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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 03:41:46
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Y'know, I have nothing to say about the stupidity
http://family-room.ew.com/2013/05/15/brave-merida-makeover/
Put down your bows and arrows, Brave fans. After more than a week of concern over the changed appearance of our favorite animated redhead, a Disney rep tells EW that there’s no cause for alarm: Merida’s seemingly sexier image was only created for the heroine’s official induction into the Disney Princess Collection and was always planned to be phased out within a few months of the coronation.
When an image appeared online that showed a drastically altered Merida, it prompted a backlash among fans, including a petition on change.org. “This new Merida is a paler reflection of her former self without the spark and the ‘you go girl’ quality that her creator intended,” the petition reads, urging Disney to return to the Merida from the film.
Twelve days and over 200,000 virtual signatures later (including Cinderella Ate My Daughter author Peggy Ornstein and Snow White and the Huntsman actress Lily Cole) reports started to surface that the Disney Store had quietly taken down all banner images of the thinner, more glamorous Merida, and replaced them with the familiar freckled-face and wild-haired version that we got to know in the film. And petitioners were clear that they wanted it to remain that way.
Shelby Knox, a senior petitioner on the “Keep Merida Brave” campaign and a Sundance-winning filmmaker responsible for the 2005 documentary The Education of Shelby Knox wrote the following update Wednesday:
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Making changes to a website are easy & easily undone; the true test will be how Disney plans on depicting Merida on merchandise now that she is part of the official Disney Princess collection to know that Disney is truly committed to preserving the Merida we all know & love, we need to keep the pressure on until we receive an official statement from them promising to keep Merida brave!
Through all the hubbub, Disney Consumer Products has been fairly quiet but a source wanted to clarify that the image was actually never on the Disney Store site, despite reports to the contrary. It appeared on an invitation sent to bloggers for the coronation and on the Target site, they say. When the petition first started getting press, a Disney representative issued a vague statement to Yahoo! Shine that didn’t come close to addressing the concerns of the petitioners. It reads: ”Merida exemplifies what it means to be a Disney Princess through being brave, passionate, and confident and she remains the same strong and determined Merida from the movie whose inner qualities have inspired moms and daughters around the world.” Our source says that no other official comment on the matter is planned.
What do you all think? Was this grass roots at work or much ado about nothing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 04:26:42
Subject: Re:Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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How exactly is that stupid?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 04:47:12
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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If this is a lot of people complaining about nothing, then how does this compare to modeling for advantage and being a petty rules lawyer, aka half the threads on Dakka?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 05:24:07
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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The whole thing was "much ado about nothing"
She is a animated character. Both of those images represent her just fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 05:31:31
Subject: Re:Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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While I have no real comment on the merits of the argument on either side, I will say:
Merida’s seemingly sexier image was only created for the heroine’s official induction into the Disney Princess Collection and was always planned to be phased out within a few months of the coronation.
smells like CYA, after the fact, shenanigans. The corporate equivalent of, say, casually dropping a racial slur in conversation, having everyone gasp, and then awkwardly laughing and saying "hey guys I was just joking"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 08:12:47
Subject: Re:Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Ouze wrote:
Merida’s seemingly sexier image was only created for the heroine’s official induction into the Disney Princess Collection and was always planned to be phased out within a few months of the coronation.
smells like CYA, after the fact, shenanigans. The corporate equivalent of, say, casually dropping a racial slur in conversation, having everyone gasp, and then awkwardly laughing and saying "hey guys I was just joking"
Oh very much so, the Mouse is busily working to clean this mess up in a hurry.
I suppose I get where the complainers are coming from, taking what was presented as a strong female character and "sexing her up" as it were, obviously rubs a certain group of people the wrong way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 10:56:09
Subject: Re:Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Ouze wrote:While I have no real comment on the merits of the argument on either side, I will say:
Merida’s seemingly sexier image was only created for the heroine’s official induction into the Disney Princess Collection and was always planned to be phased out within a few months of the coronation.
smells like CYA, after the fact, shenanigans. The corporate equivalent of, say, casually dropping a racial slur in conversation, having everyone gasp, and then awkwardly laughing and saying "hey guys I was just joking"
Agreed completely with Ouze on this one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 11:23:43
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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DeathReaper wrote:The whole thing was "much ado about nothing"
She is a animated character. Both of those images represent her just fine.
That's the thing. It doesn't represent her well at all.
The entire character of Merida was about being able to go out and do stuff for yourself, rather than just sitting in a castle looking pretty and waiting for a prince to come marry you. Partway through the film she has a fancy dress put on her like the new version is wearing, and actively tears it apart because it restricts her movement. So an image of her wearing that sort of dress and smiling, having shown her disdain for that type of clothing in the film, doesn't "represent her just fine" it goes against almost everything the character was about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 11:40:39
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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The fact that it's just for the princess ceremony is actually what makes it bad.
It's basically saying that she couldn't be a princess as-is. She had to be sexed up slightly to qualify for princess status.
Meridia from the movie doesn't cleanly fit into the madonna/whore dichotomy, so they had to change her to be one of the two.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 07:36:10
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Goliath wrote: DeathReaper wrote:The whole thing was "much ado about nothing"
She is a animated character. Both of those images represent her just fine.
That's the thing. It doesn't represent her well at all.
