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2013/05/29 23:02:55
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Watched it (and the first one quite some time ago).
She raises good points, but I think story-telling in video games is also at fault, not to mention how much of our interaction with the video game medium is 'violent' in general. It is unfortunate.
The video really shines a light on some of the gakky themes video game 'writers' fall into time and time again. I'm ready for better story-telling for sure.
BlueDagger wrote: While an interesting topic, she could have got her point across in a bit more simplistic language. 90% of the time it felt like she was using big words just to sound more official which for me detracted from the point.
She sounds professional to me.
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While an interesting topic, she could have got her point across in a bit more simplistic language. 90% of the time it felt like she was using big words just to sound more official which for me detracted from the point.
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2013/05/30 00:24:10
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
What "big words" are you talking about? I wasn't confused by what was being said.
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2013/05/30 00:42:04
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
On the contrary, this is not just a first world problem, this is a GLOBAL problem.
And it is far more harmful than you realize. People across the world viewing women as nothing more than objects to be acted upon motivates many people to do horrific things to us, and pointing out that the media is perpetuating the problem is the first step to reducing it.
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2013/05/30 01:06:19
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Melissia wrote: What "big words" are you talking about? I wasn't confused by what was being said.
I haven't watched any of the videos but people who aren't very familiar with terms used in sociology might have difficulty maybe? I'm not sure what language she uses if it's common or more professional.
2013/05/30 01:12:01
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Melissia wrote: What "big words" are you talking about? I wasn't confused by what was being said.
I haven't watched any of the videos but people who aren't very familiar with terms used in sociology might have difficulty maybe? I'm not sure what language she uses if it's common or more professional.
It's sort of TVTropes type language. "Damsel in Distress" and "Stuffed in the Fridge" come to mind. But both of those are fairly well known or easy to find on the internet, so I really don't know.
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2013/05/30 01:42:14
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Im not that far in and it seems like she is just stating the obvious, nothing to inciteful here. For example, Around the 6 min mark, she mentions the "Stuffed in the fridge" like that is exclusive to women. There are plenty other instances outside of gaming and withing where the death of a love one, whether it be your sibling or parent or all together(Maybe even a village) is destroyed and used as motivation. She even states how the fact that the women are weak is part of their disirablity in the example, Yet she used Kingdom Hearts as one of the clips, The REASON sora went after her is because of a pre-existing relationship.
Edit: She also showed prototype, where the evil guys executed a women for the "Violence against women" segment, saying it was linked to gender. Um, No it wasnt, those guys killed everyone who was infected, including children.
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2013/05/30 01:58:38
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
That's kind of missing the point; I think the focus of the second video was a demonstration the problems that she described in the first video were still going on in modern times, and her describing how they have evolved since then.
Thus, while any single example might be excused, the trend in general is very questionable.
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2013/05/30 02:00:25
Subject: Re:I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Melissia wrote: That's kind of missing the point; I think the focus of the second video was a demonstration the problems that she described in the first video were still going on in modern times, and her describing how they have evolved since then.
Thus, while any single example might be excused, the trend in general is very questionable.
It has always existed, To me it is like pointing to rocksand saying "These are rocks(No im not comparing women to rock, just making an example) And then she calls this Mysogyny at that is a day for her. She des not go into underlying problems or things along those line, Like why they keep using them, Maybe they keep using it beause men have been taught from a young age to protect females(Maybe it is encoded to our DNA at this point) so these video games are a natural extension of it. She gives no meaningful insight. also Yes you heard that right: His wife is his arm. Best unintentional joke in a long time
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2013/05/30 02:23:49
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
And yet, many people live in denial of it-- including numerous people on this very forum, based on previous feminist threads (including at least one poster in this very thread).
Imagine, to use your example, that certain people kept saying "rocks don't exist, you're exaggerating". Would you say that providing them pictures and descriptions of the existence of rocks is not a good rebuttal to these assertions?
Bringing a problem to light and making people more aware of it is the first step in solving it, especially for complex societal problems such as misogyny.
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2013/05/30 02:24:20
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Melissia wrote: That's kind of missing the point; I think the focus of the second video was a demonstration the problems that she described in the first video were still going on in modern times, and her describing how they have evolved since then.
Thus, while any single example might be excused, the trend in general is very questionable.
It has always existed, To me it is like pointing to rocksand saying "These are rocks(No im not comparing women to rock, just making an example)
And then she calls this Mysogyny at that is a day for her. She des not go into underlying problems or things along those line, Like why they keep using them, Maybe they keep using it beause men have been taught from a young age to protect females(Maybe it is encoded to our DNA at this point) so these video games are a natural extension of it.
She gives no meaningful insight.
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Yes you heard that right: His wife is his arm. Best unintentional joke in a long time
I don't know, but I always imagined that her first two videos would be about the tropes themselves, and then the third (Or whatever the final number would be) would be about the insight. I could be wrong.
And there are just way too many dirty jokes with the fact that his wife is his arm XD
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2013/05/30 02:24:59
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Slarg232 wrote: And there are just way too many dirty jokes with the fact that his wife is his arm XD
Yeah, her facepalm is pretty much my response, as well.
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2013/05/30 02:27:09
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
There is a difference between thinking everyone knows something and actually taking the time to actually document said thing. If we just assume something is obvious and never talk about it or document it, it either appears that we a) actually don't know about it and/or b) end up perpetuating the issues involved.
