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I much prefer xbox controlers to ps but im sre 3rd party could sort that out...

Perhaps, but I don't think anyone did a comparable one during the PS3 life cycle, so hopefully is the best way to put it..

Of course I don't include myself in that group, I've used too many pads/consoles over the years to be worried about positions of trigger buttons.

Been watching a few videos this morning now I'm at home, at better frame rates, and damn I'm liking the look of Project Spark.

My only real concern is I hope 'use the smartglass to' doesn't equal 'smartglass is the only way to' as I'm not buying a bloody tablet or other tech with the system just to play certain games.

 LunaHound wrote:

Xbox Cons: awful controller, expensive BUT reliable online experience. New to the console market wars, have high expectation for them.

Sony Cons: the continual success of consoles means games that have annoying hybrid aim assist functions... (well this goes for all consoles )
Free, but often laggy multiplayer game plays.
Since PS1, the customers expect Sony to be veterans at keeping its customer happy, less tolerance for mistakes.

Wat.
Xbox:
Xbox controller is generally regarded as the better one. (And I heartily agree, PS controllers give me cramps in about 15 minutes.) Xbox Live gold is not expensive no matter how you twist it and we get free games too now.

Sony: PS4 multiplayer will also cost money now. PSN has far worse security and is a lot less reliable all round.

That said, probably not going to get either one untill some massive price drops, and games I actually care for are released (that aren't on PC). Oh, and if I can't get an xbox one without the kinect, they can keep it.

While the Xbox controller's analog sticks and shoulder buttons are really good, it's D-pad is absolutely horrendous and its face buttons' rounded edges are annoying at best.

The perfect controller would take the body, D-pad, and upper shoulders of a Dualshock 3, with the analog sticks of an Xbox 360 controller, and the lower shoulders (seriously, why no one else has ever thought of analog shoulders with a lock-in is beyond me, those shoulders were marvelous) and face buttons of a Gamecube controller.

Wat. The body of the dialshock is what ruins me, that thing is just way too small. Doesn't matter what I play, after about 15 minutes I'll have to stop because my hands will stop functioning.

I've got to agree, the Xbox has the far superior controller.

Yup. I massively prefer the Xbox controller.

For me, its too early to be making decisions - and I wouldn't be buying a console 'til it went down in price anyway - but neither console really appeals to me. I've always been an Xbox fan, but the One sounds disappointing; with the exclusives unable to sway me (I feel the Halo series has been going downhill from Reach onwards) and the price putting me off even further.

But I'm not a fan of the PlayStation and - in particular - its controller.

I'm not going to side with either one yet: I'll wait to see how they pan out after release, see which ones my friends use, and see whether the Xbox One turns out as negative as its sounding.

Then again, I may need a new computer anyway...

Chatting to my brother earlier when I passed through the shop, and he reminded me of something that had slipped my mind. Something Kilkrazy also just pointed out in the PS4 thread.

The xboxone comes with the kinect, which we know from its 360 incarnation is worth £100. So really when you take that into account, I'm not having a lot of issue over the price.

Sony won, hands down. Better exclusive lineup, lending games is possible, no cyberspy, no arsehole-ish behavior (ie Microsoft bribing publishers) etc.

I just hope that all the CoD guys go buy an Xbox, that's the console for ZE DOODZ.

Xbox games looked terrible. Ryse is 100% QTE, Forza is vroom vrooooom, we still didnt see anything about the Quantum game and most major games are on both systems anyway. On the other side, we have Sony with Last of Us sweeping the entire starting lineup of the Xbone with a single strike.

...btw, did anyone see that Xbone design circlejerk video? just wow.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Chatting to my brother earlier when I passed through the shop, and he reminded me of something that had slipped my mind. Something Kilkrazy also just pointed out in the PS4 thread.

The xboxone comes with the kinect, which we know from its 360 incarnation is worth £100. So really when you take that into account, I'm not having a lot of issue over the price.

True, but I personally never would have brought Kinect, not have any real interest in it.

That both don't have backwards compatibility is seriously disappointing IMHO.

Got two lads in the eight to ten bracket.. so we got a fair bit of use from it. Enough that the boys also have a kinect on their bedroom machine.

Sigvatr I think you can add Halo fans to that as well, know many folks who'll get one regardless when the next Halo comes around, probably at a slightly cheaper entry point as well.

