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 LordofHats wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

Some of us don't have a mountain of wall jacks. This will probably kill any hope for the XBone outside of the US and Europe as well as most third world countries don't have the internet reliability to maintain this (Microsoft might not care because they've never done well in those markets anyway and that's arguably why Sony isn't doing it because they do very well in those markets).

There's also the issue of having the ability to play a game if the internet is taken out randomly in the middle of the day by no fault of ones own (glares at Comcast). And frankly some people don't like a corporation dictating to them the terms under which they may use a product they paid for. Most people practically, are unlikely to have an issue with always online. That doesn't mean they like the idea (nor does it make the idea right).

Wireless?

Apparently the 24 hour check-in is still 'under consideration', and imo it is far too often, not necessarily for me, but I can see plenty of people having issues with it. I'm not sure what the check-in is for Steam, but I think its only when you start up the game.


I can't wait to perform for the kinect. (not to mention in its powered down state, its literally only listening for the words 'xbox on')

Wireless?

Some of us don't like spending money frivolously. Even if its a small amount (and wireless is a security nightmare for those of us paranoid about network security).

Yeah. Steam only has a first time install check.

Though I would like to address:

Just because something has been done to PC games for years doesn't mean it's acceptable. I and many other PC gamers are genuinely frustrated with the way we get treated on the platform. I like Steam. Love it even. But that doesn't mean we should have to put up with some of the crap we've been handed and that doesn't make it right. A lot of people reply to 'always online' XBone with "So what? PC has the same thing." PC also has a very angry consumer base that has been treated like crap for a very long time. Some people care a lot about it, some people don't. Just because it's become 'standard' and just because some people are willing to live with it doesn't make it okay.

It's like being treated like a child. "You may use our product, but only where we can see you." The entire concept of 'Always Online' is based in the predetermined notion that the consumer will do something nefarious if the producer isn't watching them to make sure they don't. It is insulting.

Well how else will they determine if your legally bought copy of a game suddenly turns into an illegal one if they don't check every 24hrs?

Plus, you don't use wireless for online gaming, not if you care at all about ping/lag.

It's true enough that for virtually every item in my house with the capability, "online" and "on" are interchangeable, but most of them aren't conducting constant multiplayer matchmaking in the background on the off chance that I might want to play, I can control what and how they connect and what they download. I pay for unlimited download, but I still have a godawful fair use policy shoved down my throat and my speed is throttled during peak times, like when I might want to use it. Frankly, any constant checking is an invasion of privacy too far for me, if the PS4 implements something similar, I may just skip this generation entirely (and emulate it in 12 months when my PC can laugh at the system requirements to do so).

The Infinite wrote:


Plus, you don't use wireless for online gaming, not if you care at all about ping/lag.

My xbox has been running wireless since I got it, I have no complaints.

 LordofHats wrote:


It's like being treated like a child. "You may use our product, but only where we can see you." The entire concept of 'Always Online' is based in the predetermined notion that the consumer will do something nefarious if the producer isn't watching them to make sure they don't. It is insulting.

I see it more of a convenience thing, but I guess it can be construed that way as well.

I just want to be able to use my Xbox if I was working at a summer camp or my internet went out for a few days.

Always checking in every 24 hrs would make that impossible. Also, what about all the soldiers overseas who play games on their days off? The Xbox done would be nothing more than a fancy paperweight to them.

And that's ignoring our foreign friends entirely.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Wireless?

Not every country is America or South Korea. Not every country has reliable Internet connections, let alone reliable wireless Internet connections.

My PS3 is connected to my router via 6 foot Ethernet cable I trail across my entire living room because the router sits on one side of the room and the PS3 sits (naturally) near my TV. I unplug it when I don't intend to use the Internet connection, and I should never need to plug it in to play single-player games.

I have to agree with HBMC. Hell, even Steam is better than that.

 LordofHats wrote:
Not that I think Microsoft gives a crap about 'watching' people. I doubt that's gonna happen.

I would not be at all surprised if they start taking headcounts while you're watching TV, to sell to advertisers.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

I just don't see the big deal.

Also, according to MS like 5% of users actually 'use' backwards compatibility. I know I barely played any xbox games on my 360 once it came out. Same with Nintendos of old. I'll just keep my 360 out on my tv stand for a while...

It bugs me how everyone seems to assumes that high speed internet is available everywhere.

Well its two weeks Tuesday till I'll be able to judge whether I'll be getting one or the other, or both on launch day. E3 is going to be the biggest event in years.

Can't wait tbh.

nomotog wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

I just don't see the big deal.

Also, according to MS like 5% of users actually 'use' backwards compatibility. I know I barely played any xbox games on my 360 once it came out. Same with Nintendos of old. I'll just keep my 360 out on my tv stand for a while...

It bugs me how everyone seems to assumes that high speed internet is available everywhere.

This, Until very recently I couldn't do anything that required heavy internet. Hell first time I installed Steam I had to leave the computer on for three days straight. Not all internet is crystal clear.

