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I'd prefer you use a GW model as the base, and sub in some non gee dub bits to round out your conversions. That being said, I love the Raging Heroes minis, and I'm always up for any deviation if it makes your army look cool.

You know, I think I can be honest about the fact that what matters most to me in my games is not whether I win or lose, it's how cool I look to the other gamers while I'm doing it. Yeah, I know that's screwed up, but winning doesn't give me nearly the satisfaction of some random card player walking by our sweet table set up in a dynamic fashion with awesome terrain, being warred over by some amazing looking minis, and stopping whatever they're doing to slaver over our armies. That's my greatest satisfaction in the hobby. And if your third party minis help me get more of that, then by all means rock on.

I'm a bit of a purist so I don't run them myself, but if the stand-ins look the part I'm happy to fight them.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I'd prefer you use a GW model as the base, and sub in some non gee dub bits to round out your conversions. That being said, I love the Raging Heroes minis, and I'm always up for any deviation if it makes your army look cool.

You know, I think I can be honest about the fact that what matters most to me in my games is not whether I win or lose, it's how cool I look to the other gamers while I'm doing it. Yeah, I know that's screwed up, but winning doesn't give me nearly the satisfaction of some random card player walking by our sweet table set up in a dynamic fashion with awesome terrain, being warred over by some amazing looking minis, and stopping whatever they're doing to slaver over our armies. That's my greatest satisfaction in the hobby. And if your third party minis help me get more of that, then by all means rock on.

I so agree with this. I played a game last weekend and used an all Nurgle daemon list for the first time. 100% painted and based.

Twice our game was interupted by some kids and their parents. The kids loved my GUO. It was the first time the GUO left the house and it made the hours painting him all worth it.

Well, it think this would be fine as long as the proxy models have the same size as the original ones.

I did buy the raging heroes box set for some female Inquisitors.

The Kurganovas Limited Edition Box

http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/kurganovas-sf

 Mythra wrote:
I did buy the raging heroes box set for some female Inquisitors.

The Kurganovas Limited Edition Box

http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/kurganovas-sf

I got those as well, for commissars though. They just fill the position well

For me it depends on how readily the units can be identified. The easier it is the less I care. So an IG army where all the troops are Wargames Factory plastics, but all clearly are IG, have specific and identifiable heavy weapons, etc. and supported by tamiya plastic tanks that can easily be classified as leman russ, or basilisk or whatever, or even huey models in place of vendettas. It all works for me. Now go the other extreme, where the army is very esoteric and full of customizations and custom scultped minis where everything is a "counts as" type thing and I get way too confused. Makes it hard to enjoy a game when you can't identify what you are dealing with half the time.

My usual Tau opponent has a much smaller army than I do, so occasionally we will play larger battles with half of his army made of up of paper printed forces. We can play a larger scale game, he gets to use his own force and it is still fun. Worked fine for me.

Skriker

 Firehead158 wrote:
I voted "Depends"

I am of the mind that if you "40K" it out, and it looks similar to something you'd see in game, I'm fine with it. If you plop an M1 Abrams tank on the table to count-as Vanquisher Leman Russ, I wanna see 40K bits and markings on it. Heavy Stubber/Storm bolter with an IG commander sticking out of the cupola, make a dozer blade. I'm sure you get the idea.

1/35th scale HINDs make great Valkyries/Vendettas with the few bits and some creative modeling.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Eh, sure, my Guard army is mostly non-GW, moving towards entirely non-GW as far as infantry is concerned because I field a female regiment.

The old Guardwoman problem - I want to see this army, it sounds cool and fluffy.

Do it - As long as WYSIWYG wheres the issue?

I assume we are talking friendly games

Voted depends even though probably 70-80% of my IG army is 3rd party.

I'm always cool with 3rd party models, but it better be close to what it's supposed to represent, and make sense in the game.

For example, using napoleonic infantry for guardsmen is cool and all, but you better go through the effort to convert them in some way to make them fit in better with the setting. Just plopping down guys with muskets and making 0 effort to make them look like an IG army wouldn't fly with me.

