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**H.B.M.C.**

Thing is, most people on this world are tech illiterate, and I'm pretty sure "Why do I have to connect it? My son just wants to play the game I bought him!" will become the new hell Gamestop and EB employees have to deal with.

"Ma'am, may I suggest you return your One and get a PS4 instead. No need for the internet. You just turn it on and play."

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thing is, most people on this world are tech illiterate, and I'm pretty sure "Why do I have to connect it? My son just wants to play the game I bought him!" will become the new hell Gamestop and EB employees have to deal with.

I cannot say I will take pity on them.

"Ma'am, may I suggest you return your One and get a PS4 instead. No need for the internet. You just turn it on and play."

Heh.

I would be very surprised if the PS4 does not have something similar but has had it remain as yet unannounced.

**AlexHolker**

On the Xbox Telescreen front, I found this article from last year, about Microsoft patenting the ability to charge you more money to watch TV if there are more people in the room, or refuse to play a movie if there are too many people watching.

Kanluwen wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Ma'am, may I suggest you return your One and get a PS4 instead. No need for the internet. You just turn it on and play."

Heh.

I would be very surprised if the PS4 does not have something similar but has had it remain as yet unannounced.

Maybe they're smarter than that. Maybe when Microsoft blows off their own feet with a shotgun, they'll be smart enough to not scrabble for their own chance to do the same.

**caledoneus**

^^^^^

This... Here's hoping that someone at Sony is paying attention to forums and chatrooms and microsofts stocks and realizes that something about their release announcement was not clicking with gamers, figures out what it was and decides to fix it for PS4... or even Microsoft does.... lol

**Sigvatr**

Yep, I'm interested in Sony's move. If they do not make the same mistake, and I hope they don't, Microsoft screwed themselves over.

**LordofHats**

Kanluwen wrote:

I would be very surprised if the PS4 does not have something similar but has had it remain as yet unannounced.

Sony has specifically come out and said they will not be including such a feature.

Stemming fears of the always-online requirement still rumored strongly for the next Xbox, a Sony PR rep confirmed to Kotaku that: "PS4 games will be playable without an Internet connection."

I'm still hearing from at least one very good source who hasn't failed me yet that the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will require an online connection, though that source isn't sure whether the console would tolerate spotty, dropped connections.

In an interview with Eurogamer at yesterday's big PS4 unveiling in New York, Sony's head of worldwide game studios, Shuhei Yoshida said, of PS4 gaming, "Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."
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Sony is hoping that you would keep your machine online, though, so they can keep quietly patching games, updating games, sending games to you and all sorts of other stuff. This is a company, mind you, that painted a vision yesterday of a "psychic" online store that would learn your tastes and have the next game you might want to buy already downloaded to your machine before you even knew it existed—just waiting for you to click to pay.

Note: Last year, when we reported the PS4's codename—Orbis—we also reported that, while there probably wouldn't be an always-online connection for PS4, that we were hearing that users would need to register their games online. We're following up with Sony to see if that is at all part of the current PS4 plan. Even if it had been, things can change and we're trying to keep you as up to date as we can.
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The running rumor mill is that everything that pisses some people off about the XBone (barring its awesome new nick name) will not be on the PS4.

**Sigvatr**

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a484596/microsoft-predicts-1-billion-xbox-one-sales.html

Hahaha oh dear god, hahahaha XD

**LordofHats**

Sigvatr wrote:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a484596/microsoft-predicts-1-billion-xbox-one-sales.html

Hahaha oh dear god, hahahaha XD

Oh my god. Microsoft is pulling a Capcom/Square Enix. What do they expect will happen? Every American citizen will buy 4?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Huh, Microsoft is now run by Dr. Evil. Makes sense.

"We shall sell....1 BILLION consoles" *cue dramatic music*

**Kanluwen**

Microsoft isn't predicting "one billion consoles sold" for themselves.

Microsoft believes that next-generation consoles could sell 1 billion units combined.

I know it's fun to post articles with provocative titles and not read them, but actually read your own damn article.

**CthuluIsSpy**

According to the article:

"Microsoft has predicted up to 1 billion sales of its Xbox One."

That was the very first line.

Also:

"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox [One] opportunity as we go forward."

That implies they think they could pull it off.

**LordofHats**

And it's absurd. Someone doesn't pay attention to their own sales data. Sony's PS4 has a better chance of hitting that mark simply by catering to the Asian market and ignoring the others.

**nomotog**

No way they could make that number unless they dropped the internet requirement.

**Kanluwen**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
According to the article:

"Microsoft has predicted up to 1 billion sales of its Xbox One."

That was the very first line.

Do me a favor.

Go back. Actually read the article. You'll see that it does not EVER say "Microsoft has predicted up to 1 billion sales of its Xbox One".
I've posted exactly what it reads. It never once uses the words "1 billion" and "Xbox One" in the same sentence. It states NEXT GENERATION CONSOLES--which is both the Xbox One and the PS4.

**CthuluIsSpy**

I direct you to the second quote I posted. That implies they think they can.

**warboss**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
According to the article:

"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox [One] opportunity as we go forward."

As much as I've enjoyed my 360 and acknowledge that it was absolutely the right decision for me, I do feel the need to point out that MS needs to actually get to that 400 million before that goal is even applicable.

**LordofHats**

Oh wait...

