Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

From the upcoming Kickstarter...........

Implacable, remorseless, fearless, and without mercy Orcs are feared far and wide. Rare in the North lands these vicious brutes are far cousins of Goblin kind from the dry arid highland Deserts of the southron lands west of the Aelf lands. Not much taller than a man but weighing easily as much as three large men Orcs are incredibly strong and tough. It is said that an Orc can survive a spear through it's gut long enough to kill ten men, or barely flinch as an arm is cleaved away. It is said they are unnatural, that they are more akin to trolls than to goblins bred in ancient times by mad wizards seeking to build an unstoppable army but that they threw down their lords and destroyed their kingdom.......... but whatever..... thank the Gods these monsters are as quick to war upon each other as they are men or dwarves or elves else the north lands would have been over run long ago.




This set will include 4 modular figures fitted for universally interchangeable legs, torsos, right handed options, left handed options, and heads. Included in the set will be 4 unique torsos, 2 sets of 2 unique legs ( 4 sets of legs total ) , 1 sprue of head options ( 4 unique heads ), 1 sprue of 4 right hand options ( 1 sword, 1 axe, 1 flail, 1 prosthetic weapon ), and 1 sprue of 4 left hand options ( 1 cleaver, 2 shields, 1 prosthetic weapon ) and 4 25 round mm bases.

Upon reaching the funding goal the Orc Footmen will be available as ranks selection.



Right now I am finishing a unit of 6 new Dvergr ( dwarf ) Modular footmen which will be fitted for universally interchangeable heads ( 6 options currently ) and right hand options ( 2 swords, 2 axes, 2 hammers ) . Their shields will integral parts of the figures.

I am also trying to decide whether or not to use the goblin footmen I have already sculpted or scrap those amke all new goblins. I want these to be genre defining and beign that the previously shown goblin footmen sculpts are a wee bti on the big side for RBG goblins AND more than a a year and half old ( sculpt wise ) I think I can do MUCH better.

Which also makes me want to totally rethink the goblin wolf riders as well.....

Anyway new Kickstarter launching probably tomorrow so I figured I would give the head's up. These figures will ALL be produced in Metal BTW.

Looking good! Really hope this stuff is gonna work out for you guys this time.

 tre manor wrote:
I am also trying to decide whether or not to use the goblin footmen I have already sculpted or scrap those amke all new goblins. I want these to be genre defining and beign that the previously shown goblin footmen sculpts are a wee bti on the big side for RBG goblins AND more than a a year and half old ( sculpt wise ) I think I can do MUCH better.

Ahh! Please cast a set of those so I can buy them! I only have the warp goblins and spearmen, I never got a set of the footmen. LMK if you'll sell me a set!

Well I am HOPING to make a new set of footmen.

exciting stuff

Looking forward to this, best of luck Tre! I for one can't wait to see more of your figures, awesome stuff!

Nothing from this KS will be "genre defining", Tre'. Our hobby and the fantasy genre has been around for a little bit of time at this point, and there's been a few rather large books, games, model producers and films (not to mention a couple thousand years worth of folklore) that took care of "genre defining" a long time ago.

Just make good figures. Put the existing footmen in, and if you make enough, perhaps you can sculpt some new ones as stretch goals, or for a future release.

As far as "too big" goes. I have male friends who are both 6'4" and 5'6". My mother used to be 5'1" before she shrink in her older age, so she's probably about 4'10" now. There's a pretty decent amount of normal height variation amongst members of the same species - and they're all the same scale.

Alright, interesting stuff!

EDIT: Having done a little more research, I rescind some of my earlier comments. I'm not actually getting the backer updates for reasons not worth getting into, but I just read them and feel caught up. I'm bummed trollcast didn't work out, though. I had contributed to this Kickstarter on behalf of my store, to start carrying Red Box products, but with the switch back to metal, I'm going to have to pass on continued involvement. Tre, if you want a retailer's input, metal minis don't sell to roleplayers (unless they were sculpted in the 80s), and they're honestly a pretty hard sell to wargamers too if you're trying to get them to play your game system. Your fantasy metal mini customer is likely one of the following:

1) a second edition D&D grognard, who more often than not likes his minis like he likes his rules: poorly designed and badly outdated.
2) a wargamer who is disenchanted by GW (easy to find), but hasn't found what he or she's looking for in Hordes or Malifaux (much harder to find) AND who views modeling as a secondary concern to gameplay (which is even harder to find, because let's face it: the people who are more into good rules than hobby potential left GW for one of the aforementioned years ago).