You should have included an "is there any other way to play" option! My username says it all really.....

 dementedwombat wrote:
I honestly don't care what models people use as long as the opponent is reasonably consistant and explains "counts as" before the game. I've played a guy who ran an entire army of those green plastic army men because we decided to play 40k and he didn't have his army with him.

Need more players like you mate. I've just found myself some IG scale army men that are approximately 2% of the cost of a regular one... gonna get my blob guard on for like $20

 Creeping Dementia wrote:
Lately I have been trying to use as many models from Raging Heroes as I can, they are fantastic and good representations of WYSIWYG for 40k, and just plain better than the GW stuff. My Lady Malys model and Bloodbrides are from them (both of which have no official GW models). They have more stuff coming out that I'll use for Guard too. Scribor and others have some excellent stuff for Marines, Orks, etc.

Wanna help a guy out with a list of some good 3rd party mini makers for Orks? I know about Kromlech already, but while their stuff is damn good it isn't any cheaper...

I've got no problem - in fact, my Vampire Counts army uses some non-GW female vampires.

I do like it when the non GW stuff fits the armies aesthetic though.

Honestly I hate Necron cryptek's and destroyer lords. Some of the lord models aren't that flash either...

There is also no representation for any Cryptek gear.

I love GW but I have no problems with proxying models for the above as I don't feel like the current ones are good enough.


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On a side note I just checked out the female models from Raging Hero's.. THAT is what sisters of battle should look like!

Kurganovas and the Blood Vestals (covering the breasts of course)

Rather than nuns...

This thread inspired me to apply paint to army man and see how it turned out. Would be interested to hear if you guys (the ones that would play against non GW models) would play against it.

I've placed the model next to a really, really ugly guardsman I got in a bits box for a size comparison. Please ignore the white face, I don't have any skin coloured paints so its just a base layer for when I get some. They'll also be mounted on the appropriate base. Sadly this is the best picture my thousand dollar camera wanted to take tonight (seriously, wtf thousand dollar camera?!). Just a five minute job, so little things like boots and gloves aren't done yet, but you can get the gist of how it will look.

That's.... not that bad. I'd play against it.

You know the best part? At 200 for $4 NZD (the price of a single Ork), the base is gonna cost me more than the model. Even after you take out the binoculars guys and other rubbish they cost like 2 cents each

The army guy looks better than I'd expected. I don't think it quite matches the 40k aesthetic, but it could. Either way, I'd play you. Besides, his slightly smaller scale will just make my SW look scarier.

 Dakkamite wrote:
You know the best part? At 200 for $4 NZD (the price of a single Ork), the base is gonna cost me more than the model. Even after you take out the binoculars guys and other rubbish they cost like 2 cents each

Use a binoculars guy as a Master of Ordnance! : D

If they're actually useful, that is... : /

I voted for "Its fine". I did that because I don't see a problem with it so long as it represents the models fairly well. For example I want to get a thunderfire cannon but for $70 I cannot justify that price but if I buy an alternative I would need it to look similar so it matches the army fairly well.

"Depends."

As many have said, the main problem is when the conversion doesn't match up properly size wise, or doesn't fit 40k Fluff in a cool way.

That being said, if the model makes sense, matches the size, and is cool, then it's usually okay.

My wargaming "career" predates the idea of dedicated models, run what ya brung. As long as it is painted ;->

 Pouncey wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:
You know the best part? At 200 for $4 NZD (the price of a single Ork), the base is gonna cost me more than the model. Even after you take out the binoculars guys and other rubbish they cost like 2 cents each

Use a binoculars guy as a Master of Ordnance! : D

If they're actually useful, that is... : /

Any way to put ten MoO in a list... I have too many bloody binoculars guys

One's your MoO, one's the TC sticking out the top of your LRBT, one's the spotter for your back-field Basilisk...

 Dakkamite wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:
You know the best part? At 200 for $4 NZD (the price of a single Ork), the base is gonna cost me more than the model. Even after you take out the binoculars guys and other rubbish they cost like 2 cents each

Use a binoculars guy as a Master of Ordnance! : D

If they're actually useful, that is... : /

Any way to put ten MoO in a list... I have too many bloody binoculars guys

Apocalypse?

