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I played a game a night or two ago with someone I hadn't played before.

I was testing an idea with a unit of stealth suits, with a shas'vre with TL&markerlight and VRT and a fusion blaster.

My opponent complained that I was cheating, on the asks that I attempted to use my markerlight and fusion blaster at the same time. He told me "only XV8's and broadsides have two guns, so only XV8's and Broadsides may fire two guns!"

I pointed out that stealth suits specifically have blacksun filters, multi trackers (which provide a second shot) and stealth/shrouding.

The player was adamant that I was wrong, which is okay. Suffice to say I won't be playing him again. Anyone had a similar annoying opponent to share sympathies over?

This is where you whip out the codex and stick it in his face.

 King Pariah wrote:
This is where you whip out the codex and stick it in his face.

I did whip out my codex.

Maybe I should have shoved his nose in it. Eh.

 King Pariah wrote:
This is where you whip out the codex and stick it in his face.

This.

did you show him it in the book?

Most egrarious stupid person incident I remember is from when I was nine or ten years old. Third edition had just come out and one of the people at my school's warhammer club told me that the Crossfire rule meant that if you had a model either side of the target, it was automatically destroyed. I of course got rather upset at this, since he'd just (also illegally) zoomed a bike over behind my army, meaning that everything was between his models.

His answer to my demand to see the rule was to open it to the page, shove his finger at the heading, then close it again and refuse to actually let me read it. sigh. I was 9, I got very upset.

This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

Instead of saying your opponent was stupid and shoving a book in his face, why not understand where he is coming from and explain things to him.

Its a game, not a job.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

Instead of saying your opponent was stupid and shoving a book in his face, why not understand where he is coming from and explain things to him.

Its a game, not a job.

I did explain it to him. I showed him the entry that stated that stealth suits (all suits) have multi trackers, then I showed that multi trackers enabled me to fire two weapons. He then proceeded to become hostile about it and said (effectively) that he wouldn't play if he didn't get his way.

I referee basketball. I know that people don't necessarily want to believe you, sometimes just because it doesn't agree with what they think should be correct. It is hardly reasonable to simply disagree with written rules in this game.

How old is he, may I ask? If he's a kid, just let it go... Kids are...well, kids.

When I first started the game with my friends, many times they've called me a liar when I said my DE HQ has 2++, or I don't give a damn about their toughness, etc.. But that was because I have a history of lying, and that they just didn't know much about my army.

A Grey Knights player didn't like the fact that Runes of Warding were real, in fact, he even accused me of lying and went to the manager at the GW store saying I was cheating and demanded I should be kicked out. The manager laughed and I tabled him turn three.

Oh my god was a bloody idiot, I suppose that's what you get for thinking that Eldar were and auto lose for me.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

this. No need to brand someone an idiot just because they don't know your codex inside out.

Just beat him without the two weapons. He is obviously too stupid to win, anyway

The stupidest thing I've ever seen was a guy who plays 40k really casual (which is fine, it's what I do) but he didn't understand his codex that well. He was playing the old Necron book, and one of the c`tan special characters had a massive death explosion. He read in the warscythe equipment description that it was made out of c`tan necrodermus (or whatever the heck its called) and assumed that whenever a model with a warscythe died it made the same death explosion.

I called him on it and he pretty much admitted that he had no clue how it worked, but I thought it did. I provided a counterexample by destroying one of his pariahs and having his entire squad self destruct in a giant cloud of large blast templates

 dementedwombat wrote:
The stupidest thing I've ever seen was a guy who plays 40k really casual (which is fine, it's what I do) but he didn't understand his codex that well. He was playing the old Necron book, and one of the c`tan special characters had a massive death explosion. He read in the warscythe equipment description that it was made out of c`tan necrodermus (or whatever the heck its called) and assumed that whenever a model with a warscythe died it made the same death explosion.

I called him on it and he pretty much admitted that he had no clue how it worked, but I thought it did. I provided a counterexample by destroying one of his pariahs and having his entire squad self destruct in a giant cloud of large blast templates

Love it.

 dementedwombat wrote:
The stupidest thing I've ever seen was a guy who plays 40k really casual (which is fine, it's what I do) but he didn't understand his codex that well. He was playing the old Necron book, and one of the c`tan special characters had a massive death explosion. He read in the warscythe equipment description that it was made out of c`tan necrodermus (or whatever the heck its called) and assumed that whenever a model with a warscythe died it made the same death explosion.

I called him on it and he pretty much admitted that he had no clue how it worked, but I thought it did. I provided a counterexample by destroying one of his pariahs and having his entire squad self destruct in a giant cloud of large blast templates

That reminds me of the epic tale of two Necron players.

One claimed he could take the other players necrons out of combat via his Monolith. The other guy tried to explain that's not how it works.

The first guys says "It says ANY necron unit". So the following turn the second guy blocked his own monoliths with his own troops and teleport the first guys necrons through the portal.

Can't deploy... destroyed units. "See? It doesn't work that way".

I am starting to play at a newly formed gaming group and there are 2-3 different groups of 40K players there with there own gaming 'styles'.