Reaper's making a hard dive into plastic because it outsells their metal 5:1, and hell, I don't even carry metal Reaper anymore except the Pathfinder-branded stuff. It just doesn't sell. Unless you continue with plastics, I worry you're just going to struggle to find your market, which is a shame because you're a phenomenal sculptor and clearly a deeply committed and passionate guy. I honestly contribute the success of your first Kickstarter in large part to your loudly switching to plastic at around the same time Reaper was already dragging thousands of roleplayers to Kickstarter looking for minis.

This is all just food for thought. I know you have a great base of deeply committed customers, and if this were a hobby for you, I'd stay quiet on this, but hearing that you're switching back to metal is setting off all the same alarms for me that would be sounding if someone told me they wanted to open a video rental place. Don't do it, Tre!!

This is the one I was waiting for from Red Box games. I'm totally on this.

Trollcast didn't quite work out for various reasons. Tre's models still look great in metal. I'd recommend emailing Tre again now, though pledges have been going out a lot more recently. It'll depend on what you have to see if yours has gone out. The last couple of KS email updates had more specific information that would probably be useful for you.

Sorry, that edit got away from me, and should have been its own post.

Sorry that I did not get back to you redcapscorner! I recognize your name though. Needless to say I have been getting a TON of email and messages over the past several months. Though that is CERTAINLY no excuse. Email em again I assure you that I will respond immediately.

As for the switch back to metal, Yep Azazel has it right. Trollcast just did not work out. I love the material and Ed is a hard worker but they just have too much on their plate and I cannot afford to wait any longer.

And yeh Az, I guess I do need to reel my ego in a bit here don't I?

Well rather than genre defining maybe the better idea is to make them the best figures that I can make. Which I don't feel that the current footmen are at all. I just don't feel like the current gobbos really fit the quality standard that I wan tto set for RBG.

Tre, you might want to consider leaving the goblins as the larger versions, and just making them elites, hobgoblins, or something like that. Red Box minis tend to be on the smaller scale for the industry as is due to non-heroic proportions, so this might increase crossover.

Have you got all of the sculpts ironed out from your first KS? I know they're running late on casting additional copies, but for some reason I thought some molds were still waiting to be cast. I ended up getting just about one of everything so am still in limbo on my pledge.

Its a shame you've had too give up on plastic resin Tre, despite all the problems i think the orcs would've been a big seller if the price was right. But since they're going to be metal im guessing that they will just cost too much for most people to be able to build decent sized units of them. (Im hoping that in the far future plastic resin orcs might be a possibility...)

I agree with Azazel and Bossk_Hogg about the Goblin footmen, you've already finished them and it just makes no sense tossing perfectly good sculpts away when you could still get some money from them.

Also will there be an exclusive model in the campaign this time round?

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Its a shame you've had too give up on plastic resin Tre, despite all the problems i think the orcs would've been a big seller if the price was right.

Certainly easier to assemble. Oof, not looking forward to pinning hands onto arms with my oven mitt paws...

ALL joins will be pre-pinned with heavy plug and sockets built on.

 tre manor wrote:

Well rather than genre defining maybe the better idea is to make them the best figures that I can make. Which I don't feel that the current footmen are at all. I just don't feel like the current gobbos really fit the quality standard that I wan tto set for RBG.

Sorry Tre' - I'm going to have to keep arguing with you here. From the pictures I've seen of the goblin footmen, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them, and more importantly, you have fans who keep posting that they really like them and want to purchase them. If they were gakky sculpts, then sure, shelve them. But look at it this way - even as a perfectionist, you're still going to be improving and reiterating. In a year's time, you might not like the sculpts that you're producing today.

Put them in as a rank option. - Let the backers/market decide. If people don't like them, they won't buy them. George Lucas didn't like his Original Star Wars films 25 years later, but a lot of people prefer the earlier, original works over the "remastered" ones.

