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2013/05/24 13:20:11
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
A website and online radio station calling itself Truth Frequency Radio claims that the Woolwich attack was a “hoax”.
As far as I can tell, it is a US-based project run by two individuals Chris Geo and Sheree Geo (pictured).
They say the Woolwich attack “has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, The Boston Marathon Bombing and so many recent events”. In other words it believes those incidents were hoaxes too.
We’ll continue to look into this story but on the surface it seems like just another propaganda piece, nothing to really concern ourselves with and most likely a distraction while they slip more totalitarian legislation through.
And their case for calling it a “hoax”? Grainy pictures that don’t show enough blood. Err, that’s it.
Almost tickled by them claiming the spray painted markings are indicators of this.
.. almost.
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2013/05/24 13:23:54
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
MeanGreenStompa, I have to say, thank you for posting this, never heard of this guy before but he is now a legend.
Thank you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I find it hilarious that people can criticise Christianity and people laugh, when someone does the same for Islam, they are labelled a racist, its just idiotic.
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2013/05/24 13:52:17
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
MeanGreenStompa thank you for that I agree entirely with this man.
I find it hilarious that people can criticise Christianity and people laugh, when someone does the same for Islam, they are labelled a racist, its just idiotic.
Agreed, christians get told they aren't allowed wear crosses at work, but if anyone says a muslim isn't allowed to wear a burka. Then you're labelled a rascist skin-head.
2013/05/24 14:05:59
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
Wasn't their a precedent set by that woman who worked for BA and was asked not to wear her cross? She won her case IIRC.
IMHO, it's just jobsworth arseholes that cause these kind of problems. I still think appropriate and tasteful items should be allowed, but then that comes down to who judges taste?
I don't agree with people covering their face in an open society whether it's a Burka or Balaclava, but have no problems with headscarfs and other religious apparel. In saying that I think taking the route the French have is disgusting. I think people should be allowed to choose what they want to wear, but the law should apply to them equally.
mwnciboo wrote: Equally 9mm Parabellum isn't exactly a man-stopper (they were using 9mm MP5's and 9mm Glocks) it wounds but unless you hit them in the heart or the brain it's not a guaranteed killed and therefore the suspect will be wounded.
Video of take down (The whole thing happens in like 8 seconds!) NSFW - This is some serious Professionalism in a dangerous situation
I know it is a very minor point but are you sure that they were using MP5's? If you pause the video at 00:16 one of the firearms has a profile similar to a G36C, which I've also seen SO19 officers carry
A website and online radio station calling itself Truth Frequency Radio claims that the Woolwich attack was a “hoax”.
As far as I can tell, it is a US-based project run by two individuals Chris Geo and Sheree Geo (pictured).
They say the Woolwich attack “has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, The Boston Marathon Bombing and so many recent events”. In other words it believes those incidents were hoaxes too.
We’ll continue to look into this story but on the surface it seems like just another propaganda piece, nothing to really concern ourselves with and most likely a distraction while they slip more totalitarian legislation through.
And their case for calling it a “hoax”? Grainy pictures that don’t show enough blood. Err, that’s it.
Almost tickled by them claiming the spray painted markings are indicators of this.
.. almost.
Where's Alex Jones? What's his take on this??
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2013/05/24 15:36:51
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
Yeah the Media are reporting the use of H&K MP5 Carbines (Whatever the hell an MP5 Carbine is? Last I checked it was a Sub-machine gun).
Honestly, I saw MP5 on Sky News slung across the back of one of the Officers giving CPR to one of the suspects.
That said you are completely correct they do use G36's in the Capitol, mainly the cut down variant is it the C or K variant? (I'm honestly not sure)
Will try and find some better Pictures of the Trojan team.
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See the thin Magazines, definitely MP5's on those two.
The fourth Police Officer might have had a G36, cannot be sure.
Will send a "sly e-mail to a friend" and get the inside scoop. Old Boy Network - The best way to get information.
Yeah roll on Alex Jones, he will no doubt blame the "Tories".....
@Meangreenstompa - Got to say that Man above on the video should stand for Parliament as an Independent I would be honoured to have someone that intelligent and considered to be my MP.
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2013/05/24 15:42:20
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
Carbine - Probably a short magazine semi automatic. You quite often see the ART Rozzers carrying them in the Southeast, more often than not at airports.
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2013/05/24 15:47:56
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
Thing is a Carbine is a cut down rifle so should fire a Rifle Round.
9mm is a Sub-machine gun / Pistol Round. I consider it wrong to call an MP5 a Carbine, it's a Sub-Machine Gun. It can be called an Automatic Carbine, but I have never in my Military experience heard it called a Carbine. I've never heard a Police officer call it a Carbine either.
I would call an G36C a Carbine as it is a cut down Rifle firing a Rifle calibre round, it certainly isn't a Sub-machine gun.
Distinction's are important Professionally, but to the average Joe all they care about is that it's black and goes bang, when you pull the trigger.
