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Title says it all.

I personally think the Medusa is very good and has its 2 different types of ammunition.

What do you guys think?

Well, you can only use one type of ammunition in a single game. You can't switch back and forth like, say, a missile launcher.

That said, yeah, medusas. Colossuses aren't too bad, though, as at some point there are going to be infantry on objectives.

I've always loved the Basilisk, but I'm a sucker for their classic "shove the biggest howitzer you can find onto a tank and drive it to the front-lines" look and feel. You can pound large groups of marines into paste with a solid hit (their high strength and AP means all marines get Instant Death and no save without an invul, so it can really hit hard if you get a good shot in)

Medusas have always scared me when they do show up though, so there's that.

Standard Russ.

instant death marines, and on a AV14/13/10 chassis.

Technically a tank true, but it is still classed as ordonance

Haven't tried the Medusa or Colossus yet but the Gryphon has been doing me pretty well.

I guess there isn't as much MEQ in my local, but there is a buttload of ADLs out there, and a pair of Gryphons puts a damper on people cramming units behind it for protection from my direct fire weaponry.

2 S6 pie plates landing with high accuracy is golden.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Standard Russ.

instant death marines, and on a AV14/13/10 chassis.

Technically a tank true, but it is still classed as ordonance

An Ordnance Battery is one of the choices in the Heavy Support section, separate from the Leman Russ Squadron.

(Like where you can take different variants of Russ tanks, in an Ordnance Battery they give you options for the artillery)

And even if it were, it would still be worse. Take the rather mediocre abilities of the basilisk, and then give it -1 S and lose the barrage rule. The end result is very underwhelming.

Medusa.. Just... It's better than a Vindicator, and that makes me happy :')

I had great success recently with 3 Colossi. Now that the min range has been changed they are viable. There wasn't anywhere a troop outside of a metal box could hide. I plopped them behind an aegis and blasted away. It's very rare to have MEQs out in the open, so there seems to always be a cover save against the LR battlecannon. If only you could indirect fire outside of 36 inches in nightfighting mode without having to illuminate the unit with a searchlight. Makes no sense to me why you can't indirect fire past 36 inches in nightfighting if you can otherwise fire across the board out of LOS in regular mode.

Collossus. Kills troops dead! (Str 6, ap3, ignores cover)

 Cursed Dice wrote:
I had great success recently with 3 Colossi. Now that the min range has been changed they are viable. There wasn't anywhere a troop outside of a metal box could hide. I plopped them behind an aegis and blasted away. It's very rare to have MEQs out in the open, so there seems to always be a cover save against the LR battlecannon. If only you could indirect fire outside of 36 inches in nightfighting mode without having to illuminate the unit with a searchlight. Makes no sense to me why you can't indirect fire past 36 inches in nightfighting if you can otherwise fire across the board out of LOS in regular mode.

I always figured that firing out of LoS just meant they were using coordinates voxed to them from recon or a overhead view. But since they can't see the target, it's more guessing and less accurate.

At night, what are the odds that recon can see a target to relay back to the artillery battery to fire upon? That's just firing blind hoping an army is over there, and the Guard does look poorly on wasted ammunition.

Yeah, there are flimsy arguments that could go either way on that one.

As a personal preference, I think they should still let you fire outside of 36", but if you do you have to reroll hits on the scatter die, and roll 4D6 when you miss...

I've always felt all the ordnance platforms have a good use. I've never looked at any of them and thought "gee that one sucks, I'll never take it."

The "worst" would be the basilisk in my opinion, but even it's pretty good. There's no "eradicator" option, like you would see with the Leman Russ options.

In all honesty, the best ordnance platform is the one that benefits your list, and makes sense against who you're fighting. For example, Griffons are pretty friggin amazing if your area has few marine players, while colossi will destroy an MEQ dominated one. Medusas make awesome support for armored fist and leafblower lists, and the basilisk is good when you just hate everyone equally and want to blow gak up.

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The eradicator option is the colossus, I'd think.

Best Ordnance Battery? I'd honestly say that Ork Grot Bomms give anything the Imperial Guard have a run for its money.

For 105 points and a Fast Attack slot, you can have three one shot, S8, AP3 large blast barrages that can re-roll the to-hit dice. Amazing for an alpha strike against certain other, overpowered artillery *cough* Manticore *cough*, or for putting a cheap pie plate in your list to force the enermy to spread his forces thin.

The best part though, is that your left with three completely expendible little fast vehicles for blocking movement, giving cover, or hell, seizing an objective on certain missions.

 Ailaros wrote:
The eradicator option is the colossus, I'd think.

The "eradicator option" is the one that is unplayable garbage, like the LR Eradicator, not the one that ignores cover.

Well, that would only make sense if the eradicator was unplayable garbage, which it isn't.

Plus, the worst russ is the LRBT, not the eradicator, so if that's what he meant, then he should have said "there's no artillery piece that is unplayable garbage like the LRBT" rather than "there's no artillery piece like the eradicator".

Of course, I don't know how much I'd even agree with that sentiment, as, even at 75 points, the griffon is largely a waste, what with such a narrow band of things it's even decent against, and such a large group of target types that can pretty much just pretend that it doesn't exist.

 Ailaros wrote:
Well, that would only make sense if the eradicator was unplayable garbage, which it isn't.

It really is. It has minimal firepower against the vast majority of target types, and even against the one thing it's good at killing (light infantry with boosted cover saves) the Hellhound and Colossus make it look like a sad joke.

Plus, the worst russ is the LRBT, not the eradicator, so if that's what he meant, then he should have said "there's no artillery piece that is unplayable garbage like the LRBT" rather than "there's no artillery piece like the eradicator".

The LRBT at least has a purpose, even if it's a narrow role. The LR Eradicator is never a viable option.

Of course, I don't know how much I'd even agree with that sentiment, as, even at 75 points, the griffon is largely a waste, what with such a narrow band of things it's even decent against, and such a large group of target types that can pretty much just pretend that it doesn't exist.

The Griffon only has a narrow range of targets if you pretend the re-roll on scatter doesn't exist. Once you remember that part you find that it kills light infantry very well and even kills MEQs decently (by sheer volume of wounds).

In my ABG list, I often take a second command LRBT with infernus shells. These are the same as an eradicator with +12" range and ordnance. If the eradicator was the worst russ, I wouldn't find myself using them over the standard rounds for almost every single shot. Ignore cover AP4 is really good against Tau, Daemons, Guard, Orks, Eldar and any marine scouts. The ability to get stuff out of multi level ruins is great too, as only the eradicator and hellhound can really manage it.

As for the best ordnance battery, basilisk is probably my choice. There is nothing that they are horrible against, unlike the other choices that have holes in their capabilities. Three basilisks also look the best by far.

I like basilisks. S9 Ordinance in 6th means it can damage most vehicles, and it'll pulverise MEQ in a laughably efficiant way. I'd like to try a Colossus though.

 Ailaros wrote:
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The eradicator option is the colossus, I'd think.

"Eradicator" in the sense that there's no ordnance option that's sub par and almost no one takes