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Who cares about EA? All they've got is Battlefield 4. And Battlefield 4 doesn't have DOGS.

Battlefield 4 is gonna be a big draw. I know Grey_Death is planning on getting an Xbox One at launch just for BF4, and I'm following suit so the Javelin shenanigans can continue.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Developers and publishers do not really "make their money back" on simply DLC purchases from people who buy used games. If it's not critical DLC (like EA's online passes for multiplayer on popular games), there's no guarantee people will buy it.

That's ignoring what it actually takes to get DLC made ready for release; which is around $2000 USD for first round certification, and $2000 each time that it has to go through certification if something was royally boned. That's ignoring the time of the developers and the time needed for a release slot, etc.

I do not disagree. My point is that the money they earn with DLC is more than what they'd get out of your average 2nd hand customer that is now forced to pay retail for a game: 0$.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Battlefield 4 is gonna be a big draw. I know Grey_Death is planning on getting an Xbox One at launch just for BF4.

PC?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Developers and publishers do not really "make their money back" on simply DLC purchases from people who buy used games. If it's not critical DLC (like EA's online passes for multiplayer on popular games), there's no guarantee people will buy it.

That's ignoring what it actually takes to get DLC made ready for release; which is around $2000 USD for first round certification, and $2000 each time that it has to go through certification if something was royally boned. That's ignoring the time of the developers and the time needed for a release slot, etc.

I do not disagree. My point is that the money they earn with DLC is more than what they'd get out of your average 2nd hand customer that is now forced to pay retail for a game: 0$.

Truth be told; they don't get money out of your average 2nd hand customer anyways. Your "average second hand customer" comes into a shop with a stack of used games and relies upon store credit for their purchases.

At least that's how it is here in the US when you look at GameStop.

The logic that publishers have used to attack the second hand market is pretty bad and in many ways in ignorance of consumer psychology.

That said, this move is likely to drum up some new sales, at least at first. The increasing animosity held by the typical game consumer against the mega publishers has been growing for years. This will likely increase it further.

 LordofHats wrote:
The logic that publishers have used to attack the second hand market is pretty bad and in many ways in ignorance of consumer psychology.

That said, this move is likely to drum up some new sales, at least at first. The increasing animosity held by the typical game consumer against the mega publishers has been growing for years. This will likely increase it further.

It would be increased anyways, IMO, unless more things like BF4's "China Rising"/BF3's "Back to Karkand" get done.
The idea of getting the first DLC package "free" is a big draw for purchasing new.

Right on that front.

As for Battlefield on PC. BF3 kind of screwed the pooch on that one. No one wants to run a $60 game out of a web browser. That's F2P territory. For an upfront charge people expect something more. EA has actually been screwing the pooch for FPS games on PC for awhile now even though the market is pretty wide open given the loathing held for the other mainstream shooter (CoD) on the platform. Not everyone is a fan of buying Counter Strike a forth time.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Battlefield 4 is gonna be a big draw. I know Grey_Death is planning on getting an Xbox One at launch just for BF4, and I'm following suit so the Javelin shenanigans can continue.

BF4 is neither:

1. Television.
2. Sports.
3. Dogs.

... therefore it is inferior to everything.

 Perkustin wrote:
Did anyone else notice how much of a sneaky maneuver EA pulled.

'yeah we're scrapping Online passes................'
[A low murmur of grateful voices, a couple of claps]

The consumer pressure lessens on EA. People start to hope.

May 21:

''Cos microsoft have thought of an even better money grubbing insult to the customers! HAHA EA wins again!''

I suspect it's because people realize something you apparently missed... namely that they're trading a $10 online pass for $1-500 microtransactions in most every game. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their dear little corporate hearts but simply because they've found the godzilla of cash cows.

Why so much hate in this thread? I didn't see enough details to be upset about anything very much... if anything, it's pretty exciting that it will release this year?

We are gamers on the internet. We are born to hate

 RiTides wrote:
Why so much hate in this thread? I didn't see enough details to be upset about anything very much... if anything, it's pretty exciting that it will release this year?

You should see some other forums I visit, haha.

Looking forward to E3 and seeing all the new games for XBONE.

Funnily Microsoft has banned all media sources from calling the X Box One anything other than X Box One. No X Bone, no One, no Bone, nothing. You say the full name or you keep your mouth shut

 RiTides wrote:
Why so much hate in this thread? I didn't see enough details to be upset about anything very much... if anything, it's pretty exciting that it will release this year?

