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That little tracked vehicle on the right.

I'm not sure I have enough room on my table for something like that.

Well, maybe, but the battle would have to be fought either on or in it.

That looks like a Capitol Imperialis, which is an IG unit, which people in this thread object to.

JWhex wrote:
That looks like a Capitol Imperialis, which is an IG unit, which people in this thread object to.

But it has a fleur-de-lis on it...

That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.

 Lynata wrote:


That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.

And in 100 years, we'll be playing WH40k with three of them as Heavy Support, and a Sister of Battle will cost 2 points.

The appearance of the epic model is limited by the fact it was made a very long time ago. I have seen both epic and 40k scale Capitol Imperialis vehicles scratch built that look not unlike the one in the picture.

A Capitol Imperialis would be a poor choice for a 40k model because its role was to transport an entire company of vehicles. I just dont get the sense that the sisters routinely operate on a scale large enough to need or even desire a CI.

I also get the idea that the sisters would not especially enjoy having to put up with a lot of cogboys that would be needed to keep a levithan or a capitol imperialis running. In Faith and Fire one sister even dismisses space marines as abhumans and martians seem more alien to me than space marines.

Technically, nobody is talking about a Capitol Imperialis but you, based on the assumption that an old model (which by your own admission does not look like the one on the image) is for some reason supposed to be the same, which in turn is based on the assumption that the Imperium can only have one class of tracked fortress, ever. I also don't see why some fans disregarding the original models when scratch-building their homemade tanks should have any effect on the idea.

At the end of the day, we have a Codex artwork with a huge tracked cathedral with the SoB logo on it, 's all I'm saying.
And the Major Orders actually do seem to operate on this scale at least on semi-regular fashion, given that it's the "Big Six" that traverse the entire Imperium in an effort to deploy troops to various important hot spots, filling in for the locally limited and much smaller Minor Orders.
It's probably some sort of mobile command post, although that is pure speculation and there are probably a dozen other possible uses for such a monstrosity.

On a sidenote, GW fluff (specifically the article on Rhinos in WD #269) mentioned that the Sisterhood has its own staff of personnel "sanctioned and pure of heart" to care for their equipment and vehicles. It's probably little difference whether the Sororitas need to care for entire armoured formations of Rhinos, Immolators and Exorcists as well as their flyers and starships, or whether they also have to assign a few of these "cog girls" to the service of some mobile cathedral. In the grand scale of things, this wouldn't really be pushing their capabilities. The Sororitas are small, but they're not that small that a dozen additional techs per Order (and a small army of servitors) would be too much.

 Lynata wrote:
Technically, nobody is talking about a Capitol Imperialis but you, based on the assumption that an old model (which by your own admission does not look like the one on the image) is for some reason supposed to be the same, which in turn is based on the assumption that the Imperium can only have one class of tracked fortress, ever.

At the end of the day, we have a Codex artwork with a huge tracked cathedral with the SoB logo on it, 's all I'm saying.
And the Major Orders actually do seem to operate on this scale at least on semi-regular fashion, given that it's the "Big Six" that traverse the entire Imperium in an effort to deploy troops to various important hot spots, filling in for the locally limited and much smaller Minor Orders.
It's probably some sort of mobile command post, although that is pure speculation and there are probably a dozen other possible uses for such a monstrosity.

On a sidenote, GW fluff (specifically the article on Rhinos in WD #269) mentioned that the Sisterhood has its own staff of personnel "sanctioned and pure of heart" to care for their equipment and vehicles. It's probably little difference whether the Sororitas need to care for entire armoured formations of Rhinos, Immolators and Exorcists as well as their flyers and starships, or whether they also have to assign a few of these "cog girls" to the service of some mobile cathedral. In the grand scale of things, this wouldn't really be pushing their capabilities. The Sororitas are small, but they're not that small that a dozen additional techs per Order (and a small army of servitors) would be too much.

I never said anything about the imperium having one giant tracked vehicle, I have had leviathans and an Imperial Hellebore in my epic collection, probably since before you were out of diapers.

I am curious where it is described that the SoB have starships like you said, I would expect that they would be delivered by the Imperial Navy. Likewise, there is nowhere that I know of that describes the SoB as operating flyers. Wouldnt this also be a job for the Imperial Navy?

Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.

Penitent Engine. A plastic kit that could be built into two different versions, say a lighter version armed with a heavy flamer, two close combat weapons and a jump pack as a fast attack choice and a heavier version with longer range, higher power weapons for fire support, a heavy choice.

Check out the Voss Lightning Strike Fighter from Forgeworld. Make this in plastic and make it a Fast Attack choice for the Sisters. Include icons for the popular Space Marine chapters and let them take it too. GW will sell tons of them.

A plastic kit that can make all of the various Sisters units, much like the Grey Knights Strike Squad kit.

A vehicle conversion kit that lets you take a Rhino and convert it to the various Sisters vehicles. Also points and stats for the available Forgeworld vehicle models. Maybe conversion bits for a Sisters Predator tank.

As GW's concept time for new units and their names is 5 seconds max, it will be a Penitent Knight, which is a blown up penitent engine with a cathedral on its shoulders, big template flamer or sword in one hand and shield in the other.

A baneblade or similar base and big Cathedral top would be great

In terms of scale an individual Sororitas Order is larger than most individual Astartes Chapters so the required support staff for their starships and heavy stuff should not be a major issue. The only real difference is that most Marines have Chapter serfs or similar.....

