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Would be cool. Commodore garth kicking Klingon butt.

Having said that I may just wait until this one comes out on rental. The Khan thing has really put me off, and I find my self looking forward to the Superman flick, WWZ, and The End, much more.

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait if the loss of seven ships has so hammered the Federation

For all we know those 47 ships were of the type that Khan was blowing out of the air single-handedly. We can't rebuild 7 F-22's in a year, let alone replace 7 (I would be curious where the number originated from though) capitol ships and all hands on board in a year. If the US lost all it's carriers in one day, excluding the Enterprise, it would be a pretty serious blow to our force projection, not to mention the amount of manpower lost. It ain't no little thing.

Fair point

 Frazzled wrote:
Would be cool. Commodore garth kicking Klingon butt.

Having said that I may just wait until this one comes out on rental. The Khan thing has really put me off, and I find my self looking forward to the Superman flick, WWZ, and The End, much more.

You haven't even seen it yet? You just enjoy a good feed of spoilers I guess eh?

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Would be cool. Commodore garth kicking Klingon butt.

Having said that I may just wait until this one comes out on rental. The Khan thing has really put me off, and I find my self looking forward to the Superman flick, WWZ, and The End, much more.

Yuo haven't even seen it yet? You just enjoy a good feed of spoilers I guess eh?

Spoilers don't bother me for this. i wasn't expecting a deep plot.

I don't see how you can be peeved about a plot point in a film you haven't seen and so have no context for. Anyway, you should go check it out it's good.

He was the same way about the last Batman movie, it's a Frazzled thing.

 d-usa wrote:
He was the same way about the last Batman movie, it's a Frazzled thing.

Ah, I've learned to stay away from Frazzled things...

 d-usa wrote:
He was the same way about the last Batman movie, it's a Frazzled thing.

I didn't like the last Batman movie, and regret renting it. It spoiled the essential greatness of the second movie. Except now I break into Bain conversation mode and make the wieners whine.


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Am I the only one looking forward to seeing The End? And the new The End movie too?

I actually find I like DKR more as time goes on. I suppose it is because the initial viewing, even if one is trying to be objective, is compared to DK.

I'm guessing when the enterprise gets rebuilt and re-christened at the end that it has all the new tech like improved warp capability's etc. It would seem odd that after getting pretty much destroyed by USS Vengeance and all the advanced tech they have from khan it would be silly to build it Identical to what it was. I was hoping for a new Enterprise B at the end but I guess not.

What did everyone think of the Klingons? It's the first time we've really seen them in the new series. I thought the makeup job was is a little more advanced now than it used to be and they were pretty intimidating.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
What did everyone think of the Klingons? It's the first time we've really seen them in the new series. I thought the makeup job was is a little more advanced now than it used to be and they were pretty intimidating.

It had me clinging onto the edge of my seat?

Ya they looked cool could have done without the piercings though.

OK saw it.
Liked:
-the Klingons. They seem predatory and not that "honor bound samurai" shtick going on. Much more like STOS. Aggressive and alien looking. I like their giant batleths.
-the dreadnought. If the admiral was ready for war I'm thinking there's more than one of these. They look like they could kick serious ass. I wonder, how do they compare vs. a galaxy class.


Didn't like:
-immature Kirk. Again?
-The space battles. I liked the dreadnought catching up and blasting it out, but the overall battle was merely ok.
-Superman er Khan. How did he become super super man? There are limits to humans. I liked the actor but really?
-The plot was meh.
-overall meh. Major letdown from the first "reimaging." On thepositive I saw the Superman trailer. Looks good.
-The admiral was so much better. I'd rather him just talk then anyone else.

One thing that peeves me about Abrams' version is that Pike was supposed to be Spock's friend. Kirk hardly knew the man. Sad to see that tossed away for "The Captain Kirk Show".

Seeing as Kirk's dad died, it isn't shocking that they'd bring in a classic character to bring Kirk into Star Fleet instead. And Pike was still Spock's friend :/ Sorta.

 Breotan wrote:
One thing that peeves me about Abrams' version is that Pike was supposed to be Spock's friend. Kirk hardly knew the man. Sad to see that tossed away for "The Captain Kirk Show".

Spock and Pike's relationship is mostly professional, Kirk and Pike's is Mentor/Mentee with some father/son elemnts tossed in. Spock and Pike are friendly, but their relationship really isn't like Kirk and Spocks. In the pilot of ST I don't get the impression they are good friends, and later in The Menagerie Spock is more motivated by duty and logic then a strong personal bond.

Spock shouts a lot in the old pilot, and is quite emotional.

 Frazzled wrote:
Spock shouts a lot in the old pilot, and is quite emotional.

Does he? I don't recall that, but it has been some time since I watched it.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Spock shouts a lot in the old pilot, and is quite emotional.

Does he? I don't recall that, but it has been some time since I watched it.