The entire character of Merida was about being able to go out and do stuff for yourself, rather than just sitting in a castle looking pretty and waiting for a prince to come marry you.
Pretty girls can go out and do stuff for themselves as well...
Partway through the film she has a fancy dress put on her like the new version is wearing, and actively tears it apart because it restricts her movement. So an image of her wearing that sort of dress and smiling, having shown her disdain for that type of clothing in the film, doesn't "represent her just fine" it goes against almost everything the character was about.
It only does at that particular stage of the film, the representation can be a few years in the future as well. Images change, there was nothing wrong with the second pic and both images represent her just fine.
She is, after all, a cartoon character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 12:43:35
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Yes, because children never idolize or love cartoon characters.
From a friend of mine about the subject:
My kids absolutely LOVE this film. I was just reading this article on my laptop, and [my four year old daughter] peeked over at the comparison picture and asked why does the Brave princess look so different (totally unaware of this controversy). So I played along (out of curiosity) and asked so how are they different. She rolls her eyes and says it's obvious that the faces and dresses are not the same and asked why isn't the other version carrying her bow & arrow? That must be her older sister.So for those that argue what's the big deal, it's quite clear to me that some may pick up on subliminal queues, and images do play a role when raising for impressionable young girls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 12:48:19
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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The right image looks very derpy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 13:16:50
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Yeah, Disney is pretty fething stupid about this.
The kids I've spoken to said that Disney's thing is "fake" and "not the real Merida".
Not that I'm at all surprised to see some random nobody on the internet mocking people for caring about a fictional character (even as they spaz out about entirely different ones).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 13:34:30
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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I dont see a differance?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 13:53:08
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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The main difference is in the facial expression and body language; the one on the right looks as if she's undergoing hypnosis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 13:59:11
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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From first glance: Slimmer waist, bigger hips, no weapon, less wild hair, eyes and stance designed to be sultry and seductive, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 14:10:00
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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It isn't just stance, there are some mild, but distinct, physical differences.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 15:11:52
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Melissia wrote:Yeah, Disney is pretty fething stupid about this.
The kids I've spoken to said that Disney's thing is "fake" and "not the real Merida".
Not that I'm at all surprised to see some random nobody on the internet mocking people for caring about a fictional character (even as they spaz out about entirely different ones).
Huh? Im just saying it is complaining about a little change. He Dress is just more Glittery and has a meddalian on the way, She she is skinnier, but quite often that is a result of thet artist who drew it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 15:16:45
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Do you mean that the differences are insignificant and people are complaining about nothing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 15:17:32
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Yes, IMO they are insignificant, They are so small and they do not change who she is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 15:21:34
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Apparently the creative director behind her disagrees with that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 15:23:14
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What?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 17:12:03
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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http://www.themarysue.com/merida-disney-redesign-brenda-chapman/
“I think it is atrocious!!!… Since I am no longer with the company, I’m sure they could care less what I think on the matter. But they have betrayed the essence of what we were trying to do with Merida—give young girls and women a better stronger role model. She’s strong inside and out—she’s not just a simpering pretty face waiting around for romance! She was created to turn that whole ideal on it’s [sic] head! Oh yeah… that’s why I created her… they’re just in it for the money… not the integrity. They don’t care what message they send about women, as long as it makes them a buck.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 17:16:35
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While I agree the left image is much easier to fap to, that's the entire point. Merida has become a "you don't need to be pretty" princess. That is important to a lot of people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 17:54:09
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Tbh, I couldn't imagine fapping to the image of a..12? year old girl regardless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 18:22:48
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But the appearence doesnt change how she acted in the movie or what she did(I saw half of it)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 19:34:23
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hotsauceman1 wrote:But the appearence doesnt change how she acted in the movie or what she did(I saw half of it)
Suddenly you live in a world where appearances no longer matter? Perhaps if you saw the entire film you would also know she tried to rip the dress up that Disney shoved her in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 19:53:26
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The Disney press release is clearly CYA after the fact spin.
Rented Tritium wrote:The fact that it's just for the princess ceremony is actually what makes it bad.
It's basically saying that she couldn't be a princess as-is. She had to be sexed up slightly to qualify for princess status.
Meridia from the movie doesn't cleanly fit into the madonna/whore dichotomy, so they had to change her to be one of the two.
I don't know that I'd say it's so much about sex, but I agree completely that it's a betrayal of the character. Giving her makeup, a more hourglass figure, a fancy dress, shampoo-commercial hair, AND taking away her signature weapon add up to throwing away all the character's personality in favor of a banal parody; shoving her into the Generic Princess #456 mold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 22:30:25
Subject: Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Mannahnin wrote:
I don't know that I'd say it's so much about sex, but I agree completely that it's a betrayal of the character. Giving her makeup, a more hourglass figure, a fancy dress, shampoo-commercial hair, AND taking away her signature weapon add up to throwing away all the character's personality in favor of a banal parody; shoving her into the Generic Princess #456 mold.
She had a pronounced hourglass figure in the movie as well, and the belt her quiver was attached to clearly accentuated her hips.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 22:42:42
Subject: Re:Keep Merida Brave AKA, people complain about nothing
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Was this change necessary in order to shoehorn the character in with the Disney princesses? Yes, absolutely.
Is the entire idea behind the Disney princesses an outdated concept drawn from a 1950s-era patriarchal establishment? Yes, absolutely.
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