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Edit: The nurse mini is one of the options open to anyone at cost, isn't she?

For some reason I thought she was a freebie for Captain and above, which is more than I'm willing to spend ($350 + shipping).

I have been posting these links to the blog so that people can see what the Raging Heroes figures look like, but the amount of traffic here buries them quite rapidly!

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-raging-heroes-kickstarter-begins.html

Also, here is a post that shows a typical 5- mini box set:

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2012/10/calming-my-finecast-rage-raging-heroes.html

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters players are like "Woohoo!".

I don't know about that. I'm a pretty hardcore sisters player and I haven't felt the need to pledge yet.

 pretre wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters players are like "Woohoo!".

I don't know about that. I'm a pretty hardcore sisters player and I haven't felt the need to pledge yet.

I guess you're both wrong then!

Or, unfortunately, the opposite. I already signed on at a fairly high level, with the goal of getting the jailbirds, based on models I've already seen. In order to get all the characters for just one of the armies, you're looking at $130-160 worth of characters, so that's a Major box or better, which is roughly a $500 pledge, minimum.


My expectation was that, in spite of the underplanned launch, that those models would get unlocked. At the moment, only roughly half are unlocked for any of the three armies. There's 23 blacked-out character models to go, and at the current $20k/model, that means the kickstarter needs to add an additional $460,000 to get them all unlocked. That doesn't even count the blacked-out troops and support options.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that with the hype surrounding the launch, I don't see that happening. Rather, I'd expect to see other people drop out when it becomes obvious that their faction isn't going to have the characters they want. I'm not dropping $500+ to get a faction with only five unlocked character models - which is where it's at currently. Maybe I'm wrong - and I have a month to wait and see. But I'm not encouraged at the moment.

 pretre wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters players are like "Woohoo!".

I don't know about that. I'm a pretty hardcore sisters player and I haven't felt the need to pledge yet.

I agree totally. If I were a sister's player, I'd be pretty inclined to wait for the next one as well - I don't think these quite match the aesthetic. The Iron Empire stuff looks like it slots a lot better into a DKoK theme than a Sisters one.

For those who may not have seen this post, here is a size comparison:

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/04/asharahs-full-retinue.html

Alpharius wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters players are like "Woohoo!".

I don't know about that. I'm a pretty hardcore sisters player and I haven't felt the need to pledge yet.

I guess you're both wrong then!

I'm always wrong though, so that's no accomplishment.

Ouze wrote:I agree totally. If I were a sister's player, I'd be pretty inclined to wait for the next one as well - I don't think these quite match the aesthetic. The Iron Empire stuff looks like it slots a lot better into a DKoK theme than a Sisters one.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to watch this one for anything that looks good, but so far no bites from me. It doesn't help that I have way too many sisters as it is.

Guys, the 24 hours mark has just been hit. Maybe it's a little bit early to throw this KS out of the window saying it's crap and un-pledge, isn't it?
I'm as doubtful about it as most of you are, and I would like to see more things unlock and more free mini with my pledge, but I think you can give them some time to do their math and produce a proper update.

 Redbeard wrote:
My expectation was that, in spite of the underplanned launch, that those models would get unlocked. At the moment, only roughly half are unlocked for any of the three armies. There's 23 blacked-out character models to go, and at the current $20k/model, that means the kickstarter needs to add an additional $460,000 to get them all unlocked. That doesn't even count the blacked-out troops and support options.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that with the hype surrounding the launch, I don't see that happening. Rather, I'd expect to see other people drop out when it becomes obvious that their faction isn't going to have the characters they want. I'm not dropping $500+ to get a faction with only five unlocked character models - which is where it's at currently. Maybe I'm wrong - and I have a month to wait and see. But I'm not encouraged at the moment.

There's still a month left on this kickstarter. If they'd have unveiled / unlocked all their prepared miniatures by now what else would we be waiting and get excited for in the coming weeks? If it's taking too long between stretch goals they can adjust their spacing according to the incoming pledge rate (i am new to KS so maybe that is not how it's done). Either way i believe we will get all (most of) their prepared stuff by the end.

 Minx wrote:

There's still a month left on this kickstarter. If they'd have unveiled / unlocked all their prepared miniatures by now what else would we be waiting and get excited for in the coming weeks?

Ordinarily, I might agree with you. But this one has been in preparation for so long, a lot of us have been waiting and excited for the last three months, and I think that explains how they hit 100% of the goal in five seconds, and 1000% of the goal in an hour.

