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With the amount of money GW make off new releases each month, it's hard to see why they wouldn't do a new codex for them.

We all know that Matt Ward would butcher it anyway, giving them Sigismund as a buffed Emperor's Champ alternative, a Flyer that carpet bombs using Holy Orbs of Antioch, a Monstrous Creature that's a Dreadknight-come-Titan with a sword the size of a Baneblade and can assault after Deep Striking, and some dodgy underlying Knights of the Round Table theme to the whole thing.

As long as they were returned to their rightful place as the go-to guys for Space Marine close combat funzies, I'd pick them back up again. "Enemy models that are charged by any unit from the Codex: Black Templars" army book cannot fire overwatch." - Job done, BT CC goodness returns!!!

Enceladus wrote:
With the amount of money GW make off new releases each month, it's hard to see why they wouldn't do a new codex for them.

We all know that Matt Ward would butcher it anyway, giving them Sigismund as a buffed Emperor's Champ alternative, a Flyer that carpet bombs using Holy Orbs of Antioch, a Monstrous Creature that's a Dreadknight-come-Titan with a sword the size of a Baneblade and can assault after Deep Striking, and some dodgy underlying Knights of the Round Table theme to the whole thing.

As long as they were returned to their rightful place as the go-to guys for Space Marine close combat funzies, I'd pick them back up again. "Enemy models that are charged by any unit from the Codex: Black Templars" army book cannot fire overwatch." - Job done, BT CC goodness returns!!!

I would do this with grenades that negate Overwatch. Free frags but pay for BT grenades. Were already used to paying for nades already...

Charging from Zeal would be a nice touch. Used to be able to do it too.

I fear they will be integrated into the SM codex.

I think they'll update the Ork Codex next, but down the line I'd imagine they'll update the other Space Marine Chapter Codices - maybe even introduce new ones.

Has GW ever taken something from FW and had it listed on their site with the core models? The reason I am asking is because I think the chaplain dreadnought would make a perfect addition to the Black Templar codex.

 Icculus wrote:
Has GW ever taken something from FW and had it listed on their site with the core models? The reason I am asking is because I think the chaplain dreadnought would make a perfect addition to the Black Templar codex.

Not really, but they did take the Trygon model and develop a similar plastic model from it.

Whether we like them or not, Black Templars will most likely recieve a new codex in the future. Why? Because it makes no sense to cut a product line that sells.

actually i just read in the Space Marines rumor thread that there had been some issues since the Baneblade came over from FW. it screwed over FW's profits and only marginally affected GWs. So some story about how they will not be moving very much over from here forward.

Anyway, Sigismund would be a very cool addition to the codex, or even their own Land Raider Crusader. BA have their predator, the BT should have their LRC.

 Icculus wrote:
actually i just read in the Space Marines rumor thread that there had been some issues since the Baneblade came over from FW. it screwed over FW's profits and only marginally affected GWs. So some story about how they will not be moving very much over from here forward.

Anyway, Sigismund would be a very cool addition to the codex, or even their own Land Raider Crusader. BA have their predator, the BT should have their LRC.

The LRC is the 'BT LRC' the BT's found the design for it and then distributed among the other chapters (BTs can share)

 macc92 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
actually i just read in the Space Marines rumor thread that there had been some issues since the Baneblade came over from FW. it screwed over FW's profits and only marginally affected GWs. So some story about how they will not be moving very much over from here forward.

Anyway, Sigismund would be a very cool addition to the codex, or even their own Land Raider Crusader. BA have their predator, the BT should have their LRC.

The LRC is the 'BT LRC' the BT's found the design for it and then distributed among the other chapters (BTs can share)

I know it's their design to begin with ,but after all of these years you would think they would have had some more time to develop it, or perhaps would have the actual original design while the design everyone is using now was actually a modified version.

 Icculus wrote:

 macc92 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
actually i just read in the Space Marines rumor thread that there had been some issues since the Baneblade came over from FW. it screwed over FW's profits and only marginally affected GWs. So some story about how they will not be moving very much over from here forward.