Kan is right. The 360 has only sold 77 million units, but you throw in Wii sales and PS4 sales and you get about 300 million as a total for the generation. Microsoft is saying they think the new gen can break a billion.

It still a stupid statement cause its not gonna happen but that is way less stupid than when I first read that XD.

Mass stupid moment.

**Kanluwen**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I direct you to the second quote I posted. That implies they think they can.

And I direct you to actually start quoting things in context, not just when they support your assertions.

"Every generation, as you've probably heard, has grown approximately 30%," he said. "So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That's if it's a game console, over the next decade.

"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward."

Those numbers are NOT for the Xbox One.

Actually read an article before commenting.
It's interesting to note as well that the ACTUAL article title and address (not the one that Sigvatr posted, which redirects to the actual title/URL) is "microsoft-predicts-1-billion-next-generation-console-sales", not "microsoft-predicts-1-billion-xbox-one-sales".

So Digital Spy knows their post was bull. They're just using it as an excuse to ramp up hits with a sensationalist angle and banking on the fact that people will not actually read the article.

**Soladrin**

It's still stupid though.

No way they will hit that when a 10 year console generation failed to break even half of that.

**Kanluwen**

Soladrin wrote:
It's still stupid though.

No way they will hit that when a 10 year console generation failed to break even half of that.

They're not saying it WILL. They are saying that the current predictions of upwards of 400 million for the next generation are only for "pure game consoles".
Microsoft is predicting that the next generation will exceed that, perhaps to the exceeding 1 billion mark, because of the fact the consoles are not going to be "purely game consoles".

**LordofHats**

Microsoft is predicting that the next generation will exceed that, perhaps to the exceeding 1 billion mark, because of the fact the consoles are not going to be "purely game consoles".

It's still stupid. They will never sell that many systems. That's a 333% increase in market sales. It's absurd to ever think for one second they can be that successful especially coming out of a console generation that saw the industy's first decline in profits in nearly 20 years.

**Soladrin**

Besides, only reason for me to consider buying a next gen console at any point now is because of my ever lasting addiction to Armored Core. But seeing as they still have a game in the works for the 360 it probably won't be for atleast 2-3 years untill that comes around. By that time it'll probably be down by enough. And since AC is a multiplatform series at this point I'll just look at killer apps to see what I get. Though I do like the 360 controller... PS controllers can suck it.

**Gitzbitah**

Perhaps they're anticipating an even more persistent and vicious RROD, necessitating more frequent replacement of your console. I know I was responsible for 1 replacement and 2 new 360 purchases. If the new consoles needs to be replaced twice as often, it could certainly 'boost' sales.

**LordofHats**

PS controllers can suck it.

Agree. And the new one is about as ugly as the XBone case is XD

First time I picked up a PS2 controller my fingers got so freaking stiff after an hour or so I couldn't play anymore. Gonna take some adjusting.

**feeder**

No backwards compatibility?
Always on internet gaming?
No used market?
Feth this noise.

**SilverMK2**

Kanluwen wrote:
[Your "average second hand customer" comes into a shop with a stack of used games and relies upon store credit for their purchases.

Where did they get that big stack of games to trade in from though Kan?

I have about 80-90 games for the 360, about 70-80% of which were bought second hand; I don't think I have traded in a single game for credit before. Though clearly one story =/= data

**daedalus-templarius**

What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

I just don't see the big deal.

Also, according to MS like 5% of users actually 'use' backwards compatibility. I know I barely played any xbox games on my 360 once it came out. Same with Nintendos of old. I'll just keep my 360 out on my tv stand for a while...

**LordofHats**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

Some of us don't have a mountain of wall jacks. This will probably kill any hope for the XBone outside of the US and Europe as well as most third world countries don't have the internet reliability to maintain this (Microsoft might not care because they've never done well in those markets anyway and that's arguably why Sony isn't doing it because they do very well in those markets). EDIT: There's a reason most pirating of PC games happens in Asia and Eastern Europe and there's a reason its been increasing in recent years.

There's also the issue of having the ability to play a game if the internet is taken out randomly in the middle of the day by no fault of ones own (glares at Comcast). And frankly some people don't like a corporation dictating to them the terms under which they may use a product they paid for. Most people practically, are unlikely to have an issue with always online. That doesn't mean they like the idea (nor does it make the idea right).

**SilverMK2**

LordofHats wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
What is the deal with people flipping out with this 'always on' thing? Literally every device I own is 'always on' and connected to the internet now.

Some of us don't have a mountain of wall jacks. This will probably kill any hope for the XBone outside of the US and Europe as well as most third world countries don't have the internet reliability to maintain this (Microsoft might not care because they've never done well in those markets anyway and that's arguably why Sony isn't doing it because they do very well in those markets).

There's also the issue of having the ability to play a game if the internet is taken out randomly in the middle of the day by no fault of ones own (glares at Comcast). And frankly some people don't like a corporation dictating to them the terms under which they may use a product they paid for. Most people practically, are unlikely to have an issue with always online. That doesn't mean they like the idea (nor does it make the idea right).

Some people also have download limits that always on DRM likes to chew up.

**LordofHats**

And that the Kinect must be connected to the console at the same time is admittedly kind of creepy.

Not that I think Microsoft gives a crap about 'watching' people. I doubt that's gonna happen. It's just a little creepy