Since SoB requisition units from the Navy/IG I'd say Baneblades and their variants. I wouldn't say no to a special SoB Warhound variant though.

some big stupid throne thing on wheels being pulled by man slaves who are getting whipped by repentia drivers with lots of toilet paper rolls hanging down everywhere.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Ozomoto wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.

Sorry, but did you call the dark angels fliers awseome?

Yeah I like the whole slim batwing look it has. It actually looks like a stealth fighter.


But for large kits for each army, as it stands,

Imperial guard-Valkyrie
Blood Angels-Stormraven
Tyranids-Trygon and Tyrannofex
Eldar-Wraithknight
Chaos marines- The dragon
Tau-Riptide
Grey Knights-Dreadknight

Thats quite a big block of the recent codexes. Only Necrons, Dark Eldar and Dark Angels haven't had an obviously big new kit.

If the stormraven counts for Blood Angels then you have to include the Monolith for Necrons. Also, I think the fact that Dark Angels didn't get a super massive unit shows that not ever army HAS to get one.

I'm inclined to agree that it would be something like a mobile fortress-monastary... sort of like a Necron monalith in some ways.

JWhex wrote:I am curious where it is described that the SoB have starships like you said, I would expect that they would be delivered by the Imperial Navy. Likewise, there is nowhere that I know of that describes the SoB as operating flyers. Wouldnt this also be a job for the Imperial Navy?

Their very first appearance in the original Rogue Trader book (as later re-validated by the designer's notes for the 3E Codex) and the 2E Codex Imperialis.
It's one of the small details that just doesn't get widely propagated - some licensed products occasionally make use of this potential, though, such as the DoW expansion Soulstorm, whereas GW fluff generally just lets them appear at places, not bothering with how they got there.

It makes sense when you think about it - they're basically "church police" (often expanding their mandate on other Imperial forces as well), and being dependent on clergy-manipulated Navy vessels would be a hindrance to their duties. Also, it would drag the Imperium at large into many conflicts that otherwise remain contained to "SoB vs X", such as their punitive expedition to Fenris.

 Shandara wrote:
Since SoB requisition units from the Navy/IG I'd say Baneblades and their variants. I wouldn't say no to a special SoB Warhound variant though.

Neither the Guard or the Navy have any access to Titans (in current fluff) - the Adeptus Mechanicus controls all Titans in the Imperium and a good proportion of specialist Super Heavy vehicles - however a mobile cathedral would be great - looking at some of the Dystopian Wars models for Epic scale conversions now

What they should get: a church on tracks, like my counts-as Stormlord.

What they'd probably get: some stupid Penitent Engine thing.

Going off of the Baneblade idea..

Just have a Baneblade, but replace all the cannons with giant flame-throwers. The sponsons are Multi-Meltas or something.

And build a Church on it. And the Church has a giant laser on the top. Because why not?

They'll get this. But bigger.

 washout77 wrote:
Going off of the Baneblade idea..

Just have a Baneblade, but replace all the cannons with giant flame-throwers. The sponsons are Multi-Meltas or something.

And build a Church on it. And the Church has a giant laser on the top. Because why not?

I built mine with hellstorm flamers on the sponsons, multi-meltas for the turrets and a big Vulcan Mega Bolter on the main turret. It doesn't have a church on top though, sorry.

 Kroothawk wrote:
As GW's concept time for new units and their names is 5 seconds max, it will be a Penitent Knight, which is a blown up penitent engine with a cathedral on its shoulders, big template flamer or sword in one hand and shield in the other.

My gosh! How does Kroothawk get this inside information!


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 Pouncey wrote:

 Lynata wrote:


That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.

And in 100 years, we'll be playing WH40k with three of them as Heavy Support, and a Sister of Battle will cost 2 points.

I don't buy it.

I refuse to believe the SoB will get a new codex or models in the next 100 years.

Same place as I did:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/414679.page#3640603

Shame the pictures are down. Guy was years ahead of GW with his naming sense!

Anyway from the Dakka gallery here's some ideas.

Whoah. I've seen the last one already, but the two middle ones are new to me, and quite brilliant.

Personally, I'd probably opt for the 3rd one (though it slightly resembles this Space Marine supertank I vaguely remember from Epic 40k) and remove some of the weapons, as it looks very close to the cool Codex artwork already. Working from that idea, it'd just need some cool ability/function to be useful in spite of (apparently) not sporting a lot of big guns...

Also:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I don't buy it.
I refuse to believe the SoB will get a new codex or models in the next 100 years.

A healthy dose of cynism really does make taking the cruel truth behind it so much easier.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.

Sisters of Battle already have a 6+ invulnerable save.

Celestians with storm shields and power swords.

The Canoness being the only possible "paladin" (in terms of equipment) always bothered me a bit, especially since the Celestians are supposed to be her bodyguards. And now they went and put a male knightly CC unit into the male Ecclesiarchy Conclave - in the SoB army. Durr.

 Lynata wrote:
Celestians with storm shields and power swords.

The Canoness being the only possible "paladin" (in terms of equipment) always bothered me a bit, especially since the Celestians are supposed to be her bodyguards. And now they went and put a male knightly CC unit into the male Ecclesiarchy Conclave - in the SoB army. Durr.

I use some Reaper Minis models in place of the Crusaders. : D

I imagine with the giant walker theme, it would be a super penitent engine, a cross between the standard penitent engine, and a dreadknight-esque model.

Someone must have been really, -really- bad.

The scary thing is, with Karamazov there already is a precedent for that...

Granted, that was Witch Hunters / Ordo Hereticus, but they *did* share a book for two editions.