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And that's been the standard practice for software since time immemorial.
No it hasn't. It's been Mircrosofts practice since the mid-90's but video game publishers started doing it about six years ago. It in itself isn't really a problem, but the way the companies use it to gouge customers is pretty douchy.
Cant say whether this has been addressed already but i am getting worried that this generation will be the first one to have Performance issues, ironic as it may be.
I mean how can you have skype, telly, cloud access and a game running without the cpu (or apu/gpu/whatever) taking a massive hit and the framerate Tanking? Will this be the first generation of consoles with graphics settings? I think the ps4 will fair better in this regard as it didn't mention 3 OS' running at the same time and having all the apps 'snapped' on one screen.
Part of PC culture is looking through your task manager and disabling pointless stuff to make sure you're getting the most out of your PC for the task at hand. It's tedious and something i don't miss when i'm on the console, getting consistent performance (as long as the game's well optimised of course). Naturally i seriously doubt you'll be able to disable any of the software on the Xbone to ensure smooth gaming performance.
For an example look at 2011's Battlefield 3(PC) and Origin. Initially (not sure if they sorted it) Both the Origin client and BF3's 'battlelog' app had to be running to play the game. I read many complaints from people with absolutely beastly PCs that they couldn't play the game at high specs because Origin and battlelog were munching on their memory.
Mary Sue wrote: Perkustin is even more awesome than me!
Always online? Sure I'll let it use up all of my precious bandwidth every month.
Not everyone has access to cheap unlimited broadband, I have 80gb of downloads a month to be shared among 4 people. The speed is abysmal and wireless is unreliable. As it stands I don't normally play console games but my sister does use our 360 a lot and the big advantage had always been that she can just pop a game in and play it while I have to sacrifice goats to telecom to get an internet connection or just play offline.
Steam at least doesn't freak out if you lack a connection, you just go into offline mode, and you can stay there for days.
Any advantage that the xbox had has been squandered in my opinion.
And that's been the standard practice for software since time immemorial.
Elaborate.
Ever installed any software of any kind whatsoever? Every single game, every anti-virus, office suite.
You have a very valid point if we were discussing PC history, as for PC games/apps/programs this has been a standard practice. However, when we are discussing the XBone, we should, in theory anyway, be discussing a console. And the standard operation for console games has been, pretty much since time immemorial (NES, Atari) that when you buy a game (disc, cartridge, ect) you own and are able to play that game until it breaks or the console does. Now MS wants to tell console gamers "you can only play it if we let you." Not SOP for consoles at all... and not something that many consolers will put up with. Personally, if I'm going to have to deal with all the limitations of a PC, I may as well just go buy one! And I'll make sure it is not one that has anything MS on it... lol
Its not an attitude PC gamers have been very happy with. Not sure why so many people fall back to the "PC has always been this way therefore there's nothing wrong with it" logic.
Oh, I don't think there is nothing wrong with it. I think it is total crapola that PCs have had to deal with this whole concept for so long, but up until now, consoles have been a safe haven from this type of facsism... that is all I meant
Whelp suffice to say I was unimpressed, as were the Japanese people I was hanging out with, needless to say they were all Sony fanboys so it:s not like it was hard to get a negative reaction out of that crowd but still... I:m back to PCs its looking like.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
I hope Microsoft is reading things like this and is realizing how bad they are planing to screw the pooch on this one. I know better than to hold out to much hope on that one however.
Emperors Faithful wrote:
metallifan wrote:Maybe it's not the ROFLSTOMP that Americans are used to...
And that's been the standard practice for software since time immemorial.
Elaborate.
Ever installed any software of any kind whatsoever? Every single game, every anti-virus, office suite.
Those are one-time activations and do not require me to be online every 24h. Steam got an Offline Mode. And PC. Never had to activate my 3DS / Xbox 360 games. Plus: all of the above can easily be traded / sold.
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LordofHats wrote: Its not an attitude PC gamers have been very happy with. Not sure why so many people fall back to the "PC has always been this way therefore there's nothing wrong with it" logic.
