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 Kanluwen wrote:


I know you get off on trolling the console gamers; but I'm starting to think you have a problem reading as well.

What PC games are there which allow you to play splitscreen on the same machine and the same account?

Dungeon Defenders

Trine 2 (technically not a splitscreen game)

Rock of the Ages

Here is some list that took me 15 secs to google.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2306583

Also unreal engine supports splitscreen so any game that uses it can be modded with splitscreen (like unreal tournament 3).

We're kind of getting off topic.

Also, I'm not ever going to move my PC into my living room(or build a living room PC anytime soon), and I really don't care what games are splitscreen on it. I will play PC games at my desk, like I have for the last 20+ years.

I don't know but I bet US sales of Madden are 10 times the Euro sales

Honestly I don't even think we'd need to look it up. We can all rest with near absolute certainly that the Madden games probably sell next to nothing in Europe compared to the US market. So yeah.

They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

360 controller is best, PS controllers are gross. imo :p

 LordofHats wrote:

I don't know but I bet US sales of Madden are 10 times the Euro sales

Honestly I don't even think we'd need to look it up. We can all rest with near absolute certainly that the Madden games probably sell next to nothing in Europe compared to the US market. So yeah.

Same goes with FIFA having higher European sales than US, one would think.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

360 controller is best, PS controllers are gross. imo :p

I agree. The PS controller has always hurt my hands and/or felt uncomfortable, ever since the first one.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

360 controller is best, PS controllers are gross. imo :p

I completely agree. Their controller is a big factor in my (current) preference of the Xbox. Much better to use and feels significantly more solid, also.

While I do prefer the Xbox controller, the D-Pad is really awful =(

 Von Skyfury wrote:
While I do prefer the Xbox controller, the D-Pad is really awful =(

It really is quite awful. The new one looks more solid at least.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

360 controller is best, PS controllers are gross. imo :p

Agreed. The PS controller is terrible. Always has been always will be. Thems the rulz of conzolez.

Aye I meant console exclusive, I already own Diablo 3 on the PC. I just want the ability to kick back and play on the sofa, but more importantly the advantage of split screen play with my boys, and or Aura.

I'd buy the PS4 just for that, with the side bonus of finally getting to play Disgaea again, and being protected by any odd Koei shenanigans regarding Dynasty Warriors on the coming generation.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Aye I meant console exclusive, I already own Diablo 3 on the PC. I just want the ability to kick back and play on the sofa, but more importantly the advantage of split screen play with my boys, and or Aura.

I'd buy the PS4 just for that, with the side bonus of finally getting to play Disgaea again, and being protected by any odd Koei shenanigans regarding Dynasty Warriors on the coming generation.

To quickly go OT to reply to MDS, Diablo 3 Playstation sounds pretty cool, they've mapped a brand new dodge to the right stick, changed the enemy behaviour and changed the way the loot system works. It plays at a far faster pace and removes alot of the tedious by the numbers stuff.

I don't think i'll regret picking PS4, the multimedia stuff doesn't interest me, i am a little old fashioned when it comes to movies and social media.Tbh i've only really been using the xbox for playing singleplayer games in the last couple years. Also If i'm honest Sony is just a little more creative i think they'll have the games worth playing in the coming years and fwiw the next Elder scrolls and GTA will be on both anyway.

It plays at a far faster pace and removes alot of the tedious by the numbers stuff.

It's Diablo 3. How could they possibly dumb it down anymore XD

 LordofHats wrote:

It plays at a far faster pace and removes alot of the tedious by the numbers stuff.

It's Diablo 3. How could they possibly dumb it down anymore XD

Anything that makes the game more like a sooped up Gauntlet is fine with me.

I think the 54% failure rate on the 360 has pretty much lost me as a Microsoft hardware customer forever regardless of the strengths or shortcomings of the console.

I have to agree with everyone that was dissatisfied with the reveal. A whole whack of multimedia and social networking features that I absolutely do not care about doesn't do a whole lot to excite me. The 15 exclusive titles is nice, but a lot of people have remarked in this thread rightly that exclusives don't push systems anymore. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've had more fun on multiplats this gen than I have on exclusive titles.

Due to my abhorrence of the PS controller, I'll probably be sticking with the X-Box.