Additionally, having more options and more sculpts gives you something that GW used to have in their metal models but no longer have with most of their current ranges - depth. Especially if you're setting up a skirmish game. Think back to when you were a collector and gamer before you became a sculptor - I'm sure you preferred the ranges with more choices of sculpt over those with fewer. Did you try to "collect 'em all"? I know I did with many of the GW ranges as I was growing up, and I still do much of the same today with figure ranges. That = sales, which is much-needed money in your pocket.

I agree. You're doing metal, and you have the old footmen molds, so offer them as a choice! I know I will pledge for them. then if you wanna sculpt more, do it - and I'll add those on too!

See, Tre'?

People aren't wanting to buy them because they're cheap figures to bulk out a unit - there's plenty of options for that sort of thing these days. And it's not like those options are bad sculpts these days, either - so people are making a conscious choice because they like and want your ones.

If you don't release them, you're leaving money on the table. Money that could be used for anything - even, say, setting up equipment for in-house casting. Think with your head, not your heart - but as I said, if people thought they were gak, they would not want them!

Woohoo, glad to see you're getting back in the game Tre. I don't know enough about the industry to say for sure whether I think the move to metal again is a good idea or not - I have both trollcast and metal figures and they're both really lovely so I will pledge for either.

On the Goblins, I'm excited by the idea of new goblins, but I really, really love the Goblin Spearmen and Goblin Footmen sculpts, as well as the Goblin archers. If it doesn't cost you money to keep them available, I would love a chance to purchase them, AND whatever new goblins you come up with. I would happily explain away scale discrepancies with "These are Hill Goblins, a more rugged and hearty breed than the scrawny Forest Goblins of the South."

Also, Dwarves, Orcs and Goblins are my three favourite factions, so, good call will start putting money aside.

Ok ok!! hah hah!

Alright I will just keep the old footmen for now with maybe a bit of a tweak. They are not yet molded so I can still modularize them. I think I can fit them in to the current scheme of things.

This KS is super straight forward. Each pledge level corresponds to ranks only. Heroes ( as there are going to be less of them ) are paid for additions to existing pledges. This was the best way I could think of to get this working. I am also offering items from the back catalogue as rewards as well.

I am almost ready to launch btu I have just a few thigns to finish up first.

Pledges for ranks only, with heroes as add-ons, is a great idea! Should simplify things a lot

I agree. Setting aside funds now!

Kickstarter is go!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1103158358/red-box-games-dwarves-and-goblins-and-orcs-oh-my

And I'm in

goblins, bonebacks, wraith knights and goblin footmen (when they unlock)

for now

I have to say, Tre, that looks great!

So many options, so much to pick from... *drool*

Wow, so much stuff!

Definitely want Goblins and Dwarves, probably want Orcs if/when they get done. But I also love the Aenglish, Norse and Halfblood heroes!

Need to think about what I want.

Tre, really like the layout on this one, it seems very clear and unambiguous. Hope this is a roaring success for you.

Pulled the trigger on $180

2 Ranks Goblin Footmen (16)
2 Ranks Runty Goblins (18)
1 Rank Bonebacks (8)
1 Rank Wolves (6)
1 Rank Dwarven Footmen (6)
1 Rank Byrnjar A (6)
1 Rank Byrnjar B (6)
1 Rank Ymirs Band (9)
with the possibility of adding 2 ranks of Orcs? (8)
If not, moar Goblins!
66 Models for 180 dollars. Not too shabby considering they're all metal. 'Course, it only makes sense to take advantage of the KS discount and pick up some heroes as well, which I've been meaning to do for ages now. This could get expensive

Edit: Woops! got my maths wrong. It's 83 models for 180, or 2.16 per miniature. That's some good value!

I've been looking forward to this for a while though I was hoping to see some of the goblin characters from the previous kickstarter included. I'd like to get in for some of the goblins but the rank selections don't seem to be that good value for money right now. On the RBG store the spearmen are $8.99 for 6 and the archers are $3.99 for 3, which is quite a way from the $25 to get them through the kickstarter. Hopefully this is someething that has just been missed and can be fixed.

Keep up the great work Tre!