Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Manchu wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
You yourself just brought up Hillary Clinton. I have heard Republicans call her an ugly lesbian since 1991. (Some even said this about Chelsea.)

Exactly. I intentionally brought her up as its not a party thing. Stop it already. Its sexism.

Right but no one is saying Michelle Bachmann is an ugly lesbian. And no one is saying that her husband is a homosexual because ... he's a prominent male? So it seems like your theory is that Azazel is riffing off the notion that men married to prominent women must be "lesser," which itself entails a prejudice on your part about homosexuality. Near as I can tell, what Azazel was referring to is Mr. Bachmann's very stringent anti-gay position, which he claims indicates the man is closeted. That's a stereotype for sure but it has nothing to do with sexism.

So again, it seems like you are just trying to turn the tables without much of an appreciation for actual sexism.

Nope. I'm riffing that invariably critics of a female candidate will attack her not based on her credentials and ideas (some of which are uniquely interesting in this case) but related to sex, or imagery.

Again when was the last time a male candidate was attacked in this fashion?

The original comment was that Bachmann's husband coming out would damage her image, not because she is a woman but because she's seems to identify homosexuality as the opposite of healthy family values. Still not seeing the sexism.

This is delightful. I think Michele Bachmann is one of the worst legislators by nearly any way of measuring it you might choose to pick, and the whole country is better off with her gone.

Lets put aside the fact that she is willing to repeat anything she sees without an ounce of research (or, often, common sense, like the alleged $200 million a day trip to India where we were also moving 35% of the navy). She's been a congresswoman for what - almost 8 years? Not a single bill she's sponsored has been signed into law. Zero, no one. She obviously is more interested in seeing herself on the news instead of actually legislating, and now she has plenty of time to do it.

So far as her husband, I find the whole speculation regarding his sexuality distasteful and irrelevant*.

*but not sexist.

 Manchu wrote:
The original comment was that Bachmann's husband coming out would damage her image, not because she is a woman but because she's seems to identify homosexuality as the opposite of healthy family values. Still not seeing the sexism.

Again, the fact that this sort of speculation never occurs if the politician is a male is whats sexist.

 gorgon wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Yes.

Which is what makes the whole meme/slander especially funny.

Michele got her political start as a School Board Member. Even these elections matter people.

Okay, thought so.

She kinda makes me appreciate Dubya more. Sure, Dubya wasn't the brightest bulb and said dumb stuff all the time. But at least Dubya didn't say CRAZY dumb stuff all the time.

Just think how much she'll make on the lecture circuit though. That sh*t will be can't-miss viewing.

I Linda agree with you on Dubya. While he wasn't the best president ever, at least he seemed to want to do good. I'm not getting that vibe from any of the current major Republican personas.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
The original comment was that Bachmann's husband coming out would damage her image, not because she is a woman but because she's seems to identify homosexuality as the opposite of healthy family values. Still not seeing the sexism.

Again, the fact that this sort of speculation never occurs if the politician is a male is whats sexist.

Have we even had any male candidates whose wives went to "Pray Away the Gay" camps?

So far as her husband, I find the whole speculation regarding his sexuality distasteful and irrelevant*.

*but not sexist.

Agreed. Why is there an entire page on that subject and not poking fun at an idiot for being an idiot? I want to laugh people!

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
The original comment was that Bachmann's husband coming out would damage her image, not because she is a woman but because she's seems to identify homosexuality as the opposite of healthy family values. Still not seeing the sexism.

Again, the fact that this sort of speculation never occurs if the politician is a male is whats sexist.

Have we even had any male candidates whose wives went to "Pray Away the Gay" camps?

We've had senators who were former (maybe) grand dragons of the Klu Klux Klana and Presidents of verty questionable bent. Barney Franks boy toy was running a call boy service out of their apartment.

Don't talk about that much though.

She is going to join up with the remaining members of BTO and form Michelle Bachman Turner Overdrive.

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, the fact that this sort of speculation never occurs if the politician is a male is whats sexist.

You know, I've seen you make some divorced from reality statements in my time, but this one is just out there.

Do you remember when Anthony Weiner had his underpants scandal and all the buzz was that Huma Abedin was a lesbian? Or of course as Manchu pointed out, people have claimed Hillary Clinton was a closeted lesbian for nearly 25 years now. How do these not count?

I know that Michelle Bachmann is a Republican so you're obligated to come out swinging for the team, but you're really going to have to come up with something better.

David Duke was a State Representative, but never a US Senator or Representative. He did place 2nd for his Governor run, though. The incumbent governor (Buddy Roemer) came in 3rd, which shows what people thought of his party switch while still in office.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, the fact that this sort of speculation never occurs if the politician is a male is whats sexist.

You know, I've seen you make some divorced from reality statements in my time, but this one is just out there.