 Ouze wrote:
I think the 54% failure rate on the 360 has pretty much lost me as a Microsoft hardware customer forever regardless of the strengths or shortcomings of the console.

I'm on my 7th and final 360... luckily all the repairs have only cost me $200 total due to extended warranties that renewed with each xbox repair except for the last.

Watched part of the release and was largely unimpressed. I'm particularly disappointed with the backwards compatibility and the always on internet connect/mandatory Kinect. I've amassed quite a collection of XBox games from old and new consoles, almost all of which work fine on my current 360. Also, my job has me moving around quite a bit, and I often spend quite a bit of time without internet, which would make the new XBox unplayable.

This release has convinced not to buy it, and divert my funds into building a far better PC.

I am sad though, I still remember the first XBox and the countless hours I spent on a myriad of outstanding games. Shame really, a lot of potential seemed to be wasted in favour of enhancing my TV watching experience.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
While I do prefer the Xbox controller, the D-Pad is really awful =(

It really is quite awful. The new one looks more solid at least.

Yea, I used to be a PS3 owner and have to say, I very much prefer the 360 controller. It has some flaws of course, but I can mostly over look them. The PS3 controller always felt skinny and kindda wonky in my hands. Although it did take me awhile to get used to the crooked joysticks.

 KingCracker wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
While I do prefer the Xbox controller, the D-Pad is really awful =(

It really is quite awful. The new one looks more solid at least.

Yea, I used to be a PS3 owner and have to say, I very much prefer the 360 controller. It has some flaws of course, but I can mostly over look them. The PS3 controller always felt skinny and kindda wonky in my hands. Although it did take me awhile to get used to the crooked joysticks.

Its those damn meaty ork paws of yours that are the problem!

Always on DRM(checking in every 24 hours is always on to me)

WILL NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT KINECT

Kinect is sold with the console, no buying it without (as if this is an option with it being required)

But don't worry guys, your gamerscore totally transfers over!


God this makes the Wii U look like a fething marvel of technology by comparison.

I'm sad to say this, but I'm already just about convinced I won't be buying one of these. And I've been a diehard Xbox fan since most of my friends left it behind long ago.

Microsoft is going to have to change some of these things if their going to get me to spend the cash on it.

For some reason the american Market has always far prefered bigger controllers. Whereas Europe and japan prefer smaller more elegant ones.

The xbox sticks are better for Shooters definitely. Driving games and sports work far better on the Playsation though, well basically anything that requires tighter control, i.e smaller movements. Platformers and fixed camera games for example. The placement of the xbox sticks means it feels far more natural to do sweeping movements of the camera or crosshair as the case may be, like a mouse.

However a game like god of war where one stick is move and the other is dodge would be a nightmare on the xbox remote.

I also prefer the 'Hunkered down' placement of one's hands on the dualshock, gives you more access to all of the buttons. Often on the 360 pressing Y or the bumpers doesn't feel as instinctive to me, don't get me started on the D-pad placement, might as well pause the game!

My problem with the Playstation controller is the nasty face buttons. The various PSPs have had lovely face buttons so maybe they'll finally have good ones on the PS4.

The problem with the 'acceleration' on Playstation controllers is a whole different matter though.

 LordofHats wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They're on their 3rd console and they still haven't got the sticks in the right places...

360 controller is best, PS controllers are gross. imo :p

Agreed. The PS controller is terrible. Always has been always will be. Thems the rulz of conzolez.

It was a fething amazing controller compared to it's competitor the N64.

I remain convinced the N64 controller isn't designed for humans.

I know you're not insulting the Fighting W

 Ouze wrote:
I think the 54% failure rate on the 360 has pretty much lost me as a Microsoft hardware customer forever regardless of the strengths or shortcomings of the console.

I must be lucky I've never gotten the "red ring of death" that being said the power button doesn't respond as well as it used to.

No Red ring here either. And I have a launch 360. There was an article awhile back saying that less than 100 launch 360's still functioned. It made me giddy

I've had on Rrod and a general failure of the machine, just wouldn't turn on. However I felt the power pack exchange and then the extended warranty on any machine that had a Rrod went a long way in repairing that rift.

Had they done nothing I would have had a much larger issue with them.

Just waiting for E3 now, launch line up will tell me if I am having one on launch day or not.