As to the display vids, really what did you expect, them sitting around saying how rubbish it was.

-Sarcasm starts here- (Warning not for the faint-hearted - May contain nuts)


I'm just going to get the Gamestick at this rate - Looks so much better! Or maybe even get back into Warhammer - You never know - it has better graphics than either of those two consoles and it is fully customizable and you can get an 1850 point army for half the price of the consoles.

Sony: PS4 multiplayer will also cost money now. PSN has far worse security and is a lot less reliable all round.

And honestly those problems can be attributed to the service being free. They're probably charging now because the free model just isn't working and they need to money to support a more secure and robust network.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I've got to agree, the Xbox has the far superior controller.

Isn't there a third party controller out there for the PS3 that looks exactly like an xbox one (except for the lettering on the buttons obviously that has the PS3 markings like XO instead of AB)?

I do love the Sony game sharing video and (from reading reviews on the microsoft presentation) it doesn't look like MS addressed any of my concerns in their talk. Dumping the online requirements for non-multiplayer and backward compatibility are the two biggest issues I have. I know microsoft said that less than 10% of xbox users have ever played an original xbox game but I suspect their numbers are a bit spun toward their intended goal (of not spending the cash to create an emulator). Someone who bought an xbox in the last 2-3 years has no reason to play original xbox games because the 360 has a big library of good games to keep them busy. Someone who bought an xbox in its first year or two of production had every reason to play original xbox games. Halo 2 was the top played xbox live game on the 360 for over a year after its release until Gears of War came out and finally knocked it out of first place (I was following the weekly majornelson.com rankings); every person who owned an original xbox on my friends list continued to play original xbox games on their 360 during that first year or two as well. Backward compatibility admittedly caters to the hardcore gaming crowd but those are exactly the people who buy consoles at within a year of launch at full price and most every piece of news from microsoft is bad for that crowd. "Casual" gamers won't spend $500 to buy a DVR that doesn't record just to play the occasional game.

Who needs controllers when (crosses fingers) your console is mouse and keyboard compatible

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sony won, hands down. Better exclusive lineup, lending games is possible, no cyberspy, no arsehole-ish behavior (ie Microsoft bribing publishers) etc.

I just hope that all the CoD guys go buy an Xbox, that's the console for ZE DOODZ.

Xbox games looked terrible. Ryse is 100% QTE, Forza is vroom vrooooom, we still didnt see anything about the Quantum game and most major games are on both systems anyway. On the other side, we have Sony with Last of Us sweeping the entire starting lineup of the Xbone with a single strike.

...btw, did anyone see that Xbone design circlejerk video? just wow.

Other way around, Microsoft won. Most games they had shown looked a lot better and more fun than any of the Playstation games. Oh and... lending games to friends is still possible on the Xbox One. But why would you even do that. It just shows how cheap your friends are.

And oh yeah... At least the Xbox One doesn't look like a badly designed eraser... That thing is going to overheat in a matter of hours.

Or it wont.

We don't know.

I doubt it'll overheat and really both consoles look stupid. Sony released their tiny super thin eraser while Microsoft released their wonky beta max player.

Personally the thing that is disappointing me is that the days of console exclusivity were dying but now they are in some ways making a come back. I think this generation is going to become a breakwater moment. Microsoft and Sony are pulling in two slightly different directions with how they approach the industry and the consumer. Sides will be taken and blood will be drawn *que epic music*

regarding the third party PS3 controller: If there is I've not seen it in the shops over here warboss, also my brother would have tracked it down for sure.

I raised an eyebrow that he's suggesting he's skipping PS4 this time, normally he gets them all.

Although I totally agree with the backward compatibility.. unless Microsoft intend to skip past that by throwing old 360 games at us for free.. or put them up dirt cheap? who knows at this point.

 LordofHats wrote:
I doubt it'll overheat and really both consoles look stupid. Sony released their tiny super thin eraser while Microsoft released their wonky beta max player.

The fact that it's so small will cause it to overheat in no time, it has allmost no ventilation whatsoever.

Or it wont.

We don't know.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I doubt it'll overheat and really both consoles look stupid. Sony released their tiny super thin eraser while Microsoft released their wonky beta max player.

The fact that it's so small will cause it to overheat in no time, it has allmost no ventilation whatsoever.

