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Bit confused about these rules so wanna clear it up

So A Tervigon can be a troop choice in an army with a termagant brood - ok - But can I still call it HQ if I want to?

On the same token

In an Army that contains Logan Grimnar, Wolf Guard are counted as troops - But can I still call them Elite choices if I want to ?

It's all in the wording.
If the Codex says "can be taken" then it's optional.
If its says the simply "count as troops" then it's not optional. They are troops.

 grendel083 wrote:
It's all in the wording.
If the Codex says "can be taken" then it's optional.
If its says the simply "count as troops" then it's not optional. They are troops.

Thought as much just wanted to confirm

So, YAY! on the Tervigon, MEH! on the Wolf Guard then

 Xiorell wrote:
Bit confused about these rules so wanna clear it up

So A Tervigon can be a troop choice in an army with a termagant brood - ok - But can I still call it HQ if I want to?

On the same token

In an Army that contains Logan Grimnar, Wolf Guard are counted as troops - But can I still call them Elite choices if I want to ?

Tervigons "may" be taken as Troops. So you can have a Termagant brood in the army, and still have an HQ tervigon.

I don't know about Logan as I don't know how his rules are worded.

Baktru wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:
Bit confused about these rules so wanna clear it up

So A Tervigon can be a troop choice in an army with a termagant brood - ok - But can I still call it HQ if I want to?

On the same token

In an Army that contains Logan Grimnar, Wolf Guard are counted as troops - But can I still call them Elite choices if I want to ?

Tervigons "may" be taken as Troops. So you can have a Termagant brood in the army, and still have an HQ tervigon.

I don't know about Logan as I don't know how his rules are worded.

Which is what allows for the molasses play 5 trevigon armies.

I can tell you this though, if you're outflanking, coming in from reserve for the Momma... she can NOT spawn that turn... because she was off the board at the beginning of the movement phase.

Remember that.

 disel24 wrote:
I can tell you this though, if you're outflanking, coming in from reserve for the Momma... she can NOT spawn that turn... because she was off the board at the beginning of the movement phase.

Remember that.

I'm not sure that's in fact true, as I believe that spawning has to happen before the tervigon moves rather than at the start of the movement phase.

Yes, however disel24 is correct. Since the Tervigon begins off the board during an outflanking move and spawning has to happen before the Tervigon moves that Tervigon cannot spawn the turn it arrives...

 grrrfranky wrote:

 disel24 wrote:
I can tell you this though, if you're outflanking, coming in from reserve for the Momma... she can NOT spawn that turn... because she was off the board at the beginning of the movement phase.

Remember that.

I'm not sure that's in fact true, as I believe that spawning has to happen before the tervigon moves rather than at the start of the movement phase.

Sure - it spawns before it moves.
Before it moves it's not on the table. Spawn now. Oops, the gants all disappear because they can't be placed.
Now the Tervigon moves on.

rigeld2 wrote:

Sure - it spawns before it moves.
Before it moves it's not on the table. Spawn now. Oops, the gants all disappear because they can't be placed.
Now the Tervigon moves on.

And this is where the "shadow in the warp" was created...

rigeld2 wrote:

 grrrfranky wrote:

 disel24 wrote:
I can tell you this though, if you're outflanking, coming in from reserve for the Momma... she can NOT spawn that turn... because she was off the board at the beginning of the movement phase.

Remember that.

I'm not sure that's in fact true, as I believe that spawning has to happen before the tervigon moves rather than at the start of the movement phase.

Sure - it spawns before it moves.
Before it moves it's not on the table. Spawn now. Oops, the gants all disappear because they can't be placed.
Now the Tervigon moves on.

True indeed. That's what I get for only reading part of the question.

The Tervigons say "may be taken as" where as the Wolf Guard say "are counted as", so I would think that means that any Wolf Guard taken are considered to be Troops, and cannot be taken as Elites then. If the Tervigon said that it "is counted as Troops" then any Tervigon taken in the army would be considered a Troop choice, and could therefore not be taken as HQ.