Do you remember when Anthony Weiner had his underpants scandal and all the buzz was that Huma Abedin was a lesbian? Or of course as Manchu pointed out, people have claimed Hillary Clinton was a closeted lesbian for nearly 25 years now. How do these not count?

I know that Michelle Bachmann is a Republican so you're obligated to come out swinging for the team, but you're really going to have to come up with something better.

Please take your partisan blinders off. I already mentioned it happens to wimminz, not just republican wimminz.

Anthony Wiener had pics. The other arguments are just innuendoes of attack.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 kronk wrote:
David Duke was a State Representative, but never a US Senator or Representative. He did place 2nd for his Governor run, though. The incumbent governor (Buddy Roemer) came in 3rd, which shows what people thought of his party switch while still in office.

Strom Thurmond.

I'd never heard that about Strom.

As a conservative, I'm glad to see her go. As many people have already pointed out, stupid people in congress is bad regardless of party affiliation.

Actually, I'm sure the Michelle Bachmann is intelligent in her own way. She certainly managed to win election and managed to be a contender (at least semi-seriously) for the Republican nomination. Maybe that's just political cunning.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
As a conservative, I'm glad to see her go. As many people have already pointed out, stupid people in congress is bad regardless of party affiliation.

Actually, I'm sure the Michelle Bachmann is intelligent in her own way. She certainly managed to win election and managed to be a contender (at least semi-seriously) for the Republican nomination. Maybe that's just political cunning.

She was just never seriously vetted on the national scale. Minnesota seems to elect the worst people possible to office. It's almost like a game to them. Once she started making the national spotlight, she became her own worst enemy.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 kronk wrote:
I'd never heard that about Strom.

It was actually Robert Byrd who was the "Exalted Cyclops". Strom Thurmond was a strong supporter of segregation.

 LordofHats wrote:
Agreed. Why is there an entire page on that subject and not poking fun at an idiot for being an idiot? I want to laugh people!

I think someone was tired of someone else making ridiculous statements that had little to no basis in reality in every thread he posts in. Or something, who knows?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Yeah...... sounds a little like a hatchet job on someone because of who he is married to, with some pseudo science thrown in for good measure.

No, it's just a joke based on the fairly common occurrence of anti-gay campaigners getting caught in gay shenanigans.

But please, continue to pretend this is some great witch-hunt against the all powerful Bachmann political legacy. You guys suddenly getting all precious about sex and gender issues in what can only be described as 'political correctness gone mad' is just too funny.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Frazzled wrote:
Exactly. I intentionally brought her up as its not a party thing. Stop it already. Its sexism.

When a person talks about basic policy issues like the economy, then yeah, whether their spouse is a bit feminine is irrelevant and not fit for comment, even for comedy.

But when a person makes anti-homosexuality a key issue, well then they got to talking about sex and private matters, and that certainly makes them and their husband fit for jokes about their possible closeted homosexuality.

IMO it only becomes an issue when

A.) The person in question runs for, or is elected to, public office, and
B.) Pushes, endorses, or votes for sexuality-driven legislation (like DOMA or whatever).

Until both of those are satisfied, I don't really care what you do with your junk or do to someone else's junk. It's between him and Michele.



But enough about her husband.


Let's talk more about Michele! Did you know she has a remarkable 25% "pants on fire" rating from Politifact?

My personal favorite:

"After the debate that we had last week, PolitiFact came out and said that everything I said was true."

Close second: When she demonstrated that she is a master of stealth.

I never got the idea that being extremely anti about something means their a closeted version of that, I would think generally if someone is extremely homophobic they legitimately hate gays and are not a closeted homosexual.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
Actually, I'm sure the Michelle Bachmann is intelligent in her own way. She certainly managed to win election and managed to be a contender (at least semi-seriously) for the Republican nomination. Maybe that's just political cunning.

She had a kind of political crazy that sold well for a while there, when people were freaking out about 'omg gay people want actual equality' and she rode that wave in to federal politics. But her crazy and basic inability to deliver politically didn't make her suited to the long term game, and it really . In the last election, despite Romney beating Obama by 15 points in her district, she won her own election by just 1 point.

Basically she was left with nothing more than a series of close run elections just to hold on to a very conservative seat, and whenever she did lose it her personal brand would shot. So instead she's getting out now, while her brand is still high among her fellow crazies, and she can use it to start making money on whatever.

Leaving politics is perhaps the first piece of political cunning she's shown.

Frazzled: you evidently do not understand what sexism is. Or else you think that I would bite my tongue if a male congressman campaigned on an anti-homosexual platform whilst being married to a reputed lesbian.

However, if you honestly believe the latter, then you really do not know me at all.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Frazzled: you evidently do not understand what sexism is. Or else you think that I would bite my tongue if a male congressman campaigned on an anti-homosexual platform whilst being married to a reputed lesbian.

However, if you honestly believe the latter, then you really do not know me at all.