There are allot of little rules being broken all the time, of which I point out 1 or 2 each game. I find that anything over 2 rules each game gets opponents angry, especially if they are loosing.

What does everyone think about people who only play marines? we have a guy who genuinely believes everything outside of a marine codex is cheese and hates Eldar especially because of it.

He's TFG. TFG comes in all stripes, brands and methods, but they are all TFG, and this guy is definitely TFG.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

Instead of saying your opponent was stupid and shoving a book in his face, why not understand where he is coming from and explain things to him.

Its a game, not a job.

BryllCream wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

this. No need to brand someone an idiot just because they don't know your codex inside out.

I disagree with both of you. He is labeling this person as ignorant because it sounded like he acted rude simply because he didn't like or understand the rules after it was shown to him. These are the rules of the game, if you are too ignorant or don't like them after they are comely explained then that is his fault and probably shouldn't be playing. Maybe try a more simple table top game. I am patient with new players and give people plenty of time to adapt to new rules, but if your going to throw a fit about I or be an asshat then ill find someone more intelligent an mature to game with.

 BryllCream wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
This is where you don't act like a donkey-cave because someone doesn't know your new codex. Did you ever take the time to think that you may have overwhelmed your opponent with your army's special rules? This is why playing a brand new codex is frustrating, a whole bunch of new rules.

this. No need to brand someone an idiot just because they don't know your codex inside out.

But like in the OP's case, it's perfectly alright to dismiss a mouth-breathing TFG who keeps on crying after being explicitly shown the rules in question.

This one time, when I was first starting to play WH40k in 3rd edition, I didn't have access to the main rulebook. Oh boy does that ever seem fun in retrospect. Admittedly, being 13 with a weekly allowance of two dollars and fifty cents and sometimes not even that... Yeah, I decided I'd rather buy miniatures than the main rulebook, even if it would take me upward of 3 months to be able to afford a single box of basic infantry.

So I ended up playing a guy's Ork army one time, and his Burna Boyz got into melee with some of my units. Toasted em up good with those things. Unfortunately, I assumed that ALL flamer weapons did that. I don't remember if I was playing IG or Space Marines or Eldar at the time - details are fuzzy - but, um, I started playing my flamers with that special thing Burnaz do in melee.

My problem is that I tend to assume a lot of things. Sometimes more than I should, but usually it works out fine. Sometimes it gets me in deep, deep sh- trouble, like when I confused the french word for "little girl" with the french word for, "woman." They're only one letter off, you know.

Some people will do anything to get out of losing. 40k has tons of rules, and I guess people like to take advantage of the fact. Or just simply be stubborn and act like a kid pointing his finger at his opponent, whining 'cheater' over and over again, even after you prove 'em wrong.

I haven't encountered these thpes of people, and I hope I don't (Though it's inevitable). I can't stand those people and I have almost zero patience for them.

This would be okay if your opponent didn't blatantly ignore the rules you showed him. If you can very clearly point out rules that your opponent disagrees with (or ignores altogether) then they are beyond your help.

Stupid? No. He realized he was losing and was in the wrong and afraid to admit it, and ending up being a complete **** in the process. That's just immaturity.

I'd like to know where the players at one of my two FLGS's got their copy of the rulebook, because some of the rules I've seen them pull out of their collective ass still surprises me. For example:

1. You don't roll for consolidate, it's always a flat 3" (I've shown him the actual rule 3 weeks in a row, he continues to tell people it's 3")
2. You only get the Aegis Defense Line's 4+ cover save if the model is within 2" of the wall, any further out and it's a standard 5+.
3. As long as more than half the unit is in cover, the entire unit gets a cover save (which is understandable, because that was how it worked in 5th edition)
4. If a vehicle is an assault vehicle, you can always get out of it no matter what speed it moved (NO idea where he got this one)
5. You don't get Deny the Witch rolls against witchfire, because the psyker is manifesting the power at himself and THEN shooting it at a target
6. Long Fang packs can't split fire even when the Pack Leader is alive, because they do not have the split fire special rule.
6a. Long Fang packs CAN split fire, but they have to roll a Leadership test as with Split Fire, because the Pack Leader gives them the Split Fire special rule (different person).

What really bothers me is that they keep thinking up new and crazy rules that have no bearing in reality and treat them as if they were actually in the game. And every week, I have to correct them. I mean, yeesh.

 DeffDred wrote:


That reminds me of the epic tale of two Necron players.

One claimed he could take the other players necrons out of combat via his Monolith. The other guy tried to explain that's not how it works.

The first guys says "It says ANY necron unit". So the following turn the second guy blocked his own monoliths with his own troops and teleport the first guys necrons through the portal.

