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**daedalus-templarius**

Necroshea wrote:
The mention of charging you more when kinect detects another person is news to me. Even without that, I can say for certain that I will not be getting an xbox at launch, even if they fix everything.

Microsoft is going into EA territory. Do something truly horrible, then fix it after people get outraged, and expect people to still be friendly with them afterwards.

I'll eat a hat if that actually exists in real life.

I don't forsee it going anywhere beyond wild forum speculation.

**Fafnir**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Necroshea wrote:
The mention of charging you more when kinect detects another person is news to me. Even without that, I can say for certain that I will not be getting an xbox at launch, even if they fix everything.

Microsoft is going into EA territory. Do something truly horrible, then fix it after people get outraged, and expect people to still be friendly with them afterwards.

I'll eat a hat if that actually exists in real life.

I don't forsee it going anywhere beyond wild forum speculation.

Microsoft is in the process of patenting or has already patented the relevant technology for just that.

**nomotog**

Their was an story on it awhile ago. It's been patented. I would like to think that no one would actually use it, but I'll keep a hat around just in case.

**MrMoustaffa**

Necroshea wrote:
The mention of charging you more when kinect detects another person is news to me. Even without that, I can say for certain that I will not be getting an xbox at launch, even if they fix everything.

Microsoft is going into EA territory. Do something truly horrible, then fix it after people get outraged, and expect people to still be friendly with them afterwards.

I'm pretty sure this is a bogus rumor started by paranoid people.

I've never seen it "officially" mentioned anywhere or cited in any way as actually being on the Xbox one.

Who knows though, at this point it's anyone's guess. The system could devour your first born child as a payment for your first year of Xbox Live Unobtanium for all we know.

**AlexHolker**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is a bogus rumor started by paranoid people.

The patent is a matter of public record, as you can see on the US government's own website. Either acknowledge where the balance of evidence lies or wallow in delusion.

**Sigvatr**

Necroshea wrote:
The mention of charging you more when kinect detects another person is news to me. Even without that, I can say for certain that I will not be getting an xbox at launch, even if they fix everything.

Microsoft is going into EA territory. Do something truly horrible, then fix it after people get outraged, and expect people to still be friendly with them afterwards.

You could just put sth. in front of the lens tbf.

...I should start producing 3rd party Kinect lenses. I'll get rich.

**Slarg232**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Legit huh?

Where'd you get confirmation?

Amazon pre-orders.

**kirsanth**

Which is confirmation of a product, not its price - or even status.

**Kanluwen**

Slarg232 wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
Legit huh?

Where'd you get confirmation?

Amazon pre-orders.

That means nothing Slarg. The prices for the UK Xbox One are placeholders.

It's a very common practice for Amazon to put up prices that are their "guesstimates", or set the prices artificially high so if people preorder they can refund the difference rather than add another charge to the card.

**Gitzbitah**

More news-

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Although it raises many questions, it also answers many with a gritty in your face "not our problem". The majority of the most annoying features have now been declared publisher's choice.

**daedalus-templarius**

Gitzbitah wrote:
More news-

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Although it raises many questions, it also answers many with a gritty in your face "not our problem". The majority of the most annoying features have now been declared publisher's choice.

All of these things are good for me, personally.

I can see why some may not like them, however.

edit: oh hey look, the same information that you can glean off the official MS site

**TedNugent**

**MandalorynOranj**

I seriously don't understand how they went from the 360 to this mess. In my eyes, the 360 was the perfect console, but they've dropped every single ball here.

Why should I have to check in every 24 hours when I haven't played a multiplayer game in half a year? Asking customers to do that is utterly ridiculous, anything that restricts access to the system can only be bad for them in the long run.

Same goes for the used game market. Nowadays I buy most of my games off eBay, I think I bought maybe three games new this past year. But you know what? Restricting me from getting these games for cheap isn't going to convince me to buy them new: it just means I won't end up playing the game. I'm playing Dead Island now cause I got it for 15 bucks. It's fun, but there's no way I ever would have had enough interest in this to buy it for full retail price, and the same goes for a lot of other games I've played recently.

And really, saying "it'll be the publisher's decision" translates to "we're cutting off the used market but we want to try to shift the blame to someone else."

Nobody wants a Kinect. Get that through your collective skulls, Microsoft. There's a reason it's been almost entirely neglected by AAA gaming. Because it's worthless.

I think what is irking me the most about this is that there are things I'm definitely going to feel like I'm missing out on by not buying one (which I'm definitely not). Halo 5, the new Halo TV series, possibly Mass Effect games. It's going to suck losing those, but I feel like Microsoft's forcing my hand. Maybe I'll make the switch over to Sony, and somehow learn to deal with their weird excuse for a controller. It's not like there's anything keeping me tethered to the Xbox (cough, backwards compatibility, cough, XBLA games). More than likely though, this new generation of games is going to pass me by. I'll stick with my 360 til I play every backlogged game I'm interested in, and then come back to test the waters.

