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I've talked about it in some other threads but I just thought for planning purposes I'd bring it all into one space...

Basically NJ Gamer would like to run a 50 resource Brushfire Begginer Tournament at the Warstore Weekend. The overall idea is for NJ Gamer to provide everything but the players and prize support and OTL to provide the prize support. Pre built and painted loaner armies would be provided and people taking demos of the game would be strongly encouraged to return for the tournement. My hope is for this to happen on Saturday evening or afternoon.

I's also like to run another mega battle... I'm probably not going to have time to make a custom board but NJ Gamer has plenty of terrain.

So, Thoughts?

Some of my thoughts / Concerns...

Is OTL even interested in something like this?
Will the 2nd edition of the game be in use?
Should the tournement run off quick start rules or the full rules?
Is 50 resources to low?

I'm interested in the beginner tournament for sure! You mention providing the armies, but would it be possible to bring our own if we have one?

Prize support doesn't really bug me, even if it's non existent. It's a small point event, targeted at beginners, even allowing people with only a demo in to play. I'm not against it, mind you, I just don't see it as mandatory.

On the mega battle side, I am all for it, but I'll only have around 60-70pts by that time. I don't know if that's enough to make it worth getting in.

 Tonio wrote:
I'm interested in the beginner tournament for sure! You mention providing the armies, but would it be possible to bring our own if we have one?

Prize support doesn't really bug me, even if it's non existent. It's a small point event, targeted at beginners, even allowing people with only a demo in to play. I'm not against it, mind you, I just don't see it as mandatory.

On the mega battle side, I am all for it, but I'll only have around 60-70pts by that time. I don't know if that's enough to make it worth getting in.

That was actually something I included in my original email to The Warstore but never got copied over into my post. Players are more then welcome to bring there own armies or buy an army at the WSW and assemble it there to play. I'm just trying to take the investment side out of it for people thinking about getting into the game...

There will be prize support regardless of OTL's descision... However if they don't want to play it might be another companies rules and models...

I have enough models to play a megabattle by myself... But for what I'm thinking we do pretty much what we did at Templecon, everyone brings what they have then we balance from there.

Yes
Likely Yes
Full is best
Possibly? Might be better for 100.

I should have 200 resources of Aquitar and Civitas by then, so I'll be down for both events as long as It doesn't conflict with my own group's project.

I'll also add that Matt & I will stay out of the Beginner's tournament (unless you want a post-finale face the designer match).

But I'll join in the Megabattle for sure, and will attempt to bring 150~200 Resources of Ribenguo for anyone who wants a proper match.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Yes
Likely Yes
Full is best
Possibly? Might be better for 100.

This is good to hear...

My only reservation about moving the begginer tournement to 100 points is my ability to pull together a significant about of 100 resource loaner armies in the time frame I have left to work with. It's something for me to think about though.

The final, battle the designer thing is a neat idea...

I am not yet used to the point system, but doesn't 100 resources a bit big for people who might have only played a demo before, and not even read the rules?

 Tonio wrote:
I am not yet used to the point system, but doesn't 100 resources a bit big for people who might have only played a demo before, and not even read the rules?

It's 11~25 models on the field, where as 50 Resources is 6 to 15.

 Cyporiean wrote:
It's 11~25 models on the field, where as 50 Resources is 6 to 15.

Isn't that a reason NOT to use 100 Ressources? You throw people who had a 15-20 minutes intro to the game, playing 5-6 models, with a army 3-4 times that size, using unknown models and probably unknown rules. If anybody knowing the game even a little take part in the event, wouldn't it be like clubbing baby seal?

If prior knowledge of the rules was expected, I wouldn't see a problem with it. However, if you're allowing complete new players, I think game size should be limited.

In that case then, it should just be the Warbands.

If you wanted to give more balanced armies that more closely resemble what an actual game would be like.. then 100pts would be better at that.

The easiest way would also to be to use 100 point resource armies based on the contents of the Warbands

Aquitar:
Tactician
Weasels x10
Badgers x5

Ribenguo:
Kunoishi
Otter Ashigaru x10 (maybe 15?)
Tanuki Samurai x5

Vandalands
Rat Lord
Hamster Beserkers x4
Rat Raiders x 15

etc... or something along those lines
That way you can show someone how to play the game using models and resources they're likely to have encountered.

Hell I whipped up a balanced 150 resources for Whalemusic360 at AdeptiCon based on what I had, and he had little trouble picking up the game well enough to play it. it didn't take us 3 hours, and while he was short on some wood and gold, the man fething kicked my ass with his badgers

There are friendlier ways to ask for a sales pitch. -Mannahnin

That's fine, you're welcome to hold your opinions, but your post is off topic for this thread If you've got criticisms and feedback for us, you're welcome to start a thread or post in the Second Edition Playtesting and Feedback.

But based on your very short posting history, you seem to have issues following the basic Dakka rules, and as such I've reported your thread as off topic and trolling .

To answer some questions that have been brought up or touched upon in this thread...

First off this is going to be a beginners tournement and I'm going to treat it like that. If your not playing in the right mind set, not being nice or not helping each other you will find out awefully quickly that your not welcome at my event. A beginners tournement is ment to be a fun engaging way to get into the game.

The biggest limiting factor to the resource total used in the tournement is going to be just how many models I can have assembled and painted in time plus consideration given for a relativly short run time. If I were to bump up to 100 resources I'd probably construct forces along the lines of what Alf mentioned....

Well it's that time of year... Time to start getting ready for the Warstore Weekend.

My goals for this week are to:
- Write the tournament description and get it sent over to The Warstore
- Plan out the 5, 2' x 3' or 2' x 4' tournament boards
- Make a Home Depot supply run
- Get started on tournament forces

Most of it probably won't get done this weekend, but I like to be optimistic.