He does, but it is important that pilot Spock is in no way an accurate representation of TOS Spock. The Spock in the pilot was pretty "normal" and they had a woman who was cold and non-emotional. They changed that aspect of being cold and without emotion to Spock when the series was picked up.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Spock shouts a lot in the old pilot, and is quite emotional.

Does he? I don't recall that, but it has been some time since I watched it.

Yes. I'm talking "The Cage" Pilot I here now. They were trying for an emotional alien (wo that turned out different) and a female first officer (Later Nurse Chapel).


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 Mr Nobody wrote:
What did everyone think of the Klingons? It's the first time we've really seen them in the new series. I thought the makeup job was is a little more advanced now than it used to be and they were pretty intimidating.

Yes. They seemed much more predatory. Would not want to be one of their prisoners. Did not expect to see Klingons repelling out of ships.

After all, the Admiral was right. War is inevitable.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Liked it, maybe even loved it...

Till they decided it was a remake of Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan, only without the emotional impact because they'd foreshadowed how they're bring back Kirk in the first #$%^ing scene of the film.

And then they settled everything with a fist fight.

Sigh...

And I still h8, h8, h8 the idea of a reboot. You cannot have a show whose premise is 'boldly go where no one has gone before' and then go backwards.

H8ed the Enterprise show for the same reason.

Still much more logical than Star Trek 11: The Reboot. I give Star Trek 12: The Wrathier of Khanier a covet rating of 4/5 stars.

Concur on all points except hating Enterprise, which I really enjoyed. I realize this makes me a pariah amongst a lot of Trek fans but Voyager kicked donkey too so there

I did however strongly appreciate how they mirrored Wrath of Khan in the final arc of the movie, it was actually really enjoyable. 4/5.

edit: The Klingons were great! I hope we see more of them soon.

Still much more logical than Star Trek 11: The Reboot.

Looking at the amount of money the reboot has made and the number of non-Star Trek people they were able to get into the theaters it seems pretty logical, actually.

There is a lot to like about the new series, but I'm hoping that with someone other than JJ at the helm we will get something in between the groaning, ponderous morality plays of the older series with the SUPERFAST, CUT, CUT, LEEEEEEEENNNNNSSSSFFFFFLLLLAAAARRRRREEEE of the new films. They have a good cast overall, and nice designs, they just need someone with a bit more gravitas to elevate it. The potential is there, but it needs a steadier hand, and I say that as someone who overall enjoyed the new movies.

The issue with Abrams and why I don't want him any where near a new Star Wars film is that the man is technically competent, and extremely so, but he has no vision. So his films will never be anything more then "good" at the very best.

I think JJ Abrams is going to do very well on Star Wars, considering that the Visual Look for the new Star Trek has been taken from the original trilogy, Empire specifically.

Bringing Star Trek to a wider audience by combining the characters with top quality visuals and action pace is quite visionary imho. At any rate he is listed as being involved in the next film.

I'd like to see the Borg in the new series. Nero's ship IIRC had Borg technology, perhaps this was detected by them prior to it's passage through the "Black Hole". Temporal Rift would have been better. Maybe entering the larger Black Hole tore the Narada apart and displaced it's parts throughout time and space.

If not the Borg, it seems unusual for the Romulans to be absent. Perhaps the Klingon War is bypassed in favour of the Romulan war. Klingons and the Federation being forced to ally.

 Medium of Death wrote:
If not the Borg, it seems unusual for the Romulans to be absent.

At this period they don't yet have warp technology, so their travel is fairly slow compared to the other major powers.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think JJ Abrams is going to do very well on Star Wars, considering that the Visual Look for the new Star Trek has been taken from the original trilogy, Empire specifically.

Bringing Star Trek to a wider audience by combining the characters with top quality visuals and action pace is quite visionary imho. At any rate he is listed as being involved in the next film.

I'd like to see the Borg in the new series. Nero's ship IIRC had Borg technology, perhaps this was detected by them prior to it's passage through the "Black Hole". Temporal Rift would have been better. Maybe entering the larger Black Hole tore the Narada apart and displaced it's parts throughout time and space.

If not the Borg, it seems unusual for the Romulans to be absent. Perhaps the Klingon War is bypassed in favour of the Romulan war. Klingons and the Federation being forced to ally.

We had Romulans in the first film.
I'd like to see something completely different, new.

Bring back Q!

Q could be awesome, and honestly if you're bringing back Q you need to bring back his actor. I love the idea of John de Lancie dropping references to the various other timelines he's also mucking around in for kicks. As for bad guys, in this period of Federation History there's plenty of bad guys to deal with that aren't the traditional big three, time line wise the Borg are still deep in the Delta Quadrant, the Romulans are pre-warp, so the Klingon Empire is the big threat of the day, followed by other antagonistic factions such as the Gorn, Tholians, etc.

Lots of options, but I do think it's gonna be game on with the Klingon Empire for round three, which I heartily welcome. To Sto-Vo-Kor!