**daedalus-templarius**

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Nobody wants a Kinect. Get that through your collective skulls, Microsoft. There's a reason it's been almost entirely neglected by AAA gaming. Because it's worthless.

I like my kinect.

**warboss**

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Why should I have to check in every 24 hours when I haven't played a multiplayer game in half a year? Asking customers to do that is utterly ridiculous, anything that restricts access to the system can only be bad for them in the long run.

It's a DRM check. It specifically checks and updates what games you're allowed to play to make sure you didn't do something evil and nefarious like lend the game to a friend or sell it. Without a 24 hour check, you could do something dastardly like sell the game and maybe play it for a few days after the fact (assuming that the rumor of needing the disc only for installs and initial verification is true).

**ExNoctemNacimur**

I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

**daedalus-templarius**

ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

What do you think its doing?

**warboss**

Yeah, the idea of a device that can read your expressions and recognize you and probably record and transmit everything is way too big brother for me. With todays news of the "Prism" system the government has set up where they can record in real time everything you do on Microsoft/yahoo/apple/skype/youtube/etc, no conspiracy theory is too wild to just discount off hand.

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daedalus-templarius wrote:
ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

What do you think its doing?

Until they decide that it's not and bury it in the TOS and then sell it. Or until the federal government tells them to have it listen for everything (see my post above and news today on the "prism" system in use since 2007). Or until a hacker in Russia develops a virus that can do the above. I've got nothing to actually hide (other than occasionally gaming in my boxers). The worst thing I've ever done in front of the xbox is likely scratch my ass while watching a movie... but that doesn't mean I want the tech there with the capability to record everything visual/auditory over which is "mandatory" while the device is on.

**ExNoctemNacimur**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

What do you think its doing?

I don't know, and I've probably got my tin foil hat on, but there's the chance that it could be recording what you're doing, or if something's up, will begin recording what you're doing. I don't know, I think I need to go outside.

**LordofHats**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

What do you think its doing?

Why would EA's EULA get everyone all up in arms over aggregate data? People get paranoid about stuff.

But come on. Surely you can see that it is a little creepy? Even recognizing that nothing will probably come of it, it's still creepy. I'm not gonna blame anyone for being weirded out over it, cause it is weird. They could easily include the 'Xbox On' voice commands without the kinect buy building it into the system itself. Instead they invited paranoia by building it into an accessory not everyone wants and that has a built in camera.

Microsoft has never been the best marketer in the business but lately they've really been dropping the ball on the games front. XBone has become a swirling mess of rumors, confusion, and bad ideas and Microsoft isn't doing much to quell the fires.

**Lord Harrab**

I don't know if this has been posted, but here's some news:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124711-Microsoft-Addresses-Xbox-One-Concerns

**AlexHolker**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

Listening for "Xbox on" by necessity means listening to everything else, and processing it at least to the point where it confirms that you didn't just say "Xbox on".

**nomotog**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

Why would it, since when it is in low power mode, its listening for one thing: "xbox on", not to mention you can turn it off.

What do you think its doing?

Watching, listening, piloting. It's creepy man. It's not a hard concept to understand how people can be bothered by a device that doesn't turn off. It means you don't have control of it and people don't want to invite in technology that they don't own or control. It's a skynet thing. We only like technology when we feel we are in change of it.

**daedalus-templarius**

Yea we are totally into tinfoil hat territory now.

I'm sure an enterprising group of network engineers are going to be monitoring everything the XBone sends out over the network on day 1, and they would know immediately if its listening for 'more', or 'recording' you.

Also, most of you have 2 cameras in your pockets right now. Last time I checked, I couldn't turn my iphone camera 'off' either. Who's to say its not recording everything I do while its in sleep mode?!

AlexHolker wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, most of you have 2 cameras in your pockets right now. Last time I checked, I couldn't turn my iphone camera 'off' either. Who's to say its not recording everything I do while its in sleep mode?!

Your phone's camera could be recording you right now, simply as a consequence of not letting you physically disconnect the camera from its power source. But if you buy the Xbox one, this is not a what-if: the Kinect is explicitly recording you at all times, so that it knows if you say "Xbox on".

gasp!

I guess I didn't realize that parsing sound and recording sound were the same things; all those skype calls talking about dota must be living on server somewhere maliciously.

**AlexHolker**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, most of you have 2 cameras in your pockets right now. Last time I checked, I couldn't turn my iphone camera 'off' either. Who's to say its not recording everything I do while its in sleep mode?!

Your phone's camera could be recording you right now, simply as a consequence of not letting you physically disconnect the camera from its power source. But if you buy the Xbox one, this is not a what-if: the Kinect is explicitly recording you at all times, so that it knows if you say "Xbox on".

**ExNoctemNacimur**

The thing is though your phone camera may not necessarily be connected to the internet and it must be boring watching your pocket instead of your living room.