Or what the nice person above me said. : D

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Voted depends even though probably 70-80% of my IG army is 3rd party.

I'm always cool with 3rd party models, but it better be close to what it's supposed to represent, and make sense in the game.

For example, using napoleonic infantry for guardsmen is cool and all, but you better go through the effort to convert them in some way to make them fit in better with the setting. Just plopping down guys with muskets and making 0 effort to make them look like an IG army wouldn't fly with me.

But giving them all lasguns, putting auto-cannons on cannon limbers and moding out mounted commanders as Commissars would be epic.

 40k Pirate wrote:
You should have included an "is there any other way to play" option! My username says it all really.....

The best part about paper proxies is you can afford to burn and maim them as the game goes on and make cool battlefield casualties. Cinematic-tism!

To me creative modeling is the entire point of 40K. If you want every model to look the same, why not buy pre-painted clix minis, or play the Pokemans? The army is yours, and you should not only pick the color and composition, but the theme.

Since there are units in codeci without models, and most models lack sane prices it's really no question for me. Equipment and scale need to be WYSIWYG of course, but if someone's going to mewl about my dakkajet being based on a WWII fighter frame rather than a GW model I'm not going to enjoy playing them anyway.

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Voted depends even though probably 70-80% of my IG army is 3rd party.

I'm always cool with 3rd party models, but it better be close to what it's supposed to represent, and make sense in the game.

For example, using napoleonic infantry for guardsmen is cool and all, but you better go through the effort to convert them in some way to make them fit in better with the setting. Just plopping down guys with muskets and making 0 effort to make them look like an IG army wouldn't fly with me.

But giving them all lasguns, putting auto-cannons on cannon limbers and moding out mounted commanders as Commissars would be epic.

Exactly.

Use that massive amount you saved by using the historical minis to come up with cool ideas to make it fit. You saved a 150 bucks buying those line infantry, so use the extra cash to buy cool sci fi bitz and bobz, unique characters, cool special weapons, etc.

I've got a friend who's making a Wehrmacht Imperial Guard army in much the same way.

For example, all his Vendettas are going to be Stukas with the cannon loadout, except the regular cannons are replaced with lascannons.

Little things like that take your army from "These guys are humans, close enough," to "wow that's a cool guard army, even if it's really obviously inspired by a real world military."

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Voted depends even though probably 70-80% of my IG army is 3rd party.

I'm always cool with 3rd party models, but it better be close to what it's supposed to represent, and make sense in the game.

For example, using napoleonic infantry for guardsmen is cool and all, but you better go through the effort to convert them in some way to make them fit in better with the setting. Just plopping down guys with muskets and making 0 effort to make them look like an IG army wouldn't fly with me.

But giving them all lasguns, putting auto-cannons on cannon limbers and moding out mounted commanders as Commissars would be epic.

Exactly.

Use that massive amount you saved by using the historical minis to come up with cool ideas to make it fit. You saved a 150 bucks buying those line infantry, so use the extra cash to buy cool sci fi bitz and bobz, unique characters, cool special weapons, etc.

I've got a friend who's making a Wehrmacht Imperial Guard army in much the same way.

For example, all his Vendettas are going to be Stukas with the cannon loadout, except the regular cannons are replaced with lascannons.

Little things like that take your army from "These guys are humans, close enough," to "wow that's a cool guard army, even if it's really obviously inspired by a real world military."

Ironically it costs more in time but you save on money

I saw a guard army made up to look like modern Spetsnaz that looked really epic, with custom made body armour and lasguns and third party heads.

And anything that comes from Victoria Miniatures is sweet in the best way imaginable...

 40k Pirate wrote:
You should have included an "is there any other way to play" option! My username says it all really.....

Your username says nothing, really.

It's about using 3rd party models, which isn't pirating anything. Your username would have had some bearing if the thread was about recasting your own models and downloading codices.