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The best part of the movie was...


Yea, that was the end-all, be-all of Trek right there, wasn't it?

It was an OK film if you remember to switch off your higher brain functions.

As an action film it was quite enjoyable but what really spoils it were the tedious soap opera segments (especially between Ohura and Spock) which didn't exactly leave the actors covered in glory.

Benedict Cumerbatch made a suprisingly good badie

Watched it again with the wife, and still think it is good.

Didn't notice the replica of the 3-nacelle dreadnaught on the admirals office the first time, and more little throwbacks to the originals.

Still think all the actors are doing a great job capturing the original actors without copying them and begin ham-fisted about it.

And poor Chekov looked terrified after being told to put on a red shirt.

The wife and I both enjoyed it immensely.

Yes, it has plot holes that you could drive a truck through...but so does nearly every big movie. It was solid entertainment with a lot of great action and a visually appealing cast and scenes.

Cumberbatch was great. Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty and Uhura had good contributions. Sulu and Chekov added more in this film than the first one but still need a bit more to do.

The film copies elements from other sci-fi and action film tropes, but that is par for these types of films. We just want to see them take the tropes and execute them better than before. I think this film executed them well but not really better than previous films.

Alice Eve was not a bad addition but her screen presence was not as impressive as most of the other cast members.

The Klingons got wedgies...hopefully, a future film will give us a better fight. At least they looked good dying like flies.

The ship to ship battle scenes were brief and poorly thought out. The director could learn a lot from naval battle scenes or even films like the Pirates of the Caribbean or Master and Commander. Actually, the person-to-person fight scenes were also poor - usually dark with awkward angles.

The film also had several lofty morals that probably mean more to Americans than the rest of the world.

The real litmus test...would I watch it again....yes, but not for another 15 €. I will see it again on DVD.

 d-usa wrote:
Hehehe....

Tribbles...

There weren't nearly enough in this movie. I needed to see 25 more for complete satisfaction.


Otherwise, I enjoyed the movie. Saw it in 3D, but don't think it added anything other than seeing the Superman trailer in 3D. CANNOT wait for that flick. Let the summer movies begin!

I think most of the characters got to grow, and I do like that you feel like you are watching the old actors but still feel like they are growing into new personas. I feel like I am watching the old characters, but I don't feel like I am watching a copy of the old characters (if that makes any sense).

One thing I noticed when watching it a second time is that you see a lot more of the civilians in this movie, which I did like. In the past it almost felt like it was always all Starfleet so seeing even a little bit of civilians was nice.

I like the current uniforms. Might have been to give it more of a military feel (together with the question of "we used to be explorers, are we military now?" of the movie).

The mini-Birds of Prey were nice, and I thought the Klingons looked good.

 d-usa wrote:

Spoiler:

 JB wrote:
The wife and I both enjoyed it immensely.

Yes, it has plot holes that you could drive a truck through...but so does nearly every big movie. It was solid entertainment with a lot of great action and a visually appealing cast and scenes.

Cumberbatch was great. Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty and Uhura had good contributions. Sulu and Chekov added more in this film than the first one but still need a bit more to do.

The film copies elements from other sci-fi and action film tropes, but that is par for these types of films. We just want to see them take the tropes and execute them better than before. I think this film executed them well but not really better than previous films.

Alice Eve was not a bad addition but her screen presence was not as impressive as most of the other cast members.

The Klingons got wedgies...hopefully, a future film will give us a better fight. At least they looked good dying like flies.

The ship to ship battle scenes were brief and poorly thought out. The director could learn a lot from naval battle scenes or even films like the Pirates of the Caribbean or Master and Commander. Actually, the person-to-person fight scenes were also poor - usually dark with awkward angles.

The film also had several lofty morals that probably mean more to Americans than the rest of the world.

The real litmus test...would I watch it again....yes, but not for another 15 €. I will see it again on DVD.

I think most of the characters got to grow, and I do like that you feel like you are watching the old actors but still feel like they are growing into new personas. I feel like I am watching the old characters, but I don't feel like I am watching a copy of the old characters (if that makes any sense).

One thing I noticed when watching it a second time is that you see a lot more of the civilians in this movie, which I did like. In the past it almost felt like it was always all Starfleet so seeing even a little bit of civilians was nice.

