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First I read Legion.

Then I read KNF

What's going on?


Thoughts?

My bet is...

Personally, I think the Cabal are just a bunch of lying old xenos races seeking to sabotage the rising star of Humanity (which they fear will supplant them) by preventing the Emperor and the Imperium from outright winning the Horus Heresy. After all, without their intervention, the Raven Guard could have rebuilt, and the Alpha Legion would be loyalist. That last might have actually prevented the disasters at Prospero (which forced the Thousand Sons - one of two legions feared by Horus - to side with Chaos), Istvaan, and maybe even Calth.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
My bet is...

Spoiler:

That Grammaticus, disgruntled at their former masters, has set up Ollanius Persson in order to disrupt the Cabal's plan. The Cabal has been for a Chaos victory all along - they believe Horus will unwillingly cause the extinction of mankind, causing only minimal damage to the Galaxy. The alternative as they have foreseen it is not an Imperial victory, though but a stalemate that would drag along for millenia, ending in a conflict of cataclysmic proportions that might destroy the weave of reality itself. They believed that, by turning the Alpha Legion, they'd be tipping the balance in Horus' favor, but obviously something went terribly wrong along the way.

This.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I think the Cabal are just a bunch of lying old xenos races seeking to sabotage the rising star of Humanity (which they fear will supplant them) by preventing the Emperor and the Imperium from outright winning the Horus Heresy. After all, without their intervention, the Raven Guard could have rebuilt, and the Alpha Legion would be loyalist. That last might have actually prevented the disasters at Prospero (which forced the Thousand Sons - one of two legions feared by Horus - to side with Chaos), Istvaan, and maybe even Calth.

Classic Imperial propaganda. The heresy is just a myth, this "cabal" is clearly a blasphemous concept and this "Alpha Legion"? Just Ultramarines. Move along, citizen.

 Ktulhut wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I think the Cabal are just a bunch of lying old xenos races seeking to sabotage the rising star of Humanity (which they fear will supplant them) by preventing the Emperor and the Imperium from outright winning the Horus Heresy. After all, without their intervention, the Raven Guard could have rebuilt, and the Alpha Legion would be loyalist. That last might have actually prevented the disasters at Prospero (which forced the Thousand Sons - one of two legions feared by Horus - to side with Chaos), Istvaan, and maybe even Calth.

Classic Imperial propaganda. The heresy is just a myth, this "cabal" is clearly a blasphemous concept and this "Alpha Legion"? Just Ultramarines. Move along, citizen.

Classic xenos misdirection/arrogance

The Cabal subplot is not my favorite part of the Heresy. The Cabal appear to be alien species that are in decline and I do not find it credible that Alpharius and Omegon would believe what they are shown by xenos, The twins do not even trust each other for crying out loud.

Portraying them as "really" loyal to the IoM stretches the story beyond the breaking point.

Yeah, I'm just not sure BL know where they're going with this yet. I also don't see the need. This whole 'perpetual' concept seems an addition that doesn't really add anything to the story.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I think the Cabal are just a bunch of lying old xenos races seeking to sabotage the rising star of Humanity (which they fear will supplant them) by preventing the Emperor and the Imperium from outright winning the Horus Heresy. After all, without their intervention, the Raven Guard could have rebuilt, and the Alpha Legion would be loyalist. That last might have actually prevented the disasters at Prospero (which forced the Thousand Sons - one of two legions feared by Horus - to side with Chaos), Istvaan, and maybe even Calth.

Yeah, That is what i think as well.

Horus feared the 1K Sons? Where is this to be found? I always wanted the 1K Sons to stay loyalist. They indeed would have proved the best at stopping choas deamons. But what was the other Legion he feared?

Oh, ya the Cabal. They just need to be thrown out into the void Alpha Legion style.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Horus feared the 1K Sons? Where is this to be found? I always wanted the 1K Sons to stay loyalist. They indeed would have proved the best at stopping choas deamons. But what was the other Legion he feared?

I can't remember which book it was, but Horus said he absolutely refused to face both or either the 'Emperor's Sorcerers' (the Thousand Sons) and the 'Emperor's Executioners' (the Space Wolves). Which is why I believe that both legions remaining loyal would probably have turned the tables completely in favor of the Imperium. Ironically enough, from what I've read in the novels, although Russ and Magnus were openly antagonistic and distrustful of one another, dialogue from the HH series implies that despite all that, the two actually cared for each other a great deal deep down.

Magnus and Russ fighting back to back would probably make Angron piss himself.