"Always on" would get on my nerves in this regard because even my 360 has trouble staying connected for over an hour and a half sometimes. I absolutely hate System updates. They're a whole day affair to deal with

We have a similar thing here.. best download speed I get is between 30 and 50 Kbps.. but I just leave it on and go do some modelling or painting. Its annoying but I know that's where I am at the moment.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
We have a similar thing here.. best download speed I get is between 30 and 50 Kbps.. but I just leave it on and go do some modelling or painting. Its annoying but I know that's where I am at the moment.

Yeah I do that too, but mine has an annoying tendency to drop the connection entirely. Its hard to split my mind between painting and babysitting a computer...

 SilverMK2 wrote:
The console itself looks kinda pants. The original 360 has some nice lines and an interesting design, this one is just dull.

Couldn't agree any more.. It's just an oblong :l

To me, backwards compatibility is massively important, on every console I use. I admit that I've never owned an Xbox, and may not fit their target demographic, but I use backwards compatibility on my Nintendo handhelds almost more than I use the new games, and I do likewise on the one static console I own.

Always online? Riiight Microsoft, nice try.

Not everyone in the US has constant connection. I can only use so much data. I can't even download most of my steam updates because of large file sizes.

Even places where high speed Internet is available there's still usually old people there like my Dad. He doesn't know nothing about no interwebz and he don't want to know. I don't think he's going to buy the fact you need an Internet connection to play a game by yourself. All he knows is the Xbox is a magical mystery box that let's him play thousands of hours of Oblivion and Skyrim. It's not for fancy new fangled internetting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Wireless?

Not every country is America or South Korea. Not every country has reliable Internet connections, let alone reliable wireless Internet connections.

My PS3 is connected to my router via 6 foot Ethernet cable I trail across my entire living room because the router sits on one side of the room and the PS3 sits (naturally) near my TV. I unplug it when I don't intend to use the Internet connection, and I should never need to plug it in to play single-player games.

The wireless I was only referring to was local, as in connecting to my wireless router, that then connects to the wall-jack. I only pointed that out because LordofHats pointed out needing a mountain of wall-jacks.

However, all of my devices are connected to the internet through said wireless router. Always on shouldn't be a necessity, it would be better as a feature you can decide to use. The check-in seems particularly draconian, and I hope it changes.

 LordofHats wrote:
No Red ring here either. And I have a launch 360. There was an article awhile back saying that less than 100 launch 360's still functioned. It made me giddy

Im sure thats a bit of a stretch TBH. The Giant has a launch 360 and it runs just fine as well. But Im sure that number is pretty damn small, because I had a launch 360 and it RROD in under a month. Thats when I swapped to PS3 for so many years. Sometimes I honestly regret going 360

I love my 360. Good times. Gooooood times. Definitely a huge margin or error somewhere in the hardware though for the first few runs.

Does it seem that we even need a new generation, because I don't think we need it.

The Xbox One represents the current corporate shenanigans of the current set of systems up to eleven.

Now, let me go back to playing on my PC.

 DoctorZombie wrote:
Does it seem that we even need a new generation, because I don't think we need it.

That's like asking why would a PC ever need a new graphics card. The answer is that no one really needs it but publishers and developers want to make bigger fancier games and that means they need bigger fancier hardware.

And of course, everyone likes having a new toy to tout about to their friends

 DoctorZombie wrote:
Does it seem that we even need a new generation, because I don't think we need it.

Definitely, that hardware is ancient now. I'm really astonished on how good things can look on it as it is, because it really shouldn't even be possible.

 DoctorZombie wrote:
The Xbox One represents the current corporate shenanigans of the current set of systems up to eleven.

That's an interesting point. The XBone does seem to be the end result of people attempting to make a device that controls how we use it, rather than giving us a device that we interface with at our own speed.

XBone requires you to "check in" to a server, even when you don't want to be online, and has a device that is constantly watching you.
PS4 has a 'share' button that you can completely ignore if you want to.

I know which I prefer...

I'll still likely want the Xbox for the larger multiplayer community / better multiplayer setup. I'm fine paying for Live, just like I do now, to get that...

 Sigvatr wrote:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a484596/microsoft-predicts-1-billion-xbox-one-sales.html

Hahaha oh dear god, hahahaha XD

Delusions of Granduer?

Aahahahahahaha!!!

Gold!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 DoctorZombie wrote:
The Xbox One represents the current corporate shenanigans of the current set of systems up to eleven.

That's an interesting point. The XBone does seem to be the end result of people attempting to make a device that controls how we use it, rather than giving us a device that we interface with at our own speed.

XBone requires you to "check in" to a server, even when you don't want to be online, and has a device that is constantly watching you.
PS4 has a 'share' button that you can completely ignore if you want to.

I know which I prefer...

MS is basically saying: "You don't own these games or even this console. You own a license to this console and the games."

How do you not own the console?

And that's been the standard practice for software since time immemorial.

 BryllCream wrote:


And that's been the standard practice for software since time immemorial.

Elaborate.