No hate for me but rather disappointment. I buy trade half my newly bought games in and buy others used; this console specifically is programmed to penalize that. I have (despite trading in games) at least a dozen 360 games that I'd still like to play on occasion (as I did with original xbox titles on my 360) on the next console. I jumped in early on this console generation in part because I traded in my old 360 and peripherals to offset the cost of the new one; that can't happen this time around. The excuse of it being different architecture is bollocks to borrow a british phrase as fans build emulators for systems with completely different architectures in their spare time let alone what one of the largest tech companies is capable of. Sony did it and so did microsoft in the current generation so it's obviously possible with software emulation. It may be more profitable in their minds to simply not spend the R&D costs and rather rerelease those same games as downloadable games for additional cost but that certainly isn't a consumer friendly choice. I also find it very big brother to know that the kinect system is always on and watching and listening; considering microsoft can't keep their flagship OS free of viruses, I have no doubt someone out there somewhere in Russia or China (damn communists!) will develop a virus allows remote control of that function. I don't need nor want a $400 voice activated TV remote at the cost of the features above.

 LordofHats wrote:
Funnily Microsoft has banned all media sources from calling the X Box One anything other than X Box One. No X Bone, no One, no Bone, nothing. You say the full name or you keep your mouth shut

Pretty sure that's illegal in a lot of countries...isn't it? You can't just tell journalists what to write :/

It's not all hate. I'll defo be buying one of those controllers, possibly on day 1. Assuming it works with windows like the 360.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Funnily Microsoft has banned all media sources from calling the X Box One anything other than X Box One. No X Bone, no One, no Bone, nothing. You say the full name or you keep your mouth shut

Pretty sure that's illegal in a lot of countries...isn't it? You can't just tell journalists what to write :/

Of course you can tell journalists what to write, they're just under no obligation to listen to you.
Of course, if you start holding out details to journalists who don't follow your instructions, giving out exclusive interviews to the competition etc. you create some significant incentive for them to write what you want them to.

They can't. I believe he's referring to and embelishing the internal memo that go posted a few days ago with the premiere that instructed people in business with or working for microsoft.

http://kotaku.com/here-are-the-rules-for-what-you-can-and-cant-call-th-509427278

Well, they're contractually obliged to shovel whatever manure M$ throws their way, and to do it with a smile while telling the world we're privileged to be on the receiving end.

Thanks for the replies, guys... personally, I'm kind of excited, though. If it's around $400, it'll probably be a no-brainer for me... I've gotten a ton of mileage out of my Xbox 360, and Xbox before that.

 Sigvatr wrote:
So, I just watched the livestream with commentary by videogamesawesome.com and boy...seriously. SERIOUSLY? Microsoft is a bunch of self-loving morons. Actually, that is not meant as an insult, but I think they are returded as in suffering from a mental returdation, seeing they consider watching TV *challenging*. That would also explain some of the completely stupid decisions they made and would also explain the reeeeeeeeally bad design the XBox Done got, making it look like two pieces of plastic glued together by a blind monkey with one arm.

Man, I used to like the Xbox 360 but Microsoft really decided to completely poop on their new release and smear their feces over their user's faces.

Glorious PC master race, represent!

Xbox Done.... I like it!

 RiTides wrote:
Why so much hate in this thread? I didn't see enough details to be upset about anything very much... if anything, it's pretty exciting that it will release this year?

It's kinda sad that you immediately assume that all criticism is nothing but "hate". Personally I have no hate. It's more laughter. I'm enjoying how terrible this is.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Why so much hate in this thread? I didn't see enough details to be upset about anything very much... if anything, it's pretty exciting that it will release this year?

It's kinda sad that you immediately assume that all criticism is nothing but "hate". Personally I have no hate. It's more laughter. I'm enjoying how terrible this is.

You might have constructive criticisms; but there are a few well-known PC trolls who do nothing but post in console threads trying to stir the pot while claiming that "the console fanboys" do so.

In all fairness Steve the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative thus far. As I said earlier, it could all turn around in a blink at E3 if they show the games we are all hoping for, but for now, Dakka is merely a reflection of what is going on everywhere...

I should have said "Why all the hate Everywhere?" Hadn't read enough to know why, but I knew it wasn't just Dakka. Anyway, I'm still excited for a new console... whether it's a PS4 or Xbox One

They have Acheivements for watching TV on the Xbone.....

 MajorTom11 wrote:
In all fairness Steve the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative thus far. As I said earlier, it could all turn around in a blink at E3 if they show the games we are all hoping for, but for now, Dakka is merely a reflection of what is going on everywhere...

Overwhelmingly negative from core gamers that post on forums.

Every casual gamer I know, especially the ones that like sports, love it.

Its hit one of those top gift/want things on Amazon already.

Mr. and Mrs. Little Timmy won't like it much when their kids new X-Box suddenly stops working after 24 hours 'cause they haven't checked in with the Microsoft Central Server.

That, and imagine the day the Gamestop employees are going to have when every parent brings back their Used Games because they don't work XD

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr. and Mrs. Little Timmy won't like it much when their kids new X-Box suddenly stops working after 24 hours 'cause they haven't checked in with the Microsoft Central Server.

We don't have all the details in regard to this yet; but I would not be surprised at all if it has an option to "check in" while the console is off.

You can already queue up downloads from Xbox.com for your Xbox while it is off.