Anyway, Sigismund would be a very cool addition to the codex, or even their own Land Raider Crusader. BA have their predator, the BT should have their LRC.

The LRC is the 'BT LRC' the BT's found the design for it and then distributed among the other chapters (BTs can share)

I know it's their design to begin with ,but after all of these years you would think they would have had some more time to develop it, or perhaps would have the actual original design while the design everyone is using now was actually a modified version.

Um, like a blessed hull? Already in there.

 Icculus wrote:

 macc92 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
actually i just read in the Space Marines rumor thread that there had been some issues since the Baneblade came over from FW. it screwed over FW's profits and only marginally affected GWs. So some story about how they will not be moving very much over from here forward.

Anyway, Sigismund would be a very cool addition to the codex, or even their own Land Raider Crusader. BA have their predator, the BT should have their LRC.

The LRC is the 'BT LRC' the BT's found the design for it and then distributed among the other chapters (BTs can share)

I know it's their design to begin with ,but after all of these years you would think they would have had some more time to develop it, or perhaps would have the actual original design while the design everyone is using now was actually a modified version.

Read the BT fluff, changes are not really that tolerated, especially when it come to ancient tech like Land Raiders. It took a while for the designs to be accepted even by the Tech-priests, much less other Marine Chapters.

Changes aren't all that tolerated, but the changes that do get accepted are always the best. That's why the LRC WAS accepted. Because it was a great idea. GW could easily write some fluff about how a LRC was modified to fit a very serious or dire situation and now has a demolisher cannon and 5 typhoon missile launchers on it. Okay that example is extreme but you get the idea.

First off lets get one thing straight Black Templars WILL NOT in any way shape or form be rolled into the Codex: Space Marines. With the advent of Supplemental Codices, BT at worst, are likely to get one of these if we don't get a full codex. To be honest if anything armies are going to be REMOVED from Codex: Space Marines and given Supplemental Codices as well. All the Xenos players need to stop complaining that "there are too much Power Armour Codices" as GW is not wasting any time redoing your Codices, you guys have seen the vast majority of updates post 6th (and I think you should mind you). Right now there is a perfect balance between Imperial and Xenos (8 to 8 Codices) and I'm sorry that all but one Imperial Codex has Power Armour but tough, thats life, deal with it. The internet communitity needs to abandon this absured "BT getting rolled" crap and focus on something more believible...

@d3m01iti0n I'm with you in this fight as a fellow Black Templar!!!!!

Marshal Ommadon wrote:
First off lets get one thing straight Black Templars WILL NOT in any way shape or form be rolled into the Codex: Space Marines. With the advent of Supplemental Codices, BT at worst, are likely to get one of these if we don't get a full codex. To be honest if anything armies are going to be REMOVED from Codex: Space Marines and given Supplemental Codices as well. All the Xenos players need to stop complaining that "there are too much Power Armour Codices" as GW is not wasting any time redoing your Codices, you guys have seen the vast majority of updates post 6th (and I think you should mind you). Right now there is a perfect balance between Imperial and Xenos (8 to 8 Codices) and I'm sorry that all but one Imperial Codex has Power Armour but tough, thats life, deal with it. The internet communitity needs to abandon this absured "BT getting rolled" crap and focus on something more believible...

@d3m01iti0n I'm with you in this fight as a fellow Black Templar!!!!!

First post, cool story bro.

Roll Roll The Black Templars up.

Supplement makes the most sense, ala the upcoming Eldar book. The good thing about it is the ability to:

1. Say current when the C:SM gets updated again.
2. Allows other supplements to expand additional chapters beyond a special character or two.
3. I like books.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Marshal Ommadon wrote:
First off lets get one thing straight Black Templars WILL NOT in any way shape or form be rolled into the Codex: Space Marines. With the advent of Supplemental Codices, BT at worst, are likely to get one of these if we don't get a full codex. To be honest if anything armies are going to be REMOVED from Codex: Space Marines and given Supplemental Codices as well. All the Xenos players need to stop complaining that "there are too much Power Armour Codices" as GW is not wasting any time redoing your Codices, you guys have seen the vast majority of updates post 6th (and I think you should mind you). Right now there is a perfect balance between Imperial and Xenos (8 to 8 Codices) and I'm sorry that all but one Imperial Codex has Power Armour but tough, thats life, deal with it. The internet communitity needs to abandon this absured "BT getting rolled" crap and focus on something more believible...