Because they didn't have all these stretch goals set up beforehand, I'm worried that they're adding them later at greater intervals than is reasonable, because they've already passed a lot of money. But they've also probably burned out those three months of expectation and excitement that had already built. It's nice to think that there's more excitement to be had in the next four weeks of waiting, but I'm not feeling that. I think the excitement of waiting is now past, and that most of the people who had three months to get excited about this are already bought in. There may be a gradual trickle of more funds over the next month, but I don't think it possible that they maintain the initial momentum, and that the intervals in the remaining unlockings are too far apart to believe that we'll hit them. I hope I'm wrong.

Not if you 'do the math' using the new figures.

Though there's no doubt that will change.

Also, we could be 'waiting and excited for' plastic miniatures - a hinted at potential destination.

Maybe.

 Ouze wrote:
I don't think these quite match the aesthetic. The Iron Empire stuff looks like it slots a lot better into a DKoK theme than a Sisters one.

Or you could run them as allies to a DKoK army.

 Alpharius wrote:
Not if you 'do the math' using the new figures.

Though there's no doubt that will change.

Since we don't know and cannot deduce the underlying model we cannot "do the math". It doesn't need to be linear, differentiable or even continous.

 Minx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Not if you 'do the math' using the new figures.

Though there's no doubt that will change.

Since we don't know and cannot deduce the underlying model we cannot "do the math". It doesn't need to be linear, differentiable or even continous.

I disagree - don't make me summon buzzsaw to do one of his awesome analysis posts of this thing!

Also, some of the "Raging Heralds" are really not presenting themselves well in the KS comments sections - it is starting to become a poor reflection on the parent company...

As painter for Raging Heroes, my Herald duties are much more clearly defined

For me, it is all about telling folks how easy these figures are to work with. When you paint as many armies as I do, you waste many precious hours of your life dealing with things like mould lines in nasty places, figures that don't fit together, and so on.

If all the figures I had to paint were like these, I would have many of those hours back... for things like sleeping. As you know, I am doing an entire IG/Sisters army of RH figures. I already know that the prep time for those minis will be a fraction of what most companies would inflict upon me.

Here is one fun example of a potentially nightmarish assembly that was done in a few minutes. At the kitchen table, visiting with my wife's parent's who were in town that week.

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/05/now-this-is-really-cool.html

As for other Heralds (who are typing post after post), the chances for a mishap of some kind rise significantly to make someone upset with that much interaction...

 Alpharius wrote:
I disagree - don't make me summon buzzsaw to do one of his awesome analysis posts of this thing!

As long as there are no kickstarter rules regarding the spacing of stretch goals even buzzsaw won't be able to predict the future. There is no necessary dependence on old data, i.e. they can choose any interval they feel like.

On Topic:
Although I was mainly interested in the jailbirds the kurganovas, esp. the heavy troopers are growing on me:

Will be interesting to see their 3d renderings. Or the renderings/sculpts of any of the troops for that matter.

Edit: [removed the cop out]

 Redbeard wrote:
Or, unfortunately, the opposite. I already signed on at a fairly high level, with the goal of getting the jailbirds, based on models I've already seen. In order to get all the characters for just one of the armies, you're looking at $130-160 worth of characters, so that's a Major box or better, which is roughly a $500 pledge, minimum.


My expectation was that, in spite of the underplanned launch, that those models would get unlocked. At the moment, only roughly half are unlocked for any of the three armies. There's 23 blacked-out character models to go, and at the current $20k/model, that means the kickstarter needs to add an additional $460,000 to get them all unlocked. That doesn't even count the blacked-out troops and support options.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my guess is that with the hype surrounding the launch, I don't see that happening. Rather, I'd expect to see other people drop out when it becomes obvious that their faction isn't going to have the characters they want. I'm not dropping $500+ to get a faction with only five unlocked character models - which is where it's at currently. Maybe I'm wrong - and I have a month to wait and see. But I'm not encouraged at the moment.

My suggestion is to stay positive. As you said, you have an entire month to see where this is going, and to adjust to the realities on the ground.

This is their first kickstarter. Mistakes will be made. They'll learn from it over the next month and roll with it. But, as of now, it's been 25 hours and 18 minutes since they launched. It's been an astounding success so far, and given the ambitious goals they've given themselves (launch 3 product lines of astounding quality), they're doing well. They've got my vote.

 Minx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I disagree - don't make me summon buzzsaw to do one of his awesome analysis posts of this thing!

As long as there are no kickstarter rules regarding the spacing of stretch goals even buzzsaw won't be able to predict the future. There is no necessary dependence on old data, i.e. they can choose any interval they feel like. Anyway this is getting off topic, sorry for that.
.

Now you're just being willfully obtuse and stifling discussion.

For my money, the "head in sand" approach isn't all that constructive

But yeah, those heavy troopers do look nice!

Yeah, the Kurganova heavies are pretty much the only ones that have made me wonder so far.

 Alpharius wrote:
Now you're just being willfully obtuse and stifling discussion.