It prompts discussion and consideration instead of navel gazing and making assumptions about what is known. Sometimes stating the obvious can be fairly radical, and sometimes we actually also can learn that what was assumed to be obvious actually wasn't at all.
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2013/05/30 02:31:42
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
And yet, many people live in denial of it-- including numerous people on this very forum, based on previous feminist threads (including at least one poster in this very thread).
Imagine, to use your example, that certain people kept saying "rocks don't exist, you're exaggerating". Would you say that providing them pictures and descriptions of the existence of rocks is not a good rebuttal to these assertions?
Bringing a problem to light and making people more aware of it is the first step in solving it, especially for complex societal problems such as misogyny.
In my experience, Their denial is just that that, Denial, they will refuse to accept it because it doesnt conform to their view. Like those who deny Evolution despite the evidence.
You dont start off a class with nothing but examples, you explain it the way through, unlike what she is doing. By just pointing it out w/o insight into it doesn't help you think about it.
Using rocks again, It was like if a geology teacher listed of qualitys of rocks and type, but waited until the end of the class year to tell you how they are made,
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2013/05/30 02:35:09
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
None of that comes even close to a counter to her point.
hotsauceman1 wrote: In my experience, Their denial is just that that, Denial, they will refuse to accept it because it doesnt conform to their view.
And people in denial need to be brought out of it in order to change their behavior. I fail to see a point to your objections.
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2013/05/30 02:38:47
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Very few actually do admit to their denial, they continue on.
My objections isnt to showing examples or that, IT is how the video works, Nearly 25 minutes of just examples is not good educating.
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2013/05/30 02:46:38
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
Lara Croft
Ok, what about Alex?
Aqua
LuLu
Elaine Marley
Bayonetta
Zoey
Alyx Vance
Sarah Kerrigan
The same Kerrigan who was possessed and had to have some sense knocked into her?
Jill Valentine
Watch the video; Jill was "possessed" and Chris was forced to do violence on her "For her own good"
Samus Aran
Aran lost all respect from a lot of people due to Other M.
Chun Li
Could look at it either way; the video stated that Fighting Games are usually pretty good about it, but on the other hand, Chun has never won a tourney, either Ada Wong
And I could continue.
Please do
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2013/05/30 02:49:44
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
None of that comes even close to a counter to her point.
hotsauceman1 wrote: In my experience, Their denial is just that that, Denial, they will refuse to accept it because it doesnt conform to their view.
And people in denial need to be brought out of it in order to change their behavior. I fail to see a point to your objections.
Her point was that women are being brutally killed in Video games. And that they are being portrait in such away that they are "Damsels in Distress". That list of names are all female characters that Brutally murder men, Hell Sarah Carrigan pretty much commits genocide. And in the later expansion does it again in, because she thinks Her man is dead. Chun Li kicks everyone ass in street fighter all males I might add. So she can get to M.Bison and Kill him in order to avenge her dead father, who is male by the way.
And don't even get me started on the countless Male AI's I have had to watch Lara croft slaughter over the years. Alyx Vance? In HL2 EP1 she pretty much kills everything for one of gaming's best known characters Gordon Freeman. Ada Wong? a complete bad ass that doesn't mined helping release a few deadly viruses once in a wile too, oh wait for it, to avenge her dead husband.
There are just as many Kick ass female characters in gaming as there are men, and normally the women tend to have the most kills to there name as well, lets be honest the males in Video games are always seen as the protagonists, the bad guys. Hell maybe i should make a video stating how its a bad thing to always portray the man as the bad guys. And how the countless Killings of male Characters in Computer games is giving the "wrong" impression.
All she is doing is creating a problem that is not their, in order to generate Google add sense.
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2013/05/30 03:18:23
Subject: I'll take the hit; Damsel in Distress Pt 2.
None of that comes even close to a counter to her point.
hotsauceman1 wrote: In my experience, Their denial is just that that, Denial, they will refuse to accept it because it doesnt conform to their view.
And people in denial need to be brought out of it in order to change their behavior. I fail to see a point to your objections.
Her point was that women are being brutally killed in Video games. And that they are being portrait in such away that they are "Damsels in Distress". That list of names are all female characters that Brutally murder men, Hell Sarah Carrigan pretty much commits genocide. And in the later expansion does it again in, because she thinks Her man is dead. Chun Li kicks everyone ass in street fighter all males I might add. So she can get to M.Bison and Kill him in order to avenge her dead father, who is male by the way.
And don't even get me started on the countless Male AI's I have had to watch Lara croft slaughter over the years. Alyx Vance? In HL2 EP1 she pretty much kills everything for one of gaming's best known characters Gordon Freeman. Ada Wong? a complete bad ass that doesn't mined helping release a few deadly viruses once in a wile too, oh wait for it, to avenge her dead husband.
There are just as many Kick ass female characters in gaming as there are men, and normally the women tend to have the most kills to there name as well, lets be honest the males in Video games are always seen as the protagonists, the bad guys. Hell maybe i should make a video stating how its a bad thing to always portray the man as the bad guys. And how the countless Killings of male Characters in Computer games is giving the "wrong" impression.
All she is doing is creating a problem that is not their, in order to generate Google add sense.
How many of those are playable characters?
In the MAIN story section.
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