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2013/05/24 15:50:46
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
2 men attempted to gain control of a pakistani airlines flight from Lahore. Eurofighters were scrambled and the flight was re-directed to Stansted where police were waiting.
mwnciboo wrote: Yeah the Media are reporting the use of H&K MP5 Carbines (Whatever the hell an MP5 Carbine is? Last I checked it was a Sub-machine gun).
Honestly, I saw MP5 on Sky News slung across the back of one of the Officers giving CPR to one of the suspects.
That said you are completely correct they do use G36's in the Capitol, mainly the cut down variant is it the C or K variant? (I'm honestly not sure)
Will try and find some better Pictures of the Trojan team.
See the thin Magazines, definitely MP5's on those two.
The fourth Police Officer might have had a G36, cannot be sure.
I think its just another example of reporters showing their ignorance At least they didn't go for the fallback position that every firearm is an AK-47 There is the MP5K, and MP5K PDW, both of which are shortened versions of the MP5 but the picture you have clearly shows that isn't the case. I'd imagine those officers are carrying the A5 model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Variants_list If I recall correctly it is the G36C(or possibly the KV) that SO19 carry, the K model is slightly shorter than the E model but still has the integrated optics. The C has iron sights which are often supplemented with after market optics on the rail mount.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Variants
mwnciboo wrote: @Meangreenstompa - Got to say that Man above on the video should stand for Parliament as an Independent I would be honoured to have someone that intelligent and considered to be my MP.
I'd carry him on my shoulders into parliament.
2013/05/24 16:11:24
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
mwnciboo wrote: @Meangreenstompa - Got to say that Man above on the video should stand for Parliament as an Independent I would be honoured to have someone that intelligent and considered to be my MP.
I'd carry him on my shoulders into parliament.
Do you have a transcript or cliff notes of what he said? For some reason, youtube is blocked at the moment.
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2013/05/24 16:41:18
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
PAT CONDELL for Parliament!!! Can we get this trending.....#PAT CONDELL
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2013/05/24 19:27:03
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
How many ignored warnings does it take? That is one question that should hang over Britain after the horror of the daytime murder of a British soldier on the streets of south London. On Wednesday afternoon, Drummer Lee Rigby was killed in Woolwich by two men wielding large knives and shouting "Allahu akbar"—God is great.
Islamists have been saying for years they would do this. They have planned to do it. And now they have done it.
he attack itself is not surprising. What is surprising is that British society remains so utterly unwilling not just to deal with this threat, but even to admit its existence. Politicians have called the Woolwich killing "unforgivable" and "barbarous." But expressions of anger should not really be enough.
Attempts to attack military targets in Britain go back to before the millennium and even before, it is important to note, the war on terror. In 1998 Amer Mirza, a member of the now-banned extremist group al Muhajiroun, attempted to petrol-bomb British army barracks. In 2007, a cell of Muslim men was found guilty of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier in Birmingham. The plan had been to take the soldier to a lock-up garage and cut off his head "like a pig." They wanted to film this act on camera and send it around the world to cause maximum terror.
In 2009, al Muhajiroun protested at a homecoming parade in Luton for British troops returning from Afghanistan. Carrying banners saying "go to hell," "butchers" and "terrorists," the group was protected by British police officers from an increasingly irate crowd of locals. The resulting outrage toward the police gave rise to the deeply troubling English Defence League, a street protest movement that often turns violent.
Now comes the attack in Woolwich, which the perpetrators—as with the earlier cell—wished to be observed and even filmed. Reports suggest that they invited people to capture their actions on video. The perpetrators gave interviews, machetes in hand, to bystanders with cameras. This horrific scene is something that will stick in the memory.
But it should also have been foreseen. Instead we entered the stage of denial. For there is already, in the reaction to events, more than a hint of what I have previously termed "Toulouse syndrome." The term is named after the attacks last year carried out by a jihadist called Mohammed Merah, who killed three French soldiers in a rampage that concluded with the murders of four French Jews at a school in Toulouse.
In the early stages of the attacks, when little was known, there was significant speculation that the culprit was a far-right extremist. At that stage everybody knew what they were going to say. But once the culprit turned out to be an Islamist, the gaze nearly fell away completely. "Nothing to see here, please move on" was the order of the day.
"Toulouse syndrome" also touched Boston last month. After the bombing at the marathon, media and politicians waited, hoping—some even said as much—that the attackers would be tea-party types. Then everybody would know what to say. But when it turned out to be Islamists?
So it is with the Woolwich killing, which British officials have lined up to denounce. Yes it is sickening. Of course it is barbaric. But what of it? Even all these years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2011, our societies remain unfit for purpose in facing up to—and facing down—Islamic extremism.
Too many still seek refuge in ignorance and denial that was so memorably displayed by U.S. officials after the Fort Hood shooting in 2009. A man who was a member of the American armed forces, Maj. Nidal Hasan, gunned down his colleagues while shouting "Allahu akbar." On that occasion the American government, like the French government before it and the British government this week, decided to focus on everything about the attack other than what really mattered: the motive. Fort Hood was put down to a case of workplace violence.