Can't deploy... destroyed units. "See? It doesn't work that way".

that was a pretty funny story I had a bit of a chuckle

 Locclo wrote:
I'd like to know where the players at one of my two FLGS's got their copy of the rulebook, because some of the rules I've seen them pull out of their collective ass still surprises me. For example:

1. You don't roll for consolidate, it's always a flat 3" (I've shown him the actual rule 3 weeks in a row, he continues to tell people it's 3")
2. You only get the Aegis Defense Line's 4+ cover save if the model is within 2" of the wall, any further out and it's a standard 5+.
3. As long as more than half the unit is in cover, the entire unit gets a cover save (which is understandable, because that was how it worked in 5th edition)
4. If a vehicle is an assault vehicle, you can always get out of it no matter what speed it moved (NO idea where he got this one)
5. You don't get Deny the Witch rolls against witchfire, because the psyker is manifesting the power at himself and THEN shooting it at a target
6. Long Fang packs can't split fire even when the Pack Leader is alive, because they do not have the split fire special rule.
6a. Long Fang packs CAN split fire, but they have to roll a Leadership test as with Split Fire, because the Pack Leader gives them the Split Fire special rule (different person).

What really bothers me is that they keep thinking up new and crazy rules that have no bearing in reality and treat them as if they were actually in the game. And every week, I have to correct them. I mean, yeesh.

Pretty much all of those are 5th edition hangovers.

Heck, I got #3 wrong last night myself if what you're saying is right. I thought it was true unless you Focus Fired on the models outside cover?

#5 is blatantly wrong because it basically means DtW never happens, lol.

#6a is also understandable, since that's kind of the point of the USR system, even if it's not been properly implemented in the case of Long Fangs.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Locclo wrote:
I'd like to know where the players at one of my two FLGS's got their copy of the rulebook, because some of the rules I've seen them pull out of their collective ass still surprises me. For example:

1. You don't roll for consolidate, it's always a flat 3" (I've shown him the actual rule 3 weeks in a row, he continues to tell people it's 3")
2. You only get the Aegis Defense Line's 4+ cover save if the model is within 2" of the wall, any further out and it's a standard 5+.
3. As long as more than half the unit is in cover, the entire unit gets a cover save (which is understandable, because that was how it worked in 5th edition)
4. If a vehicle is an assault vehicle, you can always get out of it no matter what speed it moved (NO idea where he got this one)
5. You don't get Deny the Witch rolls against witchfire, because the psyker is manifesting the power at himself and THEN shooting it at a target
6. Long Fang packs can't split fire even when the Pack Leader is alive, because they do not have the split fire special rule.
6a. Long Fang packs CAN split fire, but they have to roll a Leadership test as with Split Fire, because the Pack Leader gives them the Split Fire special rule (different person).

What really bothers me is that they keep thinking up new and crazy rules that have no bearing in reality and treat them as if they were actually in the game. And every week, I have to correct them. I mean, yeesh.

Pretty much all of those are 5th edition hangovers.

Heck, I got #3 wrong last night myself if what you're saying is right. I thought it was true unless you Focus Fired on the models outside cover?

#5 is blatantly wrong because it basically means DtW never happens, lol.

#6a is also understandable, since that's kind of the point of the USR system, even if it's not been properly implemented in the case of Long Fangs.

On #3, I think it's just because Focus Fire makes a big point about risking shooting at the whole unit, and how cover is actually determined is said in one sentence. From page 18:

If, when you come to allocate a Wound, the target model's body (as defined on page 8) is at least 25% obscured from the point of view of at least one firer, Wounds allocated to that model receive a cover save.

Also, on page 91:

Area terrain is always difficult terrain. Models in area terrain receive a 5+ cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25% obscured.

This rule mixup I do understand, because it's a big change from 5th Edition where a valid tactic was to spread a unit out so that half was in cover, and the other half was not.

 Locclo wrote:

Area terrain is always difficult terrain. Models in area terrain receive a 5+ cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25% obscured.

This rule mixup I do understand, because it's a big change from 5th Edition where a valid tactic was to spread a unit out so that half was in cover, and the other half was not.

To be fair, it's a rather big change in 6th edition as a whole. A lot of stuff moved to model basis rather than unit basis, even to the point of being able to move every unit member bar the heavy weapon, and the heavy weapon counts as stationary.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Locclo wrote:

Area terrain is always difficult terrain. Models in area terrain receive a 5+ cover save, regardless of whether or not they are 25% obscured.

This rule mixup I do understand, because it's a big change from 5th Edition where a valid tactic was to spread a unit out so that half was in cover, and the other half was not.

To be fair, it's a rather big change in 6th edition as a whole. A lot of stuff moved to model basis rather than unit basis, even to the point of being able to move every unit member bar the heavy weapon, and the heavy weapon counts as stationary.

With good reason, mind.

I must admit I had a stupid moment a long while back. Friend of mine decided to join in with the 40k so he got 2 AoBR boxes. Totted up to 2k in points. So we had a match so he got a hang of the rules.

Shame I forgot the one very obvious rule of Warbikerz not being able to ascend floors in buildings... Because that won me the match - having a few Warbikerz drive up a ladder and take out a 5-man Combat squad.

Mad driving skills, obviously.

I keep forgetting I can't charge after rapid firing, many many years of Eldar with only assault weapons has ruined me.

We once had a 'customer', (I use that term loosely because the most they would buy would be a couple pots of paint), one time bring their crystal dildo into the local GW store because they thought it would be a hilarious joke to show off for the guys on staff...

Suffice to say, the mother who was standing a few feet away with her young son when this idiot did this was rather horrified.