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As the title says, which HQs or characters do you think are the most beastly on the table?

Archon with Huskblade, Soul Trap and Shadowfield. 135 points or so, and pretty beastly i7 instant death weapon that can possiblt become str10 after killing an IC or MC or two.

Magister severin Loth; he gets a 2up save, that he can turn into a 2++ every turn by spending one of his psyker powers (of which he has three). WS 5 with a Force weapon. The dude is a bastard.

This again? We had two of these threads a week ago, with the same outcome.

The Swarmlord.

It always comes down to Swarmlord, Abaddon, Gazghkull, and Skarbrand.

There can only be one answer: company command Leman Russ Vanquisher with beast hunter shells (instant death). Swarmlords are much less terrifying when you can one-shot them from 72" away.

That's why we roll Iron Arm if at all possible for that lovely invulnerable save.

Potentially the hardest HQ to kill will be a pimped out GUO.

Iron Arm, Eternal Blade, and has Endurance and/or Warp speed casted on him by other psykers.

He's going to be fluff defyingly fast for a great big fat blob of pestilence with an initiative better than many Eldar and a boatload of attacks, potentially have T10, and hit hard enough to crack open land raiders.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is how you represent Ulkair on the table top (least enjoyable boss in DOW2, at least Kyras was unique).

 Kain wrote:
That's why we roll Iron Arm if at all possible for that lovely invulnerable save.

Better hope you go first, because you probably aren't getting a second chance to cast it. And then of course the Vanquisher still has a lot of shots wounding on a 2+ and ignoring your armor save, with a lot of distance to cross before you can do anything to it.

 Peregrine wrote:
There can only be one answer: company command Leman Russ Vanquisher with beast hunter shells (instant death). Swarmlords are much less terrifying when you can one-shot them from 72" away.

And they're much more scary when they make the 85% chance to get Eternal Warrior.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kain wrote:
That's why we roll Iron Arm if at all possible for that lovely invulnerable save.

Better hope you go first, because you probably aren't getting a second chance to cast it. And then of course the Vanquisher still has a lot of shots wounding on a 2+ and ignoring your armor save, with a lot of distance to cross before you can do anything to it.

No Tyranid player worth his salt can't find some way to give his big bugs a cover save with lots and lots of bodies, and with a potential for T9 your chances go down to 4 or even 5+. We even have a unit whose entire purpose is to be nothing but a meatshield for our HQs.

But yeah, pimped out GUO, not very fun to be up against because it does not know the meaning of the words "die, stay down, or take this god damn wound already!"

 -Loki- wrote:
And they're much more scary when they make the 85% chance to get Eternal Warrior.

If you survive to cast it.


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 Kain wrote:
No Tyranid player worth his salt can't find some way to give his big bugs a cover save with lots and lots of bodies. We even have a unit whose entire purpose is to be nothing but a meatshield for our HQs.

I thought the general idea with these threads is a 1v1 HQ arena, not counting all the other support units?

My tieup is between dor- I mean Lysander and the humble Tau commander.

Dorn is obviously a tank and a half. He can take a savage beating and still come out on top (and he does, both in fluff and on the table.)

The commander isn't's so obvious. Consider this build:

Commander and 2 gun drones (or shield drones if you prefer)
2 plasma guns, stimulant injector and shield generator
NSJ, xv8-02 and PEC.

This guy gets within 12" of you, he'll knock out 3 MEQ on his own. More with ML support. He then gives you Get's hot!, killing another marine or so. You fire plasma at him? No problem, he passes it off to a drone. Anything AP3 or less? He gets a 2+5++ against. Suffice to say, he's not going down to mere missiles. he effectively has a 3++, with a 4++5+ save. Against anything not STR10, but you have drones to take STR10 hits for him, don't'cha?

Put him in a squad of XV8's and watch nothing kill them.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kain wrote:
That's why we roll Iron Arm if at all possible for that lovely invulnerable save.

Better hope you go first, because you probably aren't getting a second chance to cast it.

If only the game had something that allowed you to block line of sight. Te... Terr... Nah, it doesn't exist.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kain wrote:
That's why we roll Iron Arm if at all possible for that lovely invulnerable save.

Better hope you go first, because you probably aren't getting a second chance to cast it.

If only the game had something that allowed you to block line of sight. Te... Terr... Nah, it doesn't exist.

You're a madman!

Wasnt Abby in melle one of the nastiest it not The nastiest?

Farsight.

He's a melee tau, and actually freaking good at it, you can't get much freakier.

In theory: Old Zogwart

In reality:... not Old Zogwart

Necron Overlord with MSS, warscythe, that 2+ Sv and res orb.

I would have liked to say a character from an army I played but in all honesty on the table, this guy makes Abbadon and swarmy bend over and squeal like piggies.

If your allowed dedicated transports then give him a CCB, just so he can get to his destination to make his targets squeal faster.

Humble jugger, axe of blind fury and gift of chaos lord. Small chance of gettinga 2+ save, has a 4+ inv which isnt awful, T5 and 4W is poretty good, and up to 13 S6 AP2 close combat attacks.

Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - If it's accurate, Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

PredaKhaine wrote:
Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - If it's accurate, Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

Sounds like what he needs is a big payload of carpet bombing. : D

 Pouncey wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - If it's accurate, Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

Sounds like what he needs is a big payload of carpet bombing. : D

Not only that, a twin-linked avengr shuriken cannon, BS7, 4A, gets D3 Warlord traits instead of just one (and there are very good one-use only traits) and that sword that's uniwieldy? It's a Master-crafted one, so re-rolls ... and yep, has a chance of instant death, Soulrazer rule. Either the enemy model makes a Ld check FOR EACH WOUND or it's removed from play.

Beastly...

If he rolls a 4 on fhose eldar warlord traits, he re rolls 1's on his 2+ armour saves... again if it's all accurate

PredaKhaine wrote:
Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - If it's accurate, Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

I don't remember and am at home to check...but does Asurmen get Disarm?

PredaKhaine wrote:
Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - If it's accurate, Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

not enough attacks. Abby (or other beast) will rape him.

 Exergy wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
Anyone looked at the eldar dex stuff? - Asurmen gets Eternal warrior, a 2+, a 4++, a 3++ if he needs it (but unable to attack while using it), A WS7 and st5 ap2 Not unwieldy sword with a chance of instant death and initiative 7.

Thats respectable.

not enough attacks. Abby (or other beast) will rape him.

Yeah - thats why I said respectable - not world shattering
As long as he's not fighting an eternal warrior, he has a chance of a fluke kill.

The Phoenix Lords (although re-jigged) occupy the same role as in the last 'dex - honourable mentions (for not being total gak) but they aren't going to break into anyones top 5, due to the lack of invulnerables on most of them.

You got Asurmen wrong. He doesn't cause Instant Death with the Diresword. It is instead, a leadership test or be removed from the game. It is in a codex with Instant Death stuff and it does not say Instant Death. So in effect, he doesn't care if you are an Eternal Warrior or not, you will still be removed from the game if he causes an unsaved wound and the wounded model fails a subsequent leadership test.

That is more than respectable.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
Wasnt Abby in melle one of the nastiest it not The nastiest?

He's nasty, but he still isn't on the level of the Swarmlord and a Necron Lord with MSS, 3++, and Warscythe. If anything, he's around 3rd or 4th along with Calgar, Vect, etc...