Segmentum answer his beck and call. In practice, such demands while perfectly legal in theory would be ignored and would result in the Inquisitor being found by his peers to be either insane or a heretic himself.

In theory, the Space Marines are also answerable to no one except the Emperor. They are under no explicit obligation to answer any call for assistance by any Imperial world or organization. Being autonomous it is up for debate whether they are technically even bound by prohibitions against contact with aliens or Chaos. However any Chapter that just sat around and ignored all calls for assistance or that engaged in private empire building such as Huron did with the Astral Claws, or collected Chaos artifacts like the Relictors, would alienate the rest of the Imperium and eventually result in the Chapter being punished or declared traitor by the combined forces of other Imperial organizations.

The behavior of both these groups therefore is constrained not just by what is technically legal and within their rights, but by what they can get away with by virtue of their political standing and connections.

Well said, I think that is a bang on the money for the answer. They both have special positions within the imperial hierarchy which in in itself is an extremely Byzantine and complex.

If the forces of Chaos had won the Horus Heresy, the God Emperor would be considered the traitor.

History is written by the victors.

To be honest, if Bjorn didn't make a truce with the Inquisition Fenris would be destroyed.
GK/RH + ]II[? Even the SW couldn't win a conflict like that.

Also: SW don't hate the whole Inquisition. In fact, the Ordo Xeno use plenty SW in their Deathwatch.
If the Inquisitor isn't a douchebag who doesn't give a feth about humans lives they'd be happy of help him.
The SW hate the Ecclesiarchy, 'cause they believe (properly in my opinion) that the whole "The Emperor is a God" thing is what started the HH and the decline of the Humanity.
The SW view the Emperor like a great warrior, nothing more, nothing less.