So here is what I know for sure.
- It's going to be a begginers tournament for up to 10 players.
- All models will be provided and there will be prize support.
- It's most likely going to run at somepoint on Saturday.

Here is what I'm not too sure about...
- 50 or 100 resource games? I've heard arguements going both ways but I havent made a descision yet. I'd like to keep the tournament relativly quick and simple but still be able to show off what makes each force unique. Right now I'm leaning towards a 50 resource tournament.
- 2' x 3' or 2' x4' Playing boards?
- Allowing players to bring their own models... I've toyed with the idea of using simplified stat cards for all the forces, if I did this players wouldn't be able to use their own models in the tournament.
- Time limits, blah blah blah... There was a push to get a tournament packet out a few months back. Did anything come of it?

I'm sure I'm missing something and it will probably hit me pretty soon. Right now I'm in the very peliminary planning stages and nothing is set in stone, so I'd really like to hear other peoples thoughts.

I think 50 Resources is an excellent choice. Its easier on you to come up with the models. The players have less to come to grips with, and less to manage as they learn/play. The games will go a little faster, reducing the need for a time limit.

Either size board will work well, terrain to clutter it is what will make the difference, I think. Both are narrow so you're introducing players to the concept.

If you're looking to show off what makes each force unique, simplified stat cards might counteract that. Running Demos, I've never had issues taking the first turn explaining the game, and letting people run from there with only a sparse question or two.


I think we released a tourney packet somewhere, I'll see if we can find it.

 miskatonicalum wrote:


I think we released a tourney packet somewhere, I'll see if we can find it.

Tom put out a WIP one, but has not finished the proper one.

 miskatonicalum wrote:
I think 50 Resources is an excellent choice. Its easier on you to come up with the models. The players have less to come to grips with, and less to manage as they learn/play. The games will go a little faster, reducing the need for a time limit.

Thats the difference between you and Emily.... If it was Emily answering this question she would have told me to run a 200 Resource tournament and that your webstore is always open.

 miskatonicalum wrote:
Either size board will work well, terrain to clutter it is what will make the difference, I think. Both are narrow so you're introducing players to the concept.

Is there any benefit to running a 50 Resource game on a bigger board? My thoughts was that the smaller board would make the games move alittle quicker.

 miskatonicalum wrote:
If you're looking to show off what makes each force unique, simplified stat cards might counteract that. Running Demos, I've never had issues taking the first turn explaining the game, and letting people run from there with only a sparse question or two.

My only reservation is that, atleast in my mind, most of the participants in the tournament are going to be playing after only ever really experiancing a demo...

 miskatonicalum wrote:
I think we released a tourney packet somewhere, I'll see if we can find it.

If you can find it that would be great. If not I'll go bug Alf about it... Actually I think I'm going to go and bug him anyway and see if I can get him to write me a tournament description.

Will 2nd edition rules and books be out by the time the tournament rolls around?

 Catyrpelius wrote:

Will 2nd edition rules and books be out by the time the tournament rolls around?

Heath is supposed to get me the coverart this week for the Digest edition which is all its waiting on before printing.

I'm still not sure if I'll be able to attend, but if I do, I'll be in for the tournament for sure.

I think 50pts is great for the level of knowledge required, and as you mentioned, should go quick and give a nice pace to the event.

If you're not able to attend, will Fragjuice pick up your board? or will we be holding it for ransom?

He is the reason I'm not sure to attend. Some significant other's birthday, or other (in)significant things like that.

I do have another friend going though, for the 40k tournament. He could pick up the board for me. Or you could keep it until Templecon. We'll see when the event gets nearer,

Hey, we love the board, so no worries if we have to hold onto it for another convention!

Ok....

So here is what I'm thinking.
- 50 resources
- 2'x3' boards
- All models provided but you can bring your own
- Begginer friendly format
- Version 2.0 rules

I'm thinking Saturday from 2:00 to 6:00?

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Ok....

So here is what I'm thinking.
- 50 resources
- 2'x3' boards
- All models provided but you can bring your own
- Beginner friendly format
- Version 2.0 rules

I'm thinking Saturday from 2:00 to 6:00?

I like it, also I fixed a spelling error (beginner has 1 g and 2 n's).

Brushfire Young Pups Beginner's Tournament.

Animals go to war in this beginner's tournament for Brushfire -Historia Rodentia-. A historical parody skirmish game, Brushfire, features anthropomorphic animals battling each other in the time of great heroes and their retinue fighting for their empires. Players will take command of an untested hero and his retinue as they battle in the proving grounds fighting for honor and glory of their nation. The Young Pups Tournament is perfect for anyone that wishes to play Brushfire but doesn't have a lot of experience. Players are not required to bring anything but themselves, though they may wish to bring their own models if they'd like.

I know you asked for a tournament description, but I was waiting on a few more of the details to be finalized. I can edit this if you'd like

Actually I really like that and I think I'll use it.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Actually I really like that and I think I'll use it.

Who are you and wtf have you done with Catyr

Oh, the tournament description still needs a wash fyi

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Actually I really like that and I think I'll use it.

Who are you and wtf have you done with Catyr

Oh, the tournament description still needs a wash fyi

I try and be nice for a change and this is what I get for my trouble...

Are you coming to the Warstore Weekend?

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Actually I really like that and I think I'll use it.

Who are you and wtf have you done with Catyr

Oh, the tournament description still needs a wash fyi

I try and be nice for a change and this is what I get for my trouble...

Are you coming to the Warstore Weekend?

I don't think so, I can't swing the price to get there and back.
Do you need models painted/assembled for the tournament?