@d3m01iti0n I'm with you in this fight as a fellow Black Templar!!!!!

First post, cool story bro.

Oranges are round.

As long as we are saying things that are irrelevant I wanted to jump in.

But seriously, that's like hearing someone in a debate give a poignant and relatively well spoken response, then dismissing him because he is wearing a red shirt. Sounds like modern politics.

Its DakkaDakka man. That kind of crap is par for the course. Personally if I want worthwhile conversation I post elsewhere.

Though I admit it will be fun when I necro this thread with a pic of me holding the new BT book.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Its DakkaDakka man. That kind of crap is par for the course. Personally if I want worthwhile conversation I post elsewhere.

Though I admit it will be fun when I necro this thread with a pic of me holding the new BT book.

Haha that will be a pretty good necro post. I'll exalt it.

 Icculus wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Its DakkaDakka man. That kind of crap is par for the course. Personally if I want worthwhile conversation I post elsewhere.

Though I admit it will be fun when I necro this thread with a pic of me holding the new BT book.

Haha that will be a pretty good necro post. I'll exalt it.

As will I, I'd be happy for my thread to be necro'd by that because I want a new BT book. The only reason I put this up is to see what people thought, never knew DA had a similar one

Marshal Ommadon wrote:
First off lets get one thing straight Black Templars WILL NOT in any way shape or form be rolled into the Codex: Space Marines.

Such certainty is based on...?

With the advent of Supplemental Codices, BT at worst, are likely to get one of these if we don't get a full codex.

perhaps, but these books also aren't really sub-lists from what it's sounding like so far, more like the WHFB Heraldry book unless something new has popped up.

To be honest if anything armies are going to be REMOVED from Codex: Space Marines and given Supplemental Codices as well.

Again, based on...?

All the Xenos players need to stop complaining that "there are too much Power Armour Codices" as GW is not wasting any time redoing your Codices, you guys have seen the vast majority of updates post 6th (and I think you should mind you).

6E armies as of today:

Chaos Space Marines
Dark Angels
Chaos Daemons
Tau.

How are Xenos the vast majority of 6E updates? There's exactly 1 Xenos book in there, 2 if you really want to count Daemons amongst them. The other two are Space Marines.

Right now there is a perfect balance between Imperial and Xenos (8 to 8 Codices) and I'm sorry that all but one Imperial Codex has Power Armour but tough, thats life, deal with it. The internet communitity needs to abandon this absured "BT getting rolled" crap and focus on something more believible...

Nobody is saying for certain that it is, only "should it be?" and "it's possible".

 Icculus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Marshal Ommadon wrote:
First off lets get one thing straight Black Templars WILL NOT in any way shape or form be rolled into the Codex: Space Marines. With the advent of Supplemental Codices, BT at worst, are likely to get one of these if we don't get a full codex. To be honest if anything armies are going to be REMOVED from Codex: Space Marines and given Supplemental Codices as well. All the Xenos players need to stop complaining that "there are too much Power Armour Codices" as GW is not wasting any time redoing your Codices, you guys have seen the vast majority of updates post 6th (and I think you should mind you). Right now there is a perfect balance between Imperial and Xenos (8 to 8 Codices) and I'm sorry that all but one Imperial Codex has Power Armour but tough, thats life, deal with it. The internet communitity needs to abandon this absured "BT getting rolled" crap and focus on something more believible...

@d3m01iti0n I'm with you in this fight as a fellow Black Templar!!!!!

First post, cool story bro.

Oranges are round.

As long as we are saying things that are irrelevant I wanted to jump in.

But seriously, that's like hearing someone in a debate give a poignant and relatively well spoken response, then dismissing him because he is wearing a red shirt. Sounds like modern politics.

