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**Fafnir**

At the end of the day, this will hurt independent retailers the most, since they likely won't be approved used game retailers for the X1.

**nomotog**

Fafnir wrote:
At the end of the day, this will hurt independent retailers the most, since they likely won't be approved used game retailers for the X1.

Well it will hurt consumers the most, but small retailers and video rental will be next in line. That's what really disappoints me about the way the business fights used games. They ever actually go after gamestop. If gamestop really is killing your business, then there are ways you can fight back and force gamestop to play nice. The problem is the publishers only punish the consumers.

**MandalorynOranj**

Kanluwen wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
They will likely have some kind of 'rule' in place which makes it so that the price of a used game is so close to that of a new game--or even more than a new game--that it will be detrimental to the used game sellers.

So no matter which way you cut it, it's still detrimental to the consumers and the players, and that's the problem with the policy in the first place.

How is that "detrimental to the consumers and players"?

No matter how GameStop spins it--they're going to be vomiting money unless they can sucker people into buying a used game. What person is going to buy a USED game and the license associated with it when they can buy the same game, brand new, for cheaper?

I... think you just reinforced my point... When all prices are higher, that doesn't mean people buy more new games necessarily, it means people buy (and play) less games. Game developers are a business, and they deserve to make money, but they are also artists, and want people to experience what they make. If used games cost about the same as new, then what that means is that people will take less risks on a new developer. They don't have an established pedigree behind them, so why should I toss 60 bucks on something that may or may not be good? I'm totally willing to risk 15 or 20 though, and hey, maybe now I have a new trusted developer that I will buy new from! I can tell you for sure that of the last 10 games I bought, maybe three of them were new, and of the used ones I think I would have been willing to pay full price for maybe two or three of them.

**daedalus-templarius**

Xbone reverses on DRM

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-80-microsoft-reverses-xbox-one-drm-features/#continued

Basically it works just like it does today, with the addition of digital downloads day 1.

Now we can get back to the important things, like if the Kinect is spying on us for Microsoft and the government.

**Sigvatr**

Thanks, Sony.

Yes, Sony. This was NOT Microsoft's decision. It was Sony who forced Microsoft to take this step. Sony stepped in for gamers while Microsoft spit at their faces.

Oh, and I just won 10€.

**Kanluwen**

Sigvatr wrote:
Thanks, Sony.

Yes, Sony. This was NOT Microsoft's decision. It was Sony who forced Microsoft to take this step. Sony stepped in for gamers while Microsoft spit at their faces.

Oh, and I just won 10€.

Sony did not do garbage for gamers.

They really did not.

**Sigvatr**

Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

So yes, that's Sony. Send nice E-Mails to their support.

**mega_bassist**

Hmmm, looks like Microsoft had a change of heart regarding the daily check-ins and used/sharing games.

http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310

This could be the biggest backtrack in gaming history: Microsoft will reverse course on their DRM policies for Xbox One, dropping their 24-hour Internet check-in requirement and all restrictions on used games.

**Sigvatr**

They had no other choice. They could have either taken this route or lost the console war. And when you're faced with total defeat...M$ decided to fall on their knees, begging for forgiveness.

**Kanluwen**

Sigvatr wrote:
Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

So yes, that's Sony. Send nice E-Mails to their support.

Let's not pretend that it's Sony doing something for the gamers though.

They've known about Orbis since Microsoft licensed it from them. This is simply Sony playing to a crowd, and people buying into it as the "gamer friendly" angle.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Sigvatr wrote:
Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

Then you should thank Microsoft. The internet's reaction to the Xbone helped them make their decision to not do similiar things they were mulling over.

**Vivster**

Sigvatr wrote:
Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

So yes, that's Sony. Send nice E-Mails to their support.

Not anymore on the Xbox One we don't

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

**nomotog**

So we just need to connect when we install. Ya not enough. I say no online DRM at all. None nada zip.

**LordofHats**

This is simply Sony playing to a crowd, and people buying into it as the "gamer friendly" angle.

Sony can both take advantage of the situation and be gamer friendly if their opportunism benefits the gamer. That was kind of the point. Play to what gamers wanted i.e. giving them what they want i.e. being friendly too them and in exchange they get to sell more consoles.

Then you should thank Microsoft. The internet's reaction to the Xbone helped them make their decision to not do similiar things they were mulling over.

They would have likely never backed off had Sony gone the same route. I'm all for pointing out that Sony was just taking advantage of the situation to score themselves points but lets also be real and just admit that Sony's decision had a major impact on the direction of this next generation of consoles. Had both Sony and Microsoft gone the same route I find it unlikely either would have backed off no matter the outrage.

Kudos to Microsoft for having the balls to realize they needed to back off. XBone is back on the table. I don't like the kinect but depending on games I'll consider living with it.