There are laptops the size of spiral binders that don't overheat to the point they can't function. Just because something is small doesn't mean it'll overheat and frankly I doubt Sony would overlook such a gaping design flaw. They built it small no doubt because they think people will appreciate it, but being small isn't necessarily going to make something run hotter when its purpose built rather than just miniaturized.

The 360 ran hot and suffered some problems for it and it was a pretty big machine with (seemingly) decent ventilation. Just because something is small doesn't mean it'll have heat troubles anymore than being big absolves a machine of heat troubles.

Microsoft do have one final chance to get back alot of fans, The Develop Conference in July. Microsoft is making a Presentation outlining how cloud based gaming will work and how it will improve games in the future. This is a glaring omission from their E3 show and may just be a chance to show what the Xbone is really capable of. Stay tuned, i say it will make or break it.

There was some cool stuff about the cloud when they were talking about Forza (maybe that wasn't at E3 though just the same day).

The game supposedly will record you while you play and save your patterns onto an AI on the cloud. Then when your friends are playing their game, your AI can be one of the bots placed into their race.

 LordofHats wrote:
There was some cool stuff about the cloud when they were talking about Forza (maybe that wasn't at E3 though just the same day).

The game supposedly will record you while you play and save your patterns onto an AI on the cloud. Then when your friends are playing their game, your AI can be one of the bots placed into their race.

Forza 2 introduced the concept of the Driveatar. It's just people don't remember, this is just an upgraded version.

Yeah never played Forza 2 (or one not much a racing game fan).

Yeah me neither, i just remember thinking the 'driveatar' was pretty neato, which it still is tbh.

What i really meant was i hope they'll explain how the cloud would actually give the machine 'more power' as was hinted at during the reveal. If it's really cool and clever people may have reconsider writing off microsoft.

 Perkustin wrote:
Microsoft do have one final chance to get back alot of fans, The Develop Conference in July. Microsoft is making a Presentation outlining how cloud based gaming will work and how it will improve games in the future. This is a glaring omission from their E3 show and may just be a chance to show what the Xbone is really capable of. Stay tuned, i say it will make or break it.

Microsoft has for all intents and purposes lost me on the xbox one unless it changes significantly. That said, there isn't "one final chance" as most of the issues people have with it can be changed via software. They could add backward compatibility, full used game support, and get rid of 24 hour DRM checks with a change in the OS of the console and they can announce that any ol' day before the release... but I seriously doubt we'll see the even one of the above. If they do change it, I hope they'll just install it at the factory or include an install DVD instead of having every user download multiple gigs on release day (like with the WII U).

 warboss wrote:

 Perkustin wrote:
Microsoft do have one final chance to get back alot of fans, The Develop Conference in July. Microsoft is making a Presentation outlining how cloud based gaming will work and how it will improve games in the future. This is a glaring omission from their E3 show and may just be a chance to show what the Xbone is really capable of. Stay tuned, i say it will make or break it.

Microsoft has for all intents and purposes lost me on the xbox one unless it changes significantly. That said, there isn't "one final chance" as most of the issues people have with it can be changed via software. They could add backward compatibility, full used game support, and get rid of 24 hour DRM checks with a change in the OS of the console and they can announce that any ol' day before the release... but I seriously doubt we'll see the even one of the above. If they do change it, I hope they'll just install it at the factory or include an install DVD instead of having every user download multiple gigs on release day (like with the WII U).

There's a good chance it's not that easy.

Let me tell you a tale, the tale of the original xbox live and it's 100 friend limit. When the 360 came out they noticed alot of people were still playing halo 2, they also found that Halo 2 would crash if they tried to increase the friend limit, so they said we'll keep it at 100 for now and get back to it later. Every subsequent attempt by microsoft or developers caused either the system or the games to crash, it was impossible, despite 2 new form factors and chipsets for the 360. The friend limit has never been increased, until now, with completely new hardware and a complicated process to migrate your friends list.

It is entirely possible its too late for Microsoft to turn back, or rather, turning back would cost money they're unwilling to spend. Hardware in a streamlined machine plays a big roll in how that machine runs. PC's are open flexible platforms and they're designed that way.

The XBone is not. It was designed to do exactly what Microsoft wants it to do in the way they want it to do it. While its possible to solve some of the things people don't like with some code changes its also possible its much more complicated than that.