Considering his major argument is simply down to "Stop arguing because nothings gonna happen!". Which, one can argue all they want about.

Regardless of the fact, having an imperial balance to xenos (I'm sorry what?) Nobody cares, it's still too much, I play chaos and it's still too much! It makes the Meta far too close with too many space marine armies, I wouldn't mind seeing more "Less power armored" armies simply because we might actually see something beyond 4/4/4/4/3+ as the standard.

Then you would love Black Templars with their 10 Crusader/10 initiate blobs. (initiates is BT for Scout). Thats plenty of 4+ armor for you to shoot down before the righteous zeal gets to your doorstep.

I still don't see why BT deserve their own codex. With GW grasping (poorly) back to its roots (the idea of 6th being like 2nd),

if you play BTs you should be worried. The BTs started as a 4 page list of reprinted rules with a few minor exceptions.

They had totake the Emperors Champion, they had access to the Crusader, Storm Shields on jump infantry, Zeal and Vows.

In other words... To capture the oringinal feel of the BT all that is needed is a character who grants Zeal, Vows and can take a body guard with sheilds.

This character? The Emperors Champion.

Done. One small paragraph in the Characters section of the new Space Marine Codex.

Weve had this conversation man. The same could be said for any chapter outside of the Smurfs. They started will small changes and have been since expanded upon. BT is sitting on that threshold. Their playstyle is unique enough now with a 9 year old book that there is a ton of potential to expand that feel. How do you think DA and BA got where they are today? Updates.

That being said, you better be at my place the 8th! Feel the wrath of the Pabst Crusade!!&

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Weve had this conversation man. The same could be said for any chapter outside of the Smurfs. They started will small changes and have been since expanded upon. BT is sitting on that threshold. Their playstyle is unique enough now with a 9 year old book that there is a ton of potential to expand that feel. How do you think DA and BA got where they are today? Updates.

That being said, you better be at my place the 8th! Feel the wrath of the Pabst Crusade!!&

Hmm... BTs have Helbrect, Grimaldus and the Emperors Champion. Then Sword Bretheren. Did I leave out anything unique? Oh yeah they take Marines and Scouts in one squad.

Blood Angel have Dante, the Sanguinor, Mephiston, Astorath, Curbulo, Tycho, Furioso, Furioso Libby, Death Company, DC Dread, Sanguinary Guard and Baal Preds.

Dark Angels have a ton of unique stuff as well. The BTs are just space marines with a few minor rules. BA and DA are two armies with several unique units and rules.

Don't get me started on Space Wolves.

Did you just ignore the part where he said they have had time to update? Let's go back 9 years and look at what the Dark Angels had then, or what the Blood Angels had.

 Icculus wrote:
Did you just ignore the part where he said they have had time to update? Let's go back 9 years and look at what the Dark Angels had then, or what the Blood Angels had.

Everything they have now. Except one character and a dred. The BTs have had years to update. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

The blood angels originally had a few special characters and death company if my memory serves me correctly, maybe not even that. The 5th ed update crammed them full of new stuff. You have to remember that when BT were being done GW was in a minimalist phase of codex development where everything was streamlined and cut down. (Eg compare 3rd ed CSM to 4th ed CSM) so their design process was slap a few special rules on them, add one or two new units and make a slight modification to tac marines and call it a day. However they have an opportunity to do a really unique and vastly improved Templar codex this edition with new plastic kits that allow them to go nuts on skulls and purity seals and all those little grim dark things that GW designers get off on. I seriously doubt that they will let an opportunity like that go to waste considering how well space marines in general sell.

Blood Angels were a white dwarf supplement when the BT codex came out. two years later they got their first codex, then in 2010 they got their 5th edition update.

You are right, they have had years to update, and it is about time they did so.

 Icculus wrote:
You are right, they have had years to update, and it is about time they did so.

Agreed, sooner the better. I tried BT a few months back and they were pretty good (if a little fiddly and out of date). They are the nearest thing we have to Great Crusade SM because that's basically what they're doing even 10,000 years on. They've been in the shadows for too long and I seriously hope they do them right.