Because PC gaming is awesome. So what if you don't own the rights to software? I have plenty of other stuff that's way more important. Warhammer, money, sex etc
LordofHats wrote: Its not an attitude PC gamers have been very happy with. Not sure why so many people fall back to the "PC has always been this way therefore there's nothing wrong with it" logic.
Because PC gaming is awesome. So what if you don't own the rights to software? I have plenty of other stuff that's way more important. Warhammer, money, sex etc
LordofHats wrote: Its not an attitude PC gamers have been very happy with. Not sure why so many people fall back to the "PC has always been this way therefore there's nothing wrong with it" logic.
Because PC gaming is awesome. So what if you don't own the rights to software? I have plenty of other stuff that's way more important. Warhammer, money, sex etc
RiTides wrote: Personally, I think a lot of the outrage is a bit funny, since Many of you will likely get an Xbox One, anyway . I've seen this before...
I think I'll manage. $400 bucks to spend on something else I can rage about
But of course welcome to my life dealing with the abomination that is CoD, Acti-Blizz, and Ubisoft, and the entire gaming industry in general. People bitch and moan and then they fork up their cash anyway. Sadest part is that so many games are so fun and ruined by stupid gak that makes playing them a pain in the butt.
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My gf and me are interested in getting a new console if it's a console / home entertainment hybrid, thus we're looking forward to further info on the PS4...Microsoft is out of the equation now. Any info on the steambox?
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: As to xboxone, I'm getting one, its the only place I can play Halo, thus I am there.
The only literal thing I am waiting on is launch day line up, as that dictates if I get one on day one or not.
Yeah, I'm pretty much here . Although, Destiny may replace Halo for me... still to be determined, but that would allow me to use a different platform. But as I doubt the PS4 multiplayer interface will rival Xbox Live, and as I pretty much only do multiplayer, it's hard to imagine that the PS4 would be a better fit for what I like to play than the Xbox One would.
LordofHats wrote: Steambox is (thus far) appearing to look like a small purpose built PC that can be hooked up to your TV.
Yep, knew that. Interested in it as we exclusively buy games at Steam anyway now with your proxied US account to save a LOT of money. If it'd allow you to use Netflix too...take our money!
Well the idea behind the Steam Box is to take advantage of 'Living Room PCs.' Small cheap computers that can be hooked up and used as a home entertainment system. The Steambox is simply one with the power to play video games (EDIT: And its not exclusively made by valve, it could be any living room PC with the power to do so). it can still function like other PC's and can access the internet (theoretically).
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While its still way too early for a definitive decision, I may just give up on the "next generation" of gaming and keep chugging along on my 360 till it inevitably burns out (and I won't be getting an 8th one). The anti-used game policy, lack of indie support, always spying kinect, disabling games due to internet requirements, and especially lack of backward compatibity has largely deflated my interest in the xbone. My unfamiliarity with the PS2-4 controller and lack of titles for that system makes it unlikely I'll switch barring some other glaring difference to make up for it. I don't have nor plan to get a gaming capable computer either (vassal is the most advanced game I've played on either of my laptops in the past almost two years).
That said, most of the problems I have with the xbone are readily fixable in the next 6 months. Used game support? Easy to fix. Backward compatibility? Thousands of software engineers at microsoft can make an emulator if teams of a half dozen fan programmers can do stuff like that for older systems in their spare time. Forced kinect and always on can be software disabled as a setting. Allowing developers to use the cloud as an option instead of a mandatory not-DRM-but-really-DRM requirement is an easy policy change. I'm not asking to somehow use netflix without a working internet connection but rather that a single player game work offline. It's not too late for microsoft to fix the above issues I have but I doubt they will. It seems like every generation has an inflated head big ego console (sony this gen, nintendo last gen, microsoft coming up next).
LordofHats wrote: Its not an attitude PC gamers have been very happy with. Not sure why so many people fall back to the "PC has always been this way therefore there's nothing wrong with it" logic.
Because PC gaming is awesome. So what if you don't own the rights to software? I have plenty of other stuff that's way more important. Warhammer, money, sex etc
. I've seen this before...
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