There will be many angles to the events in London that must be addressed in the coming days, and we can hope many will receive the appropriate level of public attention. Among them will be one particularly unpleasant irony.
Most of the extremists who have repeatedly expressed their hatred of British soldiers are themselves supported by the British state. A prominent hate-preacher—Anjem Choudary, a leader of the disbanded al Muhajiroun—was even caught on video earlier this year extolling Britain's "jihad-seekers' allowance." As he explained to his followers, "The normal situation, really, is to take money from the kafir"—a slur for non-Muslims. "Allahu akbar. We take the money."
After the video showed up online, a BBC reporter asked Mr. Choudary to clarify how much he's taking—the press has long reported a sum of £25,000 ($37,770) per year. "It's irrelevant," Mr. Choudary replied.
This would not be the first time a country has paid both sides in a conflict. But if the reported figure is anywhere near accurate, it would surely be the first time in human history that a society has paid its opponents better than it pays its own. A British soldier can expect to start in the army on a salary of around £16,000 ($24,172).
The events in south London must cause a re-evaluation by British society of the insanity we have been permitting. The question is not how sad we feel. The only question should be what we do about it.
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2013/05/24 19:39:44
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
You know what, Sandy Hook has been a bit of a Scar on the US Conciousness about "Gun Ownership".
This has been a scar on the UK Conciousness about how "vulnerable and unprotected we are".
I used to think that the US & UK were "two nations divided by a common language". We are more alike than we care to admit, there must be a middle ground between these two extremes.
Paying that b****** Anjem Choudary, a leader of the disbanded al Muhajiroun, £24,000 a year from our Tax to live our country and preach hate, less than we pay a Soldier is indeed complete insanity.
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2013/05/24 19:42:33
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
Really I watch alot of US NEWS and it's been a pretty hot topic of debate, and in the houses. You had Gabby Giffords and her husband addressing the houses, President Obama giving speeches on it, the NRA laying out it's stall, the Vice-President trying to get the bill that he originally passed and had expired re-instated, even that bloody idiot Piers Morgan has been all over it on CNN. All the talk of vetting and banned lists for people who are criminals or mentally ill......Sorry have I missed something, when something like this is reported alot across the Pond then by definition it must be a major issue for most Americans.
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2013/05/24 19:50:25
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
mwnciboo wrote: Paying that b****** Anjem Choudary, a leader of the disbanded al Muhajiroun, £24,000 a year from our Tax to live our country and preach hate, less than we pay a Soldier is indeed complete insanity.
We pay him?
We PAY him??
2013/05/24 19:56:11
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
"Mr. Murray is an associate director of the Henry Jackson Society, a London-based think tank."
And that proves what exactly? Being a member of a think tank doesn't mean anything other than the writer has an agenda that they are attempting to lobby Parliament with. Look at think tanks like Migration Watch or the Centre for Social Justice and you will see how little attention is paid to facts and evidence when they stand in the way of rhetoric.
2013/05/24 20:45:49
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
"Mr. Murray is an associate director of the Henry Jackson Society, a London-based think tank."
And that proves what exactly? Being a member of a think tank doesn't mean anything other than the writer has an agenda that they are attempting to lobby Parliament with. Look at think tanks like Migration Watch or the Centre for Social Justice and you will see how little attention is paid to facts and evidence when they stand in the way of rhetoric.
Okay... then, help out this redneck 'Murrican then... what was he wrong about?
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2013/05/24 20:50:08
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Not egging this but....is UK Parliament getting ready to start a push for new laws?
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2013/05/24 20:55:41
Subject: Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
mwnciboo wrote: Really I watch alot of US NEWS and it's been a pretty hot topic of debate, and in the houses. You had Gabby Giffords and her husband addressing the houses, President Obama giving speeches on it, the NRA laying out it's stall, the Vice-President trying to get the bill that he originally passed and had expired re-instated, even that bloody idiot Piers Morgan has been all over it on CNN. All the talk of vetting and banned lists for people who are criminals or mentally ill......Sorry have I missed something, when something like this is reported alot across the Pond then by definition it must be a major issue for most Americans.
Thats not a scar. They were pushing an Agenda and using a crisis to do it. Sandy Hook is a scar because kids died. having said that no one will remember in 18 months. We're like that.
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2013/05/24 20:57:36
Subject: Re:Soldier killed in Woolwich in a possible terrorist attack
"Mr. Murray is an associate director of the Henry Jackson Society, a London-based think tank."
And that proves what exactly? Being a member of a think tank doesn't mean anything other than the writer has an agenda that they are attempting to lobby Parliament with. Look at think tanks like Migration Watch or the Centre for Social Justice and you will see how little attention is paid to facts and evidence when they stand in the way of rhetoric.
Okay... then, help out this redneck 'Murrican then... what was he wrong about?
Help out a brit as well, i agree with him. What is exactly being done by this country to stop extremist preaching, it's never gone away we've just looked away and covered our ears.
