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Wait. What? I've never heard of anything like this in a First World Republic.
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe
Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.

In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records. U.S. officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have leaked information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."

Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual and largely unprecedented.

In the letter notifying the AP received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.

Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012 story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of leaking classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.

Justice Department published rules require that subpoenas of records from news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained though subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.

Spokesmen in Machen's office and at the Justice Department had no immediate comment on Monday.

The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can only be considered after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department has taken to get information in the case.

A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."

It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant because the White House had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once government officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot because officials said it no longer endangered national security. The Obama administration, however, continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.

The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.

Brennan talked about the AP story and leaks investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he said.

He also defended the White House's plan to discuss the plot immediately afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators.

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That's interesting, I can't wait to hear the reason behind such a large and wide sweeping request.

 
   
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I'm kind of okay with this. I get really sick of hearing about government officials/high ranking individuals leaking information that is related to OPSEC and such, doing so anonymously through the media. Maybe some people violating their security clearances getting canned will make the rest of them shut their mouths about certain things.

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The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of leaking classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.


I wonder why that might be?

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 dogma wrote:
The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of leaking classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.


I wonder why that might be?

Look at the case...

Look at the time frame...

Who was running re-election?

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant because the White House had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once government officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot because officials said it no longer endangered national security. The Obama administration, however, continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.


It was an inconvenient story for an administration determined to claim that Al Qaeda was beaten and on the run. The press was pressured into not reporting it.

That seems AWFULLY familiar...

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 dogma wrote:
The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of leaking classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.


I wonder why that might be?


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The only thing is that, it appears only to be the "meta data" on those phone calls. Not the content of those phone conversations.

Right...?

Are they truly protected?

I first glance, it seems to be merely an investigation on who are the reporters AND their confidential informants. That does seem bad...

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Sorry, haven't seen the movie in a while.

Now back in ancient times you needed a judge to sign off on a wiretap. There's a judge that signed off on this carpet wide tap? Two months for multiple offices and multiple #s? Again I've not heard of that before...ever. Thats...er...different.

Whats going on over there? ? ?

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Why do I constantly have to keep bringing up the FBI, who pretty much did this kind of thing at will throughout the 30's, 40's, and 50's.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Why do I constantly have to keep bringing up the FBI, who pretty much did this kind of thing at will throughout the 30's, 40's, and 50's.


There were laws put in place after that time to prevent such.

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Look at the case...

Look at the time frame...


Look at the laws regarding classification.

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There might have been a very good reason for the request.

If there was, then there better be some good answers in the congressional hearings that are sure to follow.
   
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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Look at the case...

Look at the time frame...


Look at the laws regarding classification.

I get that.

But, two wrong doesn't make it right.

Did the DoJ get the warrant? That's unknown now... I haven't seen it... have you?

If they were looking for who's been leaking classified info, then find 'em and throw the book at 'em. But, do it with the parameters of the law... that's in question here.

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Interesting...

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Who made the request and who approved it.......two names ought o be interesting

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 Jihadin wrote:
Who made the request and who approved it.......two names ought o be interesting

Holder has to sign off on media subpoenas.
   
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A lot of questionable calls have been made by Holder over the years.
   
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 whembly wrote:

If they were looking for who's been leaking classified info, then find 'em and throw the book at 'em. But, do it with the parameters of the law... that's in question here.


My guess is that you're assuming the law was broken because the word "secretly" was included in the article featured by the OP.

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A lot of questionable calls have been made by Holder over the years.


Holder's a kinda shady SOB. I really don't know how he still has a job.

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Its all an attack on people who don't believe government should be run the way the current leadership(Or complete lack thereof) does. Little by little this administration is testing the waters of what they can get away with, I hate to bring up the Boston bombings but its a perfect example of how government proves that we the people have no real rights, How many homes in Water town were raided by police during the martial law "man hunt" for one guy? They were after one fregg'n guy and the police roll around town in tanks and raid homes without warrants.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I never thought I'd say this, but maybe the pro-gun lobby has a point. Since 9/11 freedoms seem to be going down the drain in America (from Republicans and Democrats)



Agreed, and this is with both administrations.
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This crap.

I'm ok with snooping purely to catch spies, if it can't be used in court. But this isn't that. Its blanket sweeping up of calls. Thats screaminingly against the Constitution.

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Agreed, and this is with both administrations.
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This crap.

Indefinite detention without trial.
Assassination of US citizens without trial, including a child.
Prosecuting the whistleblower who confirmed the use of torture, while refusing to prosecute the torturers themselves.

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You forgot that they can now drone strike US citizens.

"“it is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.” -Eric Holder in a letter to Rand Paul. Jay Carney used the term “it is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.”“it is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States when asked when drone strikes should be used on US citizens.
Jay Carney has said drone strikes would be could be used on American citizens "Actively engaged in combat.".

Being a Marine I wonder when a person is "Actively engaged in combat."? One could suggest that the moment the thought occurs to go against the grain that the person is "Actively engaged in combat.".

   
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Holder backpedaled on that after Paul filibustered on it, because it is in fact illegal for the President to use the military in an offensive manner on U.S. soil, posse comitatus is still a thing. Scary that Holder's the head of the justice department and he doesn't know gak you're supposed to learn in civics class isn't it?

But yes from a freedom's perspective I can't blame ANY ONE for being suspicious of the U.S. Government given what's happened in this country since 9/11, the bills that ALWAYS make it through the Congress with nary a whisper are bills that hurt the people, the Patriot Act, all of the clusterfeth that is the DHS and TSA, the NDAA's indefinite detention provision, the list goes on and if you're not concerned you're not paying attention.

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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Holder backpedaled on that after Paul filibustered on it, because it is in fact illegal for the President to use the military in an offensive manner on U.S. soil, posse comitatus is still a thing. Scary that Holder's the head of the justice department and he doesn't know gak you're supposed to learn in civics class isn't it?

But yes from a freedom's perspective I can't blame ANY ONE for being suspicious of the U.S. Government given what's happened in this country since 9/11, the bills that ALWAYS make it through the Congress with nary a whisper are bills that hurt the people, the Patriot Act, all of the clusterfeth that is the DHS and TSA, the NDAA's indefinite detention provision, the list goes on and if you're not concerned you're not paying attention.

I agree with you 100%, and have been saying as much for some time now. My principle argument always revolves around the naivete of individuals thinking that they can resist through personal use of force.
   
 
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