**Sigvatr**

Sony's reaction to the latest XBox Done:

Microsoft needs you to contact them every day and proof that you’re lending your game to “just a friend.” They’re like a paranoid girlfriend

Well played.

**MandalorynOranj**

warboss wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:

Why should I have to check in every 24 hours when I haven't played a multiplayer game in half a year? Asking customers to do that is utterly ridiculous, anything that restricts access to the system can only be bad for them in the long run.

It's a DRM check. It specifically checks and updates what games you're allowed to play to make sure you didn't do something evil and nefarious like lend the game to a friend or sell it. Without a 24 hour check, you could do something dastardly like sell the game and maybe play it for a few days after the fact (assuming that the rumor of needing the disc only for installs and initial verification is true).

Who exactly is benefitting from having to install every game on the hard drive? It seems like that's the root cause of a lot of these problems. Has anyone ever said "wow, I sure want to play a game, but I can't be assed to get up and put it in the disk drive!"

ExNoctemNacimur wrote:I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but does the kinect always on thing bother anyone?

They released a description of their privacy settings on Game Informer yesterday, it seems you actually have the capability to turn it off!

When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too.

(source: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/06/microsoft-addresses-xbox-one-privacy-concerns.aspx)

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daedalus-templarius wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:

Nobody wants a Kinect. Get that through your collective skulls, Microsoft. There's a reason it's been almost entirely neglected by AAA gaming. Because it's worthless.

I like my kinect.

Developers clearly don't. It's a gimmicky feature that at this point is just needlessly inflating the price.

**Ovion**

MandalorynOranj wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:
Nobody wants a Kinect. Get that through your collective skulls, Microsoft. There's a reason it's been almost entirely neglected by AAA gaming. Because it's worthless.
I like my kinect.
Developers clearly don't. It's a gimmicky feature that at this point is just needlessly inflating the price.

According to Wikipedia, these are the numbers for 360 Games:
Total: 1700: 1535 Xbox 360, 133 Kinect, 32 Kinect Compatible (Retail: 959 Xbox 360, 115 Kinect, 28 Kinect Compatible. XBLA: 576 Xbox 360, 18 Kinect, 4 Kinect Compatible.)
So, 1 in 12 games require Kinect, 1 in 10 games use Kinect.
And quite a few of these are games from 'big' developers.
You don't like the Kinect, you may not like the games for it, but there's plenty of people who do.

It's great for kids / family games, and there's plenty of fun games for it otherwise.
Plus the support for other games is good - the Kinect Support in ME3 and Halo: CE Anniversary was good times.
Also - Gunstringer is hilariously brilliant.

Oh - and the biggest thing people wanted from the Kinect before (Xbox On), is now one of the biggest complaints... Always the way isn't it?

**KalashnikovMarine**

Meanwhile, in Forbes Magazine, noted bastion of conspiracy theorists and drug crazed lunatics.

The Guardian is reporting that the government has had essentially unfettered access to the servers of most of the biggest American tech companies since the end of the Bush administration.

This access began in 2007 and includes tech giants like Google, Yahoo, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft.

Under the program—dubbed PRISM—the government can access all of your photos, email correspondence, stored data, and basically whatever else you do using these online services. The program has continued to this date under the Obama administration, according to the Guardian.

The British newspaper is reporting that the leaked PRISM document—a top secret Power Point presentation—is dated April 2013.

As it happens, the first company PRISM tapped for the program was Power Point creator Microsoft way back in 2007.

Microsoft has been lobbing about the deliciously ironic slogan “Your privacy is our priority” in the wake of criticism over its new Xbox One and its inclusion of the Kinect 2.0, which measures everything from motion to heart-rate and sends that information to Microsoft’s servers.

Much has been made recently of the limitations Microsoft is imposing on used games and an always-online (or nearly always-online) internet connection—revelations that have only been compounded by a recent blog post by the tech company.

Allowing publishers to determine which games are permitted for resale and requiring an online verification once every 24 hours are shockingly anti-consumer practices, of course, but the problems with the Xbox One go much deeper.

Until news broke on the PRISM program, fears that data recorded using the Kinect 2.0 would violate the privacy of Xbox One users were mostly vague.

Now that the NSA has apparently unlimited access to Microsoft servers, the notion of a camera in our homes watching us at all times and storing biometric data on Microsoft servers is downright appalling.

Microsoft has said that the Kinect can be turned off, but once it’s up and running how many consumers will actually turn the thing off?

Perhaps more will now—now that we’ve glimpsed just how far the national security state has reached into our private lives, and how a device like the Xbox One could make more personal data than ever before available to government agencies.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/06/07/nsa-domestic-spying-program-makes-xbox-one-even-scarier/

Now I know Eric Kain, he's a good dude, and while he leans free market and consumer rights, he's pretty balanced politically, so this isn't one of the rare whackos that writes for Forbes. (Every company has at least one)