I like the current uniforms. Might have been to give it more of a military feel (together with the question of "we used to be explorers, are we military now?" of the movie).

The mini-Birds of Prey were nice, and I thought the Klingons looked good.

Yeah, I liked the mini-Warbirds too. They looked sleek and aerodynamic whilst maintaining the Klingon brutality and blockiness we all love.

The guy sitting opposite me at work is ranting about how terrible the movie was.

His key complaint was Khan is supposed to from India, but he's played by a 'pom'. When I pointed out the original actor wasn't an Indian either, he shrugged and kept ranting how the original was better.

All this does is solidify my need to see it. If trekkies are hating it, I'm going to enjoy it immensely.

I didn't really understand why Kronos looked like a Decepticon-ized Cybertron? It was like an abandoned, GW-grimdark Coruscant.

Just didn't mesh at all with the images I remember from The Next Generation. The moon actually in the process of crashing into it seemed a little extreme (it was touching the surface!!), but I seem to remember something like that from previous Trek stories-- wasn't it a reference to The Undiscovered Country?

Yeah, Kronos was the moon Kirk and Bones were sent to.

 -Loki- wrote:
Yeah, Kronos was the moon Kirk and Bones were sent to.

I thought the moon was Praxis.

 Breotan wrote:
The best part of the movie was...

Spoiler:

...where young Spock made a phone call to old Spock asking for spoilers on how the movie was supposed to end.

Yea, that was the end-all, be-all of Trek right there, wasn't it?

Pity he didn't consider

I, on the other hand, found it just plain awful. Oh. My. GOD.

This is quite possibly the worst movie made involving successful franchise I've ever seen... and that INCLUDES Transformers, Star Wars 1-3, Superman 3, and Batman Returns.

It suffers from one of the same problems SW 1-3 had - they had to drop everything to inject a little humor of the sort the original cast could do in passing. The chemestry was off, the acting overdone (and not just by Kirk this time), the special effects...

Okay, the special effects were pretty good. But so were the effects in SW 1-3. Special effects does not a good movie make.

Next... why bother resetting the universe in your FIRST movie... if you're just going to plagurize half the ORIGINAL second movie for YOUR second movie?

And plot holes. C'mon. I've already mentioned

That's just the beginning... but I'm going to stop here because I need to go throw up.

No, I meant that wasn't it one of Kronos' moons in The Undiscovered Country that got blown up in a laboratory accident, sending it into a disintegrating orbit towards Kronos? I thought it was the point the forced the Klingons to ask the Federation for help, which Kirk really didn't want to give because of the situation with his son.

My memory is rusty because the movies came out whan I was a kid, but I liked how this movie had a bunch of nods to the "original" timeline, that being one of them.

Though this movie has a glaring hole that was in the original..........

Where are all the other ships??? Nothing was in orbit around Kronos OR Earth more than the station Enterprise was docked at! Nothing!

They were sent to the 'Alien's Graveyard', the Rura Penthe prison asteroid.

Praxis is the moon that explodes and Qo'noS is the klingon homeworld all detailed in Undiscovered Country.

 -Loki- wrote:
Yeah, Kronos was the moon Kirk and Bones were sent to.

No, that was Rura Penthe, which was itself a nod to War and Peace. In fact that whole movie was a nod to War and Peace.

Saw it yesterday. I really liked it. Nearly peed myself with excitement when Kahn revealed his true name. Spock screaming KAAAAAAHN! may have been the greatest moment in ST history. Kind of wish they left Kirk dead so it was the true reverse of Star Trek II. They just could have brought him back in next one.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I didn't really understand why Kronos looked like a Decepticon-ized Cybertron? It was like an abandoned, GW-grimdark Coruscant.

Throughout the first 6 movies, The Next Generation, and DSP everything Klingon has been portrayed as being a bit grimdark.

Yeah, but it was a civilized world, not a world-spanning city like Coruscant, where you can fly ships through the lower levels like canyons.

Of course, this is the same movie where Earth's gravity pulls the ships down, when they come out of warp near the moon ( ). Suspension of belief is needed.