**Vivster**

From Xbox's own blog

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

Also you don't need to connect it online and install every game. You just need an initial setup to configure the console to the cloud much like you did with current consoles (excluding the cloud) and then you can play game as normal like you do now. I think this is a big game changer

**Sigvatr**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

Then you should thank Microsoft. The internet's reaction to the Xbone helped them make their decision to not do similiar things they were mulling over.

Sony forced Microsoft to take that step. Microsoft did not give a single pooh about gamers. They wanted to treat them like trash. Force them into DRM hell. Only buy full-price limited licenses. And then? Sony slapped them in their face...from left to right. And what did Microsoft do? They pulled a 180. They gently bent over.

In the end, thanking Sony alone isn't true either. They simply took advantage of how poorly M$ understands the market. It's Sony's decision and, most of all, the massive uproar by the gamers. Special thanks to the guys at the Sony E3 conference. I'd imagine M$ CEOs raging when they saw it.

**daedalus-templarius**

Sigvatr wrote:
Thanks, Sony.

Yes, Sony. This was NOT Microsoft's decision. It was Sony who forced Microsoft to take this step. Sony stepped in for gamers while Microsoft spit at their faces.

Oh, and I just won 10€.

You're adorable.

**Sigvatr**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Thanks, Sony.

Yes, Sony. This was NOT Microsoft's decision. It was Sony who forced Microsoft to take this step. Sony stepped in for gamers while Microsoft spit at their faces.

Oh, and I just won 10€.

You're adorable.

That's what she said.

BAZINGA.

**Vivster**

You still have to buy the ps4 equivalent of xbox live dont you to play online. That is an additional 60 dollars.

Also now that the console is not region locked, I can get a console in America instead which is 100 pounds cheaper than getting it in the UK!

**daedalus-templarius**

Vivster wrote:
You still have to buy the ps4 equivalent of xbox live dont you to play online. That is an additional 60 dollars.

Also now that the console is not region locked, I can get a console in America instead which is 100 pounds cheaper than getting it in the UK!

You can regularly get 12 month gold subs for like $30 on amazon.

**nomotog**

I got to say even though this is a good thing. I am disappointed this didn't end in blood. If MS had gone to release whit this it would have killed them and put the fear of gamers back into the publishers and console makers.

**MandalorynOranj**

Well, this changes everything. At this point there's actually a choice to be made. I'm glad the things keeping me from getting the Xbone are gone, but it is still pricier and has the Kinect. I'm not against the Kinect itself so much, just against it being mandatory and jacking up the price.

But hey, this is great news, looks like I may be playing Halo 5 after all!

**daedalus-templarius**

Welp, family sharing between 10 friends is gone.

Thanks jerks.

**Sigvatr**

And on the bright side: we're looking at two (more or less, Sony got the superior hardware) equal competitors and it's back to the games.

...but seriously, fix Ryse. That game might be so awesome, but please, please, PLEASE do not let it really be a 100% "QTE on rails" game...

**Perkustin**

This is altogether a great development. Glad Microsoft did the right thing.

I still don't particularly want one though, that big lump with a camera on it still strikes me as a waste of money. I don't really enjoy music/rhythm games, which are the only things that kinect can enrich. I also still think the future of games according to Sony is brighter.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Too little, too late from MS for this generation I think, especially with the kinect still being shoved down my throat

**KamikazeCanuck**

Too little, too late for this generation? Ok, then....

**daedalus-templarius**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Too little, too late from MS for this generation I think, especially with the kinect still being shoved down my throat

too little too late, consoles don't launch for months.

pretty funny.

**Vivster**

How is it possibly too late? We still have FIVE months until those two plastic boxes with wires inside them come out. Did people forgive Playstation when it was hacked? Yes. Do people still use McAfee? Yes.

OK MS fethed up however E3 was just round one of the console wars. More can change up until the day they ship the console out! I am by no standard an Xbox one fanboy since I own both current gen consoles.

However some of the blind remarks that certain people make with analysing the true current situation is really irritating. At the end of the day it is a machine for playing games on! Your iphone has a camera that faces you, so does your laptop. I don't see people complaining about that.

It almost seems that the first problem that MS created has been used as a scapegoat to just undermine any further improvements they make just since people listen to what ever they are told to these days. I feel that people are not making their own decisions. Majority of people I know are basing their decisions on what X and Y have on YouTube or other websites and have not really realized what they want. If you see it there are both consoles that pretty much play the same games at pretty much the same graphics level.

**H.B.M.C.**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
You're adorable.

Why is he adoreable? Is he wrong?

We get it daed, you're a big X-Box fan and have been excusing/apologising for the shortcomings of the system since it was first announced. None of us can really figure out why you took this tact, choosing to defend ludicrious decisions like 24-hour check-ins and no trading games and whatnot, making it out as if these problems were minor, but at the end of the day we had one system offering all of these restrictions and one offering none, and you've chosen to laugh and ridicule those that don't want those restrictions.

And now Microsoft backtracks heavily with a massive mea culpa, and you're still laughing at those who disagreed with you?