Oh I know you. WienerSat I has you on full surveillance mode (when not distracted by those evil squirrels).
The Wiener Dogs are coming. Coming FOR YOU.

 sebster wrote:
No, it's just a joke based on the fairly common occurrence of anti-gay campaigners getting caught in gay shenanigans.

But please, continue to pretend this is some great witch-hunt against the all powerful Bachmann political legacy. You guys suddenly getting all precious about sex and gender issues in what can only be described as 'political correctness gone mad' is just too funny.

I for one am not pretending it is some "witch-hunt" against Michelle Bachmann, my post concerned her husband rather than her. I'm just not in favour of people taking cheap pot shots are the families of elected officials. So I would appreciate it if you would not mis-represent my intentions, and thinking that my statement is supposed to represent a wider spectrum than my own opinion, it's more than a little discourteous of you. Especially when I am pro-gay rights, and have made posts to the effect on Dakka (such as the DOMA thread)

But if you think that objecting playground type mocking of someone's sexuality because he appears mildly effeminate is " 'political correctness gone mad' " then you and I have a very different outlook on things.

And nothing of value is lost, I hope she ends up as a talking head on a small local station.

 djones520 wrote:

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
As a conservative, I'm glad to see her go. As many people have already pointed out, stupid people in congress is bad regardless of party affiliation.

Actually, I'm sure the Michelle Bachmann is intelligent in her own way. She certainly managed to win election and managed to be a contender (at least semi-seriously) for the Republican nomination. Maybe that's just political cunning.

She was just never seriously vetted on the national scale. Minnesota seems to elect the worst people possible to office. It's almost like a game to them. Once she started making the national spotlight, she became her own worst enemy.

Oh yeah! The Red Wings suck! Every place in the Union has their crazy legislators. It is more a product of Gerrymandering than anything else.

The 6th District that Michele is from is the most conservative in Minnesota and went 15% for Romney in the last Presidential election. She won her seat again by 1+% of the vote.

Her stepping out of the race is a benefit to the Republican Party as any old cardbaord Repblican Cut-out will do really well in the 6th. All the new candidate has to do is mouth the standard Republican talking points. I bet the Democratic challenger Jim Graves is fuming! His chances to win just dropped with Bachman out.

Many years from now, when historians look back and ask how the Chinese were able to dethrone America as the global superpower, two things will spring to mind:

1) America stopped reading the Great Gatsby

2) Michelle Bachmann!

Getting the least qualified person and propelling him to high office, was a trademark of the British Army in the 19th century (Wellington being the exception)

but how were people like Bachmann, Palin, Mitt Romney, Al Bore, John Kerry, and even BH Obama allowed to hijack a superpower?

And before anybody points out, the UK politicians are equally as bad.

They are all bad until you have a generational (25 year) perspective on things. Then you can start dividing the wheat from the chaffe.

 Easy E wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
As a conservative, I'm glad to see her go. As many people have already pointed out, stupid people in congress is bad regardless of party affiliation.

Actually, I'm sure the Michelle Bachmann is intelligent in her own way. She certainly managed to win election and managed to be a contender (at least semi-seriously) for the Republican nomination. Maybe that's just political cunning.

She was just never seriously vetted on the national scale. Minnesota seems to elect the worst people possible to office. It's almost like a game to them. Once she started making the national spotlight, she became her own worst enemy.

Oh yeah! The Red Wings suck! Every place in the Union has their crazy legislators. It is more a product of Gerrymandering than anything else.

The 6th District that Michele is from is the most conservative in Minnesota and went 15% for Romney in the last Presidential election. She won her seat again by 1+% of the vote.

Her stepping out of the race is a benefit to the Republican Party as any old cardbaord Repblican Cut-out will do really well in the 6th. All the new candidate has to do is mouth the standard Republican talking points. I bet the Democratic challenger Jim Graves is fuming! His chances to win just dropped with Bachman out.

They did a lot better then the Wild did.

Curse you!

I didn't see this coming.

http://www.bringmethenews.com/2013/05/31/jim-graves-pulls-out-of-house-campaign/

Jim Graves (The Democrat going against Bachmann) dropped out of the race too!

"She wasn’t representing the people of the 6th District appropriately, and now she won’t be representing them. There’s no way anyone could run and win who would be worse than Michele Bachmann. So we accomplished that task."

I have a bad feeling about this.

 Easy E wrote:
Curse you!

I didn't see this coming.

http://www.bringmethenews.com/2013/05/31/jim-graves-pulls-out-of-house-campaign/

Jim Graves (The Democrat going against Bachmann) dropped out of the race too!

"She wasn’t representing the people of the 6th District appropriately, and now she won’t be representing them. There’s no way anyone could run and win who would be worse than Michele Bachmann. So we accomplished that task."

I have a bad feeling about this.

It's like the ultimate challenge to the universe, second only to "Could this day get any worse?"