They weren't in orbit around Kronos, they were way out in the neutral zone, which is a big section of space, thus the whole point of giving them experimental long range torpedoes. The shuttle they flew to Kronos on was a non-Federation vehicle so that the Federation would not be implicated.

Distance and travel time were certainly one of the issues they had trouble expressing in a relevant way in the film.

Where are all the other ships???

Well a bunch of the captains and first officers were killed, and I imagine others were out elsewhere. I also get the impression Star Fleet isn't the 900lb. gorilla of the quadrant just yet with a huge fleet. Also recall in the last film the Romulan ship took out a good chunk as well, and I imagine it would take time to rebuild.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Of course, this is the same movie where Earth's gravity pulls the ships down, when they come out of warp near the moon

Well, the Enterprise drifted toward Earth until it was pulled into the atmosphere, as it was pretty jacked up by the other ship. One can drift in space you know.

They did try to make it clear that they were in an abandoned section of Kronos.

In regards to where all the ships are IIRC at this point in history Starfleet is very small. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even have 30 ships.

 d-usa wrote:
They did try to make it clear that they were in an abandoned section of Kronos.

The 'X Merchants'* shuttle they were in went to Kronos, the Enterprise never left the Neutral Zone.


*They stated where they got the shuttle from but I don't remember now. Like saying it was an Orion Pirate shuttle.

 Ahtman wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
They did try to make it clear that they were in an abandoned section of Kronos.

The 'X Merchants'* shuttle they were in went to Kronos, the Enterprise never left the Neutral Zone.


*They stated where they got the shuttle from but I don't remember now. Like saying it was an Orion Pirate shuttle.

And the shuttle landed on an abandoned part of Kronos.

Just got back from the theatre. Really enjoyed the movie. Love how well the actors are capturing the old actors.

A few things I didn't like though were the Klingons. I know they never can seem to settle on a particular style form movie to movie or series but I didn't really care for this new style. Plus Klingons are all about close combat and they were just getting hosed down like they were weak or something.

Khan was ok. I felt the original actor did a better job though.

Love the role reversal between spock and kirk at the end there.

One thing I didn't understand was how khan had the knowledge to build advance tech when he was frozen for 300 years. In the original movie that's how they defeated him. Sure he was super strong and smart but he was not experienced with advanced tactics in space.

Over all I really like the movie. The Klingon thing is the only thing that really annoys me. Not sure why. Maybe it was all the jewelry.

 d-usa wrote:
And the shuttle landed on an abandoned part of Kronos.

Perhaps I misunderstood the point of your statement; I don't think that point was being questioned, but perhaps I missed it. I'm guessing it had something to do with the moon crashing into the planet.

 Ahtman wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
They did try to make it clear that they were in an abandoned section of Kronos.

The 'X Merchants'* shuttle they were in went to Kronos, the Enterprise never left the Neutral Zone.


*They stated where they got the shuttle from but I don't remember now. Like saying it was an Orion Pirate shuttle.

They said it was from 'The Mudd incident' (the comic series has been working over a lot of the material from the original series and Mudd's Daughter featured in the comic prequel Countdown to Darkness.)

 wowsmash wrote:
The Klingon thing is the only thing that really annoys me. Not sure why. Maybe it was all the jewelry.

I didn't like the whole "Mad Max" villian type vibe the Klingons had to them.

It was mainly the little things that annoyed me, like the fact that the Enterprise seemed to Warp from Earth to Kronos (and back again) in a matter of minutes. This happened on the 1st film as well. Even at top warp speed that should take days.

Oh and the fact that it is apparently possible to Transport directly from Earth to Kronos in the first place with a portable transporter. If that is possible you may as well abolish Star Fleet altogether.

Overall I still enjoyed it allot more than the 2009 film.

I was left a bit flat.

The blonde science officer chick was immediately spotted as Kirk eye candy, she obligingly strips giving a wonderful, if brazenly long and awkward frontal shot in her underwear, then she strides off with the torpedo on the panetoid wearing a suit that made her ass look 1 meter wide.

They went through the motions jumping from action sequence to action sequence but there was no real soul to the characters or movie that made you want them to win.

Cumberbatch was the exception, once the revelations started flowing I started hoping he would kick everyone's ass.

Movie was alright. Did remind me how much I miss Ricardo Montalbán, though.