You are right, that didn't sound the way i intended.

Edit:
I think we should allow them more time to settle on a way to handle their stretch goals and free upgrades/minis. The huge success of the last 25 hours has been quite overwhelming for them, even though i am still amazed at their low initial goal of $12k. Well made female miniatures are not that commonly found after all.

Agreed on all counts!

I do wish they'd be a bit more communicative though!

It was getting really heated in the comments section there a while back, and a couple of the heralds where not helping things either, but it seems they have a grip of things now.

Sadly sometimes in that position you have to bite your lip and stay neutral, otherwise it'll just snowball.

In all, its still looking good and climbing upward. Chatting to Aurelia earlier as well, and she now will be having all the Iron Empire figs along with some Krieg to make a chaos Guard force to ally to her Chaos Marines.

I briefly read the comments, and seen it was the same people who moaned on Dreadzone - wait to they start asking for a Brian Blessed model...

For me it's the lack of communication and organization combined with the feeling that they are massively inflating their stretch goals and no additional figs thru 310k.

I'm staying in at the Liuetenant level and will evaluate once it gets toward the end.

well... actually there were already some Brian blessing comments... thank goodness they did not go on for very long.
we really don't need that in this Kickstarter as well


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but: the stretch goals seem a bit stretched ;( end only a single real honest upgrade is quite weak and they could've probably get a lot more money if they had shown some updates.

 Hulksmash wrote:
For me it's the lack of communication and organization combined with the feeling that they are massively inflating their stretch goals and no additional figs thru 310k.

I'm staying in at the Liuetenant level and will evaluate once it gets toward the end.

Pretty much identical to my thoughts. If there's no real additions to this campaign, I think this has the potential to deflate. Right now, it feels like they're just opening things because they can, but that momentum won't keep up. Once things slow down, 20k to open a paid for model will totally stall the campaign.

My guess is Raging Heroes are gaking themselves with how quickly it funded and the fact that they could easily get $1 million out of this... they also probably have hit the point were they know it will be virtually impossible to get the models cast by their deadline... I guessing the lack of communication is they are too busy trying to work out what to do!

By the way, just got a message back from Raging Heroes - they will allow people to buy other models from their normal store and piggy-back on the shipping paid for the kickstarter.

 Minx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I disagree - don't make me summon buzzsaw to do one of his awesome analysis posts of this thing!

As long as there are no kickstarter rules regarding the spacing of stretch goals even buzzsaw won't be able to predict the future. There is no necessary dependence on old data, i.e. they can choose any interval they feel like.

In all seriousness, I am very interested in doing a post mortem on this campaign eventually, but as it is still in it's infancy, I'll hold of on any definitive statements.

That said, there is an important consideration that Loud'n Raging (I think I have their brickwall punk album...) needs to bare in mind: a volcanic start can be the result of any number of factors, but it is no guarantee of the continued strength of the campaign. Consider the available data in light of two relatively recent paradigms;

Raging Heroes - The Toughest Girls of the Galaxy;


Through the Breach: A Malifaux Roleplaying Game


Deadzone: The Sci-fi Miniatures Board Game


As one can see above, an initial spike of pledges has little bearing on the shape of the remaining campaign.

Some little things that (IMO) Raging Heroes needs to be cognizant of;
-"Stealth updates"; Kickstarter has an ideal system for both keeping the pledge base aware of new developments and providing an easy illustration of campaign momentum, the update. While some people can be irritated by many update emails from KS, it also is an easy way to build interest in others.
--How many new pledges for Deadzone were garnered by a friend forwarding the announcement of that "just perfect" new stretch goal? How many people were reassured by Mantic's ability to communicate (if there is one element of Mantic that is consistently praised, it is their appearance of openness and responsiveness)?

-"Value perception"; RH has constructed this campaign in a very restrictive fashion, with the bundles offering fairly scant value thus far above simply buying things piecemeal. It is also noteworthy that gaps between stretch goals seem largely arbitrary: consider the current sequence;


The initial post had stretch goals for individual figures spaced $4-5000 apart. Why does it now take $20-25-30-35,000 to tool a single new model? With campaigns such as Reaper's Bones this was easily understandable, as the higher the total number of Vampire pledges, the more figures they would be required to produce and include for no additional cost. But that is not the case here: with each unlock, figures are being tooled, but the responsibility to the backers does not increase.

That is, the moment the campaign opened a Commander pledge

This pledge received $50 worth of heroines, $90 worth of troops and $90 worth of support.

$280,000 later, that pledge is still worth exactly the same.

With that model, there seems to be no reason whatsoever for the stretch goals now to be spaced differently then they were initially.

It's also somewhat troubling that the "unlocked freebies" still